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Yale: Cheating their way to #1?

Re: Yale: Cheating their way to #1?

unhpuckfan2001 said:
I was sort of figuring, in the interest of giving Yale the benefit of the doubt, that perhaps Yale's and the Ive League's rules were some more stringent than NCAA regulations, and in turn, NCAA Compliance was implied. It would have been helpful if they had said it out-right, but that's my best guess . . .
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Generally speaking, Ivy compliance is more stringent than ECAC compliance, or at least it was 10 years ago when I had a much more intimate familiarity with it. Certainly it could have changed since then, but it seems unlikely that the Ivy League would have loosened eligibility standards. And keep in mind, too, that Yale has people within its athletic department whose sole job is to know NCAA compliance inside and out, and answer questions just like this. Doesn't mean they couldn't be wrong here, but saying they never checked with the NCAA implies that they just assumed Ivy rule was gospel, when in fact they may have felt very comfortable with it from an NCAA perspective but less so based on Ivy rules.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
So does Auburn.
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Pretty sure the NCAA took a good long look and sided with Auburn on this one. Their compliance guys are in line for a raise, and some gaudy NCAA-approved national championship rings.

But hey, 4 months from now, if Yale kicks a last-second field goal to win the Frozen Four, I don't think you'll hear much whining in New Haven.
 
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LTsatch said:
From the New haven Register website, I hope this puts this thing to bed.

YALE HOCKEY: School refutes eligibility questions about Cahill

Published: Monday, January 10, 2011


By Chip Malafronte, Register Staff
cmalafronte@nhregister.com

Beckett told the Register that Yale coach Keith Allain worked with the Ivy League and Yale’s NCAA compliance officers to ensure Cahill would retain his college eligibility.

Some players received living expenses necessary for participation on the team, which is permitted in NCAA bylaws. But Yale has written verification from team officials that no players drew a salary.
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The story refers to NCAA complaince officers and NCAA bylaws, not Yale or Ivy League. I would think the reference to college eligibility means more than Yale and Ivy League as well
 
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bigblue_dl said:
If you actually believe this...wow.
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I'm sorry, but that's a fact. Did he, or did he not, just play in the national championship game, after the NCAA took 2 months to investigate him? You can assume he did something wrong because ESPN tells you so, but if the NCAA (who I have little respect and no love for btw) says he can play, then he can play. You may not like it, you may think you have evidence the NCAA doesn't that proves his guilt, or you may just think the NCAA is corrupt and arbitrarily chose to ignore a violation this time. But they sided with Auburn and let the kid play.
 
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BigDEli said:
I'm sorry, but that's a fact. Did he, or did he not, just play in the national championship game, after the NCAA took 2 months to investigate him? You can assume he did something wrong because ESPN tells you so, but if the NCAA (who I have little respect and no love for btw) says he can play, then he can play. You may not like it, you may think you have evidence the NCAA doesn't that proves his guilt, or you may just think the NCAA is corrupt and arbitrarily chose to ignore a violation this time. But they sided with Auburn and let the kid play.
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Regardless of what the NCAA did, the fact is the kid's father solicited a bribe. Are you really naive enough to think the kid himself didn't know? Second Auburn would sell their soul for two wins vs alabama, so it's logical to conclude any wrongdoing was swept under the rug and as long as no one squeals everything will be fine.
 
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Yale's academic standards are considerably more rigorous than those of the NCAA, where a score of zero on an SAT exam is plenty good enough. Yale can probably handle the academic end. The real expertise and goal of the NCAA is to prevent money from corrupting college (amateur) athletics. It sounds incredible, but the NCAA is probably more experienced and expert at this than Yale or the other Ivies. Off the top it does not appear anyone made money, illicitly or otherwise, off the Cahill situation, and it did not threaten the status of amateur college hockey.
Preventing laissez-faire capitalism from overwhelming college athletics is the chief priority and justification for the NCAA. The methodology is straightforward: follow the money. There seems to be no money trail in the case of Cahill, but there are ten-lane highways of money leading in other directions to other college athletes. Who could blame the NCAA for dropping the Cahill "case" and pursuing higher priority cases?
 
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manurespreader said:
Regardless of what the NCAA did, the fact is the kid's father solicited a bribe. Are you really naive enough to think the kid himself didn't know? Second Auburn would sell their soul for two wins vs alabama, so it's logical to conclude any wrongdoing was swept under the rug and as long as no one squeals everything will be fine.
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It's not a question of naivete, at least not mine. At Auburn it was a question of Cam Newton's naivete, which we're all apparently very happy to speculate on but can never really know. And it's not even about Auburn, per se. bigblue_dl wanted to compare the compliance departments at Auburn and Yale, and maybe it was tongue and cheek, but it goes to the point that people love to jump to conclusions about the innocence and guilt of college athletes. Furthermore, it's not far in tone from the original hockeybuzz post, which was so lazy as to not warrant being called "journalism". So I felt compelled to point out that, in the end, Cam Newton was not found to have done anything wrong, and people who focus on him and Auburn and not the NCAA (and the systemic problems therein) will never sound like anything but bitter that someone else cheated better than they did.
 
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Cahill flunked out and was kicked out of school, Newton was not. Go figure.
I hold the letter from the Swedish coach with the highest regard. "uh, do you mind writing us a letter saying that none of your players were paid"?, Sure, no problem
 
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Cam Newton also thinks that everyone gets to sit courtside at a Suns game for free! :rolleyes:

less than a week before the Nat'l Championship game. He knows that the NCAA won't do anything to him and he flaunts it!
 
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Remind me again, Osorojo, what high priority case does the NCAA have on it's plate that caused them to ignore Cahill's appearance on Old French Whore? Once again, if you are going to try trolling, at least try to have an argument that makes even a small amount of sense.

Cam Newton was kicked out of school at Florida and had to go to a different school to continue his college career. Evidently Florida has higher standards than Yale.
 
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The NCAA standards are a two faced sham, it is all about the money they can generate for the larger (especially football and basketball) programs and it's own organization! Case in point, the ignoring of the Ohio State football situation "until next year" so not to ruin a bowl game, what a joke.
 
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Dirty said:
Cam Newton was kicked out of school at Florida and had to go to a different school to continue his college career. Evidently Florida has higher standards than Yale.
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There's a Matt Frattin joke here, somewhere, I just can't quite get to it...;)
 
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LTsatch said:
I don't think "I hope this puts this thing to bed" is analysis, it is wishful thinking on my part.
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It implies that there is something in your post that indicates proof of something one way or the other. Analysis may have been a poor word to use, but since there was no proof, your post and quote are essentially an opinion or ... analysis of events.

Regardless, semantics tends to be a deflection from the lack of factual evidence to back up your argument. As such, I believe we are done here.
 
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