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Yale: Cheating their way to #1?
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Re: Yale: Cheating their way to #1?
By default.
I have a question about this league. I assume all the teams are French? So how does a team win?
By default.
willythekid
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Re: Yale: Cheating their way to #1?
They allow one German team in... they are undefeated.
I have a question about this league. I assume all the teams are French? So how does a team win?
They allow one German team in... they are undefeated.
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Re: Yale: Cheating their way to #1?
If you take a year off school, you take a year off school. No redshirt or anything, a redshirt means you are in school, but don't use a year of eligibility. Ivy schools do not allow redshirting, so to take a year off athletically, you must also be out academically. And I believe he had to take a year off because of academic reasons.
If this is not a violation, I would be shocked. If it isn't, it opens a can of worms for the NCAA because other teams will start doing it. Harvard's Kyle Richter had to sit out a year for academic reasons. He was too old to go back to junior hockey, and you can argue that he isn't the same player now that he was before his year off. Had he known this was an option, he probably would have been on the first plane to France.
If you take a year off school, you take a year off school. No redshirt or anything, a redshirt means you are in school, but don't use a year of eligibility. Ivy schools do not allow redshirting, so to take a year off athletically, you must also be out academically. And I believe he had to take a year off because of academic reasons.
If this is not a violation, I would be shocked. If it isn't, it opens a can of worms for the NCAA because other teams will start doing it. Harvard's Kyle Richter had to sit out a year for academic reasons. He was too old to go back to junior hockey, and you can argue that he isn't the same player now that he was before his year off. Had he known this was an option, he probably would have been on the first plane to France.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Yale: Cheating their way to #1?
This has the feel of a story where some details are leaked to / discovered by a reporter, she makes a perfunctory follow-up and then rushes to publish a juicy story. There are no detailed quotes from or questions to the parties of interest, for example. And since Yale ostensibly knew exactly what Cahill was doing every step of the way, there was no reason for them not to pick up the phone and clear it with the NCAA. They had already talked to the Ivy League about it, so they weren't in any way trying to "cheat."
If Yale didn't get official clearance from the NCAA they were extremely foolish, given that the NCAA's interpretation and enforcement of its own rules has the consistency of a Magic Eight Ball. But everybody knows this, and there are people in every school's hockey and/or AD office whose job it is to check the ten thousand rules and make sure of compliance. My instinct is that as more details come out it will be found that Yale did a lot more due diligence.
It should be interesting to hear why playing in this league does not qualify as "playing against professionals," however. Maybe there is a rule about level of compensation. Or maybe the NCAA screwed up and made a bad ruling. If so, Yale certainly shouldn't be punished.
This has the feel of a story where some details are leaked to / discovered by a reporter, she makes a perfunctory follow-up and then rushes to publish a juicy story. There are no detailed quotes from or questions to the parties of interest, for example. And since Yale ostensibly knew exactly what Cahill was doing every step of the way, there was no reason for them not to pick up the phone and clear it with the NCAA. They had already talked to the Ivy League about it, so they weren't in any way trying to "cheat."
If Yale didn't get official clearance from the NCAA they were extremely foolish, given that the NCAA's interpretation and enforcement of its own rules has the consistency of a Magic Eight Ball. But everybody knows this, and there are people in every school's hockey and/or AD office whose job it is to check the ten thousand rules and make sure of compliance. My instinct is that as more details come out it will be found that Yale did a lot more due diligence.
It should be interesting to hear why playing in this league does not qualify as "playing against professionals," however. Maybe there is a rule about level of compensation. Or maybe the NCAA screwed up and made a bad ruling. If so, Yale certainly shouldn't be punished.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: Yale: Cheating their way to #1?
Skull & Bones!!!!!
Skull & Bones!!!!!
Dirty
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Re: Yale: Cheating their way to #1?
As evidenced by two players, Kane LaFranchise and David Eddy, from two separate teams, UAA and SCSU, being declared academically ineligible this year in the WCHA. I'm sure there are similar stories of players in HE and CCHA too. If you are going to try trolling at least try to have an argument that makes even a small amount of sense.
As evidenced by two players, Kane LaFranchise and David Eddy, from two separate teams, UAA and SCSU, being declared academically ineligible this year in the WCHA. I'm sure there are similar stories of players in HE and CCHA too. If you are going to try trolling at least try to have an argument that makes even a small amount of sense.
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Re: Yale: Cheating their way to #1?
From Chip Malafronte, New Haven Register:
"Yale plans to release a statement later this afternoon regarding a recent Internet report that questions the eligibility of senior forward Chris Cahill. The statement is intended to "defend the truth".
The report, released by the website "Hockeybuzz.com", implies that Cahill is ineligible because he played in a French league in which some players were paid. Cahill was not enrolled in school last year.
Yale athletic director Tom Beckett said hockey coach Keith Allain worked with the Ivy League and Yale's NCAA compliance officers to find a place where Cahill could play hockey and retain his NCAA eligibility. "It was all approved prior to Chris being involved with the team, it wasn't after the fact," Beckett said. "Chris's family was very concerned about doing what was right. This is a process that took months." Beckett said he has no concerns that the NCAA could launch an investigation. "The burden of proof, every standard, all of those issues have been met; the Ivy office signed off on it at the very beginning," Beckett said."
From Chip Malafronte, New Haven Register:
"Yale plans to release a statement later this afternoon regarding a recent Internet report that questions the eligibility of senior forward Chris Cahill. The statement is intended to "defend the truth".
The report, released by the website "Hockeybuzz.com", implies that Cahill is ineligible because he played in a French league in which some players were paid. Cahill was not enrolled in school last year.
Yale athletic director Tom Beckett said hockey coach Keith Allain worked with the Ivy League and Yale's NCAA compliance officers to find a place where Cahill could play hockey and retain his NCAA eligibility. "It was all approved prior to Chris being involved with the team, it wasn't after the fact," Beckett said. "Chris's family was very concerned about doing what was right. This is a process that took months." Beckett said he has no concerns that the NCAA could launch an investigation. "The burden of proof, every standard, all of those issues have been met; the Ivy office signed off on it at the very beginning," Beckett said."
Re: Yale: Cheating their way to #1?
Patrick Bateman commented today on Cahill's return to Yale (sorry, I couldn't resist....):
Patrick Bateman: He was into that whole Yale thing.
Donald Kimball: Yale thing?
Patrick Bateman: Yeah, Yale thing.
Donald Kimball: What whole Yale thing?
Patrick Bateman: Well, for one thing, I think he was probably a closet homosexual who did a lot of cocaine. That whole Yale thing.
Here's hoping that Yale did the right thing, I give them the benefit of the doubt and would bet that they did. Back to hockey.......
Patrick Bateman commented today on Cahill's return to Yale (sorry, I couldn't resist....):
Patrick Bateman: He was into that whole Yale thing.
Donald Kimball: Yale thing?
Patrick Bateman: Yeah, Yale thing.
Donald Kimball: What whole Yale thing?
Patrick Bateman: Well, for one thing, I think he was probably a closet homosexual who did a lot of cocaine. That whole Yale thing.
Here's hoping that Yale did the right thing, I give them the benefit of the doubt and would bet that they did. Back to hockey.......
Re: Yale: Cheating their way to #1?
So Allain helped Cahill find a place where he could "legally" play a high level of hockey when he was out of school!! That seems like a bit of a slippery slope.. good thing the Ivies are so highly ethical. Not like Union that recruits 30 year-old illegal aliens..
Re: Yale: Cheating their way to #1?
No he wouldn't. Ivy League players are actually there to go to school and get an education, not to play hockey.
No he wouldn't. Ivy League players are actually there to go to school and get an education, not to play hockey.
Runninwiththedogs
Tech Hot
Re: Yale: Cheating their way to #1?
The two sweetest words in the English language! DE-FAULT! DE-FAULT!
Dirty is on fire in this thread.
I did some digging on this league and it is never described as anything other than professional. I've been trying to find out salary information but I'm going to use google.fr for that.
By default.
The two sweetest words in the English language! DE-FAULT! DE-FAULT!
Dirty is on fire in this thread.
I did some digging on this league and it is never described as anything other than professional. I've been trying to find out salary information but I'm going to use google.fr for that.
Re: Yale: Cheating their way to #1?
Let me see if I understand your position. A player flunks out of school, but has the right to come back at a later point. He goes to the coach and says: "I've messed up, but I'd really like to come back to the team when I get my act together and return to school. Plus, I'd like to play hockey while I'm out but I want to make sure I don't mess up my eligibility." So your position is that the coach should say "I can't talk to you. Get out of my office."
Let me see if I understand your position. A player flunks out of school, but has the right to come back at a later point. He goes to the coach and says: "I've messed up, but I'd really like to come back to the team when I get my act together and return to school. Plus, I'd like to play hockey while I'm out but I want to make sure I don't mess up my eligibility." So your position is that the coach should say "I can't talk to you. Get out of my office."
willythekid
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Re: Yale: Cheating their way to #1?
I could be incorrect but I believe the poster you are quoting has more of a problem with Allain finding a loophole in NCAAs rule about playing with professionals than with him helping out a kid find ice time with another team.
I could be incorrect but I believe the poster you are quoting has more of a problem with Allain finding a loophole in NCAAs rule about playing with professionals than with him helping out a kid find ice time with another team.
Puck Swami
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Re: Yale: Cheating their way to #1?
Given Yale's pretty much impeccable record in dealing with the NCAA and academics, we should give them the benefit of the doubt here.
Allain has coached in Europe before on a full time basis, as well as having many tours and tourney's there with US teams. He knows European hockey.
Given Yale's pretty much impeccable record in dealing with the NCAA and academics, we should give them the benefit of the doubt here.
Allain has coached in Europe before on a full time basis, as well as having many tours and tourney's there with US teams. He knows European hockey.