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Yale Bulldogs Hockey 2011 -2012

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Yale84 said:
From the Yale Daily News story on the SLU game: "Although fans and players alike were visibly upset after the call against Laganiere, head coach Keith Allain '80 refused to comment on it. Instead, he pointed out a questionable hit on Kevin Peel '12 that forced the defenseman to exit the game with a concussion."
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I am sorry to hear about Peel. Concussions are a nasty part of this game and something I don't like happening to any player. We were without our best player a good portion of this season with the same injury (one he got on a hit that was not a penalty as more and more of them are) and were without our captain almost all of last season with the same. However, I have little sympathy for calls made or not made. The officiating in this league is atrocious and that is not new. One of the best freshmen in the league last year had his knew blown out in the playoffs at Yale where there were two clear penalties and neither were called in a much more consequential game.

As for the arguments about Allain and staff I must agree that Allain's arrogance and lack of sportsmanship is troubling. My opinion is that there is a lot more expected of a coach in the ECAC, let alone an esteemed institution such as Yale, than just hockey. Showing some sportsmanship, some humility, and giving them the right perspective on matters related to being a student athlete are equally important. There are several Yale hockey alums in my family and there is growing displeasure at what the see on the bench. It is pretty sad day when I would rather see Cornell succeed in the NCAA's instead of Yale because their coach is a better sportsman than Allain....that is saying something but pretty much indicates my feelings.

Final thought...this freshmen class compared to 2011....get real. The talent Yale has graduated in the last 2-3 years is on par quality wise (probably not quantity wise) of Harvard's talent in 88-89. With better discipline and goaltending, Yale might have had an NCAA title to show for it too.
 
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I have to say I was borderline sick to my stomach watching Peel try to get up and failing several times. He is one of my favorite players too. You knew he was special as soon as he took the ice as a freshman. I thought it was a bad leg injury, which at this stage of the season is definitely a season-ender. A concussion is nothing to be trifled with either, but you hope that he may be able to recover in time to play by the end of the season.

As for my thoughts on the 1st line, the lack of a 3rd cohesive member of that line is a huge reason the team has been in the doldrums. Agostino is clearly the most talented option, but he doesn't mesh well with Miller and O'Neill for the most part. Root is better at center and being the linchpin of his own line. I thought Balch played well on that line on Friday. He has the speed to keep up with O'Neill and is always working hard, but he lacks a finishing touch. Ziegler has proven he can tie up opponents in front of the net, which Miller and O'Neill need to get shots through, but if you move him, the checking line is diminished.
 
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Having seen every Yale home game this season (except Cornell which I am glad I missed) and three away games I think I have a good perspective on Allain, especially since I sit across from him at home games. Yale has a well earned target on their backs due to the last three seasons of incredible hockey. As has been mentioned previously, the opposing teams are amped to the max when the come into Ingalls and I think it is common knowledge across the league and obvious by the play on the ice, that if you hit Yale's smaller forwards and defensemen that you will disrupt Yale's fast style of play and create opportunities on the forecheck. The times were I have seen Allain at his most vehement with the officials is when a Yale player is taken out in what he thinks is an illegal hit and no penalty is called. These hits also bait Yale into a *** for tat revenge game which some Yale players cannot seem to avoid. I have NO problem when Allain gives it to officials for what he thinks is a missed call in the protection of his players, I was surprised that he did not jump out of the bench on the Peel hit the other night. If other teams coaches get hot or reprimanded or suspended they are called "passionate". I also equate his style of coaching as being very similar to Bill Belichek, basically, give them nothing so they know nothing. That said even Belichek has mellowed this year. I did not see what happened up at UMass this year to warrant the bench penalty against the coach so that is off of my radar, but, in his six seasons as coach he has been reprimanded once by the league for the Clarkson away game this year. It seems that everyone on this board pretty much agrees about the poor officiating in the ECAC conference wide, and a coach directing his anger at what he feels is a poor call is pretty commonplace, could you call out Allain for getting too hot with the officials, I guess so.
 
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Got 6 said:
Final thought...this freshmen class compared to 2011....get real. The talent Yale has graduated in the last 2-3 years is on par quality wise (probably not quantity wise) of Harvard's talent in 88-89. With better discipline and goaltending, Yale might have had an NCAA title to show for it too.
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Awesome win last night. I like the commenter (can't remember who it was) who said that Yale fans have been 'spoiled' for the last few years (and that the team is going through an 'identity crisis'). That about sums it up. It's a rare and amazing feat to make the NCAA tournament 3 years in a row, and I think that everyone is so upset now because it seems like we may never recapture the success of the last few years. I believe that the Yale Hockey program could eventually become the Ivy League equivalent of Boston College - small forwards, potent offense, etc. But before we become Boston College-caliber, there will be many ups and downs along the way. 2011-2012 is a transition year.

And I didn't mean to offend anyone with the 2011/2015 comparisons. Weberg doesn't have the freshman year stats of Little/Kearney/Backman/Arcobello, et al, but that doesn't mean that he won't eventually be an important part of the team. During the 2007-2008 season (when the members of the Class of 2011 were freshmen), Yale finished around .500 and was eliminated in the quarterfinals of the ECAC tournament. Eerily, they even lost their season opener to Princeton, 6-2, before shutting out Brown 2-0 (we lost our season opener to Cornell, 6-2, before shutting out Colgate 2-0). Things didn't start to come together - on a team level - until the members of Class of 2011 were sophomores. (Alec Richards' goaltending was also crucial).

I personally think that Allain and the coaching staff will need to get a little creative with the line combinations. We've basically had the same line combinations for the last few years, and those skaters have been allowed to to develop chemistry with each other (bouncing Weberg from line to line will not give him Broc Little-esque numbers). As others have noted, the first line is the only line that can be counted on to contribute consistently. Personally, I think that Agostino should be put on the second line. Miller and O'Neill should play with a forward that has Cahill-style agitating qualities, but is also capable of finding the back of the net. I know he's a center, but it would be interesting to see Bourbonais play with them. Ziegler would also be a good choice. 2015 may never be as good as 2011, but I'm not willing to write them off yet.
 
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yaledoc said:
Very well said, Tic !!!
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Thanks, yaledoc! I forgot to add that Matt Killian was also ranked by Central Scouting (#77 I think, which would've made him a third rounder) at the beginning of the 2010-2011 season. He also spent time with the USNTDP.
 
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Killian has been solid and plays the puck well. I have been most impressed with Fallen's offense, he should be the defenseman on every power play, passes well, and has a rocket slapshot. I would like to see Dueck and Young take more initiative in the offensive zone, they really are never part of the play, they rely on the forwards too much and need to be more a part of the offense.
 
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Wow, He is only one of two Americans in the league. At least there are a few Canadians to keep them company.
 
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Fallen has a great shot, but he needs to learn when to take it. He loves to fire it into shin pads, which often turns into odd man rushes the other way. But there arent many offensive options on our D. Dueck has turned into a very capable D-1 defenseman, which I didnt think would ever happen. He may be Yale's most consistent D-man overall.
 
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As one of the guys who started the first Yale thread back in the day when there was no Yale chatter on this site, and as someone who has seen the downs and ups of this team, here are my thoughts:

1. Allain has brough unprecidented success to the Yale program. He may be terse and inpatient with the media, he may loose his temper with refs, but at a national level, he has brought Yale to heights never before seen.

2. The talent which we lost last year is immense. They were a gritty team who knew how to play together. This year we don't have the same talent, depth, or experience, and it shows.

3. Only time will tell with the incoming classes. Experience at the college level is a key piece and unlike 4-5 years ago when freshman got a lot of ice time, things are different now. With that said, give the success of the last 3 years, if Yale can't have a top recruiting class then we never will.

4. Despite the losses of last year, this years team on any given night can play with the best. Unlike in the past 3 years when our NCAA bid was accomplished based on the efforts of the regular season, this time we are going to have to earn it in the ECAC playoffs. And I for one hold out hope.
 
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Back to posting about hockey

In talks of the defenseman, I agree Dueck and Young could be more involved in the offense, especially Young - he shows great offensive talent in spurts. But keep in mind both Dueck have the second most points among defenseman and neither of them really play on the powerplay. They also are the two guys relied on defensively as one of them is always paired against the other teams top lines. They have been the two most consistent two-way defenseman for the team I think this year.
Fallen's offensive talents are at a top level in D1 college hockey. If he had this talent and a couple more inches, IMHO he could be a solid professional prospect. If he adds some size to his frame and improves in the defensive zone (he is only a freshman, he has plenty of time) then he still could be.
Killian has all the tools but seems slow out there. Gets beat to pucks and rarely wins battles, there is a reason why when they short the bench, he is the first to sit. I think coaches want more out of him which is why he is in and out of the lineup. They see a lot of potential and I think he could turn into a good player in the near future.
Carrioco is coming along and seems more comfortable each game he gets. He is very physical which is good due to the size of our defensemen overall. I think as he gets more comfortable with the puck, he will improve into a solid defensive-defenseman a la Dueck. If Peel comes back soon, I would not be too surprised to see Carrioco in he lineup over Killian.
Jaskowiak and Peel, the two seniors havent had their BEST years but it is hard to compare because of the depth and help they had in the years passed. Peel is still exciting to watch and has been playing much better recently before the injury.
Jaskowiak is an all-around solid defenseman that gets the job done. He sometimes makes plays harder than they need to be, but has been very reliable overall. I love the pairing of Jaskowiak and Young as they never seem to have any trouble in their Defensive zone.


The forwards are what they have been. I agree with everyone trying to play the game "who to put with the two studs." I like Root there because he seems to work hard and always be in the right position to get them the back. Agostino would also be a good fit, but him with Bourbanais and Lags looks to be like a threat of a line now too. Having those two lines with the reliable checking line as the third and I am comfortable with this team moving forward. Of course we do not have the 4th line or the depth of years past but that will come with experience.

In goal, well if Malcolm continues to play like he did Saturday then this team will be VERY dangerous, but it has always been hot and cold with him (with all Yale goalies recently actually) Maricic did pretty well Friday and the loss was clearly not on him. They just need better consistency no matter who is in net.

Those are my two cents for now.
 
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While searching for further info on the colin sullivan decommission, I came across this CT based website which is full of interesting info on homegrown CT players. http://www.nutmeghockey.com/

A couple of sites have Sullivan headed to either BC or Notre Dame. Good luck to him.
 
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What are Yale fans' thoughts on the 2012 East Regional at Bridgeport (3/23-3/24)? With Yale's chance slim (but not out of the question because they could make a run in the play-offs) to return like 2009 & 2011, are you still going to attend if Yale's not there? -Less likely? It was attended well in 2009 & 2011 but many attribute that to Yale being in the Regional.

From what I've heard, the NCAA has not committed to Bridgeport for any future hockey Regionals with East/North East sites like Providence coming back on-board as well as, Albany, Worcester, Manchester, and possibly Philly down the road. Although the NCAA being non-committal to Bridgeport could be because it will have hosted three of the past four years East Regionals once 2012 is completed.

Any thoughts?
 
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Big weekend upcoming for the Blue. I love those blue uniforms btw. Four points would be a tall order and a huge accomplishment given the opposition, but I think they need atleast two to remain in the hunt for home ice. Which Yale team will show up this weekend?
 
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bulldawg21 said:
What are Yale fans' thoughts on the 2012 East Regional at Bridgeport (3/23-3/24)? With Yale's chance slim (but not out of the question because they could make a run in the play-offs) to return like 2009 & 2011, are you still going to attend if Yale's not there? -Less likely? It was attended well in 2009 & 2011 but many attribute that to Yale being in the Regional.

From what I've heard, the NCAA has not committed to Bridgeport for any future hockey Regionals with East/North East sites like Providence coming back on-board as well as, Albany, Worcester, Manchester, and possibly Philly down the road. Although the NCAA being non-committal to Bridgeport could be because it will have hosted three of the past four years East Regionals once 2012 is completed.

Any thoughts?
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I think I will attend the regional whether or not Yale is there. I believe it is probably in the NCAA's and the game's best interest to spread around the regionals to different areas of the major hockey populaces. It seems there will always be two midwest and two northeast regionals, there is really no other option.
 
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wish you guys some luck for the rest of the year, starting tonight at Lynah...frankly, I thought you outplayed us last night - just didn't get the bounces...you're scary fast and very scary in transition (I thought we were fast as well, but didn't have our legs last night)...this Yale program will continue to be among the best in the East and should make many forays into the top 5 or 10 again...losing so many seniors these days is tough as the game has progressed where it takes freshmen - in most cases - a lot longer to develop than 10 or 20 years ago...wouldn't surprise me to see you boys in AC and even getting an NCAA bid through winning at AC...beat Cornell tonight...it wasn't pretty but we got another monkey off our backs last night although you did a good job on the Smith-Wagner-Wilson line...
 
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TheGreenCoat said:
wish you guys some luck for the rest of the year, starting tonight at Lynah...frankly, I thought you outplayed us last night - just didn't get the bounces...you're scary fast and very scary in transition (I thought we were fast as well, but didn't have our legs last night)...this Yale program will continue to be among the best in the East and should make many forays into the top 5 or 10 again...losing so many seniors these days is tough as the game has progressed where it takes freshmen - in most cases - a lot longer to develop than 10 or 20 years ago...wouldn't surprise me to see you boys in AC and even getting an NCAA bid through winning at AC...beat Cornell tonight...it wasn't pretty but we got another monkey off our backs last night although you did a good job on the Smith-Wagner-Wilson line...
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I did not see the game, but from the box score showing Yale held to six shots in the third period, Colgates defense must have played pretty well. I hope you are right about AC.
 
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