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Yale Bulldogs Hockey 2011 -2012

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I also forgot to add:

-I certainly hope the injury to Peel is not serious. We all hate to see anything happen to any player.

-What was up with the 10 minute Misconduct to Brockett at the end of the game? Didn't see what they called?
 
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3) I was sitting across from the Yale bench and Keith looked like he wanted to be anywhere but on the bench, at times throughout the game. I have never seen him less animated behind the bench, 4) I struggle to figure out what assistant coach Red actually does. He is certainly not engaged with the players the way Kyle Wallach was throughout his tenure with Yale.

Yale should fire Allain and hire Wallack as head coach. Guaranteed improvement. There is no doubt he was always the guy that connected with the players. He recruited all of them and no doubt was primary motivator. Gendron looks too fat to skate.

I have the feeling Allain looks like he doesn't want to be, well, wherever he is at any given moment. If you look up "whiny puss-face" in the dictionary, his picture will be there.
 
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What's with the student presence or lack of it at Ingalls? Was there just too much going on with the BB game and other stuff? I agree there wasn't alot of energy in the building.

I was in the student section last night, and it was pretty dead. I sat with a contingent of YPMB (Yale Band) friends, and we tried to get several cheers started, but no one picked them up. We were told to sit down as well (I know that people might consider standing at a hockey game obnoxious, but it's a fairly conventional thing to do in the student section). There is also much less buzz about this team on campus, too. Last year, student tickets would sell out by Wednesday or Thursday at the latest. Now, you can walk up to the box office minutes before the game and still get student tickets.

This is definitely a transition year for this team, but I have faith that we'll get back on track. I know it's hard to keep things in perspective at this point, but the Class of 2015 might eventually be as valuable to the Yale Hockey program as the Class of 2011.
 
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I was in the student section last night, and it was pretty dead. I sat with a contingent of YPMB (Yale Band) friends, and we tried to get several cheers started, but no one picked them up.

Actual band presence would probably do a lot more for atmosphere than band members leading cheers.

This is definitely a transition year for this team, but I have faith that we'll get back on track. I know it's hard to keep things in perspective at this point, but the Class of 2015 might eventually be as valuable to the Yale Hockey program as the Class of 2011.

Yeah, a transition from being a national contender back to being mediocre. What do you see changing next year? Team will only be worse without O'Neill. No one is there to step in and fill that void. Saying this year's freshman class could be like the Class of 2011 is a ridiculous statement. Kearney and Little combined for 45 points as freshman. The leader among the current freshman class is Weberg with 5 points, and he doesn't even dress anymore. Easily the worst freshman class during Allain's tenure, though it took him forever before he started playing the forwards with any regularity. So maybe a case of more team mismanagement. And again, no Wallack anymore to lead recruiting.
 
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I have written in this thread strictly about hockey in order to provide discussion and my insight of the team this year. But enough is enough with some of your comments. I know these kids first hand and they are all in love with Red and talk about what a great upgrade he is. One exact quote is, "Red is the most knowledgeable coach I've ever had. Wallack never said a word to a kid in practice or in the game and provided no insight. Red teaches us everything." Klumpypants, I did not comment on your tussle with Coach Allain and while I agree he should be more media-friendly, your comments are way off and prove your lack of knowledge to the college hockey game. Every kid on that team would go through the wall for Coach Allain and I know this for a fact. Wallack was a great guy and the kids liked him but he was not the motivator or teacher that you play him out to be. Do some research, Red does have 3 Stanley Cup Rings and was a head coach in the AHL for two seasons. Please, the ignorance of some of the people on this board is downright disturbing, especially for some who act like they know the game. It has been what everyone would say a struggle of a year, but to be full-fledge against this team right now is awful. No wonder the support is not what it should be, everyone in the stands is pointing fingers as if they actually know what is going on with this team when, in reality, no one does. But what i do know is what some of you guys have said is simply just wrong. If you truly are a Yale fan, it is ok to discuss and be frustrated with the way the team has played, but cut it out when it comes to point fingers and blame, you are displaying your ignorance.

I was going to comment on the SLU game but I feel what I said right then will suffice for the moment. One thing I will say is that even with these struggles, I can assure you there is not ONE team that wants to be matched up against Yale in the playoffs. They for sure still scare everyone.

I hope for a bounce back tonight against Clarkson and some better support.
 
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And in terms "back to mediocre" Right now you are 100% correct but watching this team play, I know there is more there and I wouldn't be surprised for them to make a deep run in the ECAC playoffs. Next year, you are right losing O'neill will be devastating, but to say they are going to be worse is something that I do not agree with. In goal, they can only get better (lets hope) as they will not lose a goalie. On Defense, Young, Dueck, Jaskowiak, and Fallen have been the top 4 this year. Peel is just not the same player this year - could be injury, could be other stuff - but he just isn't. With Killian getting better and the addition of O'gara, Witeck, and obuchowski, there defense will 100% be better. Now to forwards, they lose 1 out of their top 6 (I include Miller, Lags, Bourbanais, Root, Agostino) as the others. Although that one is a huge hit, I think the improvement of the other 5 and the improvement of the underclassmen will go a long way. An example, Dueck played in a handful of games his freshman year while Young played in 5 or 6 last year and they are the two best defenseman on the team in my opinion. Fallen has the most offensive upside and improvement in his D-game will make him a force as well. I am not too familiar with the recruiting class for the freshman but they do have Beattie coming in from Exeter who is the leading scorer in prep school hockey and has the size to match it.

The quote saying 2015 is the new class of 2011 is very premature and only time will tell but it is also ignorant to compare the two during their freshman year. Yes Kearney and Little combined for 45 points, yet they played on a team that was terrible and received playing time (from allain) right away as all new coaches do in playing younger guys. Time will tell but I think both arguments right now are premature.
 
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Whaler, I have to agree with you.

Coach Gendron is a well respected hockey coach and I have only been told great things about him. Seeing as he's only been here since June 2011, it's a little premature to say he's not the right guy. I thought Coach Wallack was a great guy but he was only in his recruiting position for less than two years, after C.J. left for S.H.U. (Sept 2009), before leaving for Indianapolis.

Yale's going through a bit of an identity crisis right now. Let's face it, it's impossible to sustain the success year-in year-out, it's pretty impressive that Yale was able to do it for three years. Yale fan have been a bit spoiled. Not too mention that almost every team in this league has circled the Yale game on their calendar looking to knock-off the league power or for revenge after getting beat up by Yale over the past three seasons.

Klumpy, It's laughable that you would call for Allain to be fired after the success he has created. Please keep your personal vendettas off the thread page please. It's not our fault you got your Yale press pass revoked. Some of the things you say on here don't even make you a credible poster, let alone a credible journalist.
 
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FYI - Yale band was at the Yale men's basketball game vs. Penn last night at John J. Lee Amphitheater. It tipped-off at the exact same time as the hockey game. The Yale band will be at the Clarkson game tonight and the Clarkson band will be there as well. Should be a much better atmosphere at hockey.
 
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I know these kids first hand and they are all in love with Red and talk about what a great upgrade he is. One exact quote is, "Red is the most knowledgeable coach I've ever had. Wallack never said a word to a kid in practice or in the game and provided no insight. Red teaches us everything."

I appreciate that someone out there is close enough with the team to be able to get actual insight. If only the team could be as open with the media so the rest of us fans could know what's going on. As for saying he never said a word to a kid, that directly contradicts the visual evidence. I have also seen him with recruits and their families on numerous occasions. I think you go a little far in your bashing of him to prove a point, but I am glad that we are wrong about Gendron. I hope he is a great coach.

Klumpypants, I did not comment on your tussle with Coach Allain and while I agree he should be more media-friendly, your comments are way off and prove your lack of knowledge to the college hockey game.

First off, I welcome your comments if you are man enough to make them instead of alluding to them while acting like you are above the fray. Just be careful about criticizing Allain if you want to stay in the inner circle. Just because you know Yale players personally and are able to get inside knowledge doesn't give you license to criticize my entire knowledge of the "college hockey game." I've been around the block a few times. I know people too. Yale just runs the tightest ship of any team in college hockey. They even make all the players lock their Twitter accounts. They are so uptight over the football scandals as a department as well. In fact, your whole "I know something you don't know" attitude is the epitome of Yale's overall arrogant attitude that says if you aren't in the inner circle, you're just a nobody only good for your ticket money but not entitled to any information. You must be friends with Steve Conn. I wonder, since you have the inside scoop, can you tell us what exactly Sean Backman was doing when he broke his foot clowning around the pool?

Every kid on that team would go through the wall for Coach Allain and I know this for a fact. Wallack was a great guy and the kids liked him but he was not the motivator or teacher that you play him out to be. Do some research, Red does have 3 Stanley Cup Rings and was a head coach in the AHL for two seasons.

Since we're talking about doing research, I doubt Wallack would have been hired by one of the top recent teams in the USHL (to a post held by Jeff Blashill 2 years ago) and have them with the 2nd best record in the league if he were not a great teacher or motivator. I also know that Holy Cross and now Yale both got worse after he left. And there should be no lack of emphasis placed on your saying Wallack was a "great guy." That's basically what I know of him other than what I saw. I talked to Allain countless times as a member of the media, including when I covered every game they played for USCHO 2 years ago, and he always treated me and every other media member like a piece of ****. I spoke to Wallack once or twice in person, after he coached the team in Allain's absence last year, and it was a breath of fresh air. Open, honest, friendly. That goes a long way. Maybe they go so hard for Allain because they know that when they lose, no matter how well they played, he will say they did nothing right.

No wonder the support is not what it should be, everyone in the stands is pointing fingers as if they actually know what is going on with this team when, in reality, no one does. But what i do know is what some of you guys have said is simply just wrong. If you truly are a Yale fan, it is ok to discuss and be frustrated with the way the team has played, but cut it out when it comes to point fingers and blame, you are displaying your ignorance.

Maybe people are pointing fingers because there are no honest answers from the coach about accountability. Normally, if a coach doesn't want fingers pointed, he mans up and takes the responsibility himself. But I have never heard Allain do that. I've only heard him call out his team en masse. And then people like you call us "ignorant" for speculating, which is all we can do. Oh and thanks for spelling out the rules for being a "true Yale fan" to all us fake Yale fans. You can now go back to your high and mighty thrown.
 
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Klumpy, It's laughable that you would call for Allain to be fired after the success he has created. Please keep your personal vendettas off the thread page please. It's not our fault you got your Yale press pass revoked. Some of the things you say on here don't even make you a credible poster, let alone a credible journalist.

I admit I don't know anything about Gendron. I was just following other's comments there. So, I stand corrected on that.

It's great that you Johnny Come Lately's all want to call out someone that has been a Yale hockey fan for 2 decades and tell me to stay off the board. You are always free to skip my posts. And I never said it was anyone's fault about my press pass being revoked. It doesn't keep me from going to games. You Yalies seem to think that me making negative comments about Allain is the same as personally antagonizing fellow fans. As to credible posters, the only one I see on here with any regularity is CornellGradYaleFan and licwinko. The rest of you just seem like blind followers more than fans. If you think that the team has a lack of support now, go back to the early 90s when I started buying season tickets. No one was there until 1998. I don't have to love Allain to love Yale hockey. He may be great for players, but he is absolutely awful for us fans that want to follow closer than just putting our *** in a seat 15 times a year.
 
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I admit I don't know anything about Gendron. I was just following other's comments there. So, I stand corrected on that.

It's great that you Johnny Come Lately's all want to call out someone that has been a Yale hockey fan for 2 decades and tell me to stay off the board. You are always free to skip my posts. And I never said it was anyone's fault about my press pass being revoked. It doesn't keep me from going to games. You Yalies seem to think that me making negative comments about Allain is the same as personally antagonizing fellow fans. As to credible posters, the only one I see on here with any regularity is CornellGradYaleFan and licwinko. The rest of you just seem like blind followers more than fans. If you think that the team has a lack of support now, go back to the early 90s when I started buying season tickets. No one was there until 1998. I don't have to love Allain to love Yale hockey. He may be great for players, but he is absolutely awful for us fans that want to follow closer than just putting our *** in a seat 15 times a year.


Lol.. Johnny Come Lately? What's your join date on the USCHO forum?;) For someone that supposed to be so passionate about Yale hockey you certainly picked a convenient time to join the USCHO forum.

I'm not a Yalie but a New Haven native. I've been coming to Yale games regularly for the past 15 years. Many of us choose not to post simply because we enjoy watching Yale hockey. We (prefer not/don't need) to talk about it afterwards. There's is nothing wrong that. I only put my "two cents" in when I hear someone say something outrageous or if I have information I feel I should share with fellow posters. I read and enjoy the majority of posts on this thread.
 
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Do some research, Red does have 3 Stanley Cup Rings and was a head coach in the AHL for two seasons.

He was also an assistant on some pretty incredible U Maine teams, and before that he was John LeClair's high school coach in the mid-80s.
 
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I also stand corrected on Red. I don't have inside knowledge so I can only go by what I see, and what I see each game is a coach who is far less engaged with the players than Kyle. As to the point about true fans not criticizing the team, I don't think my post was overly critical. This team has lost focus and played well below their talent level for portions of every game I have seen this year. The second period against SLU last night was a perfect example of that. The fans that I was sitting with never turned against the team, but they became increasingly perplexed by the indifferent quality of play. I won't be at the game tonight. I hope they can turn it around.
 
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Nice well played game by Yale tonight, Malcolm was outstanding, he absolutely robbed McPherson three times tonight. They hustled to every puck and tried their best to deal with Clarkson's large forwards in the corners. Peel was scratched due to the hit last night. Carraccio got a few minutes. Much more playing time for Peltz and Weberg who contributed well. Agostino, Miller and O'Neil were much more active this evening and it showed on the scoreboard. They are still having trouble breaking out from deep in their own zone, teams are throwing bodies on them and disrupting the breakout. Not sure why but Fallen always waits for his defensive linemate to skate the puck out and should take more initiative with the puck when he has it in his own zone. His offensive skills are excellent and he should skate the puck more. Lets hope they keep this up in the north country.
 
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Actual band presence would probably do a lot more for atmosphere than band members leading cheers.

Absolutely! The band was went to the basketball game on Friday night, though. We usually play basketball games on Friday and hockey on Saturday. It would be ideal to have a basketball band and a hockey band (or split the band), but that just isn't the case. Last night, we were there as fans of Yale Hockey.



Yeah, a transition from being a national contender back to being mediocre. What do you see changing next year? Team will only be worse without O'Neill. No one is there to step in andsd fill that void. Saying this year's freshman class could be like the Class of 2011 is a ridiculous statement. Kearney and Little combined for 45 points as freshman. The leader among the current freshman class is Weberg with 5 points, and he doesn't even dress anymore. Easily the worst freshman class during Allain's tenure, though it took him forever before he started playing the forwards with any regularity. So maybe a case of more team mismanagement. And again, no Wallack anymore to lead recruiting.

Whoa now! I understand the frustration, but this is just an internet forum. I believe that this program has the potential to be great again. Maybe the Class of 2015 will be a part of that. Maybe they won't. Watching Yale beat North Dakota in Worcester has taught me that anything is possible.
 
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I know how tight lipped Yale is about player injuries, but has anyone heard anything about Peel?

From the Yale Daily News story on the SLU game: "Although fans and players alike were visibly upset after the call against Laganiere, head coach Keith Allain '80 refused to comment on it. Instead, he pointed out a questionable hit on Kevin Peel '12 that forced the defenseman to exit the game with a concussion."
 
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Further to the information about Peel from the YDN, what a tragedy if a bad hit has ended his season and perhaps his career. He hasn't always looked liked himself this season, but he has always been one of my favorite players to watch, and a lynchpin for this team. Fingers crossed, prayers, thoughts - all going out to Kevin, his family and the team.
 
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What is everyone's thoughts on the first line? Seem's like we can't find the right player to skate with Miller and O'Neill. Obviously Agostino is the best the choice, but Coach wants to spread out the scoring so someone else needs to step up. Started the year with Weberg, that didnt work out so well. Root seems to play well with them, but than you look out there and Agostino is skating on the first line again. Balch got the the call friday night, and there was never any flow. What do we do? Take our chances on being a one line team? Maybe put some size on that first line, maybe Ziegler?
 
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Looking at the scoring below it was pretty spread out but the first line did the bulk. Its is a dilemma, but the e first line is the only one that really clicks, when they have a bad night the entire team usually does.



Yale-1 Andrew Miller (Jesse Root, Tommy Fallen) 6:26

Second Period
Yale-2 Brian O'Neill (Nick Jaskowiak) GWG PPG 1:03
Yale-3 Brian O'Neill (Andrew Miller, Colin Dueck) 18:00

Third Period
Yale-4 Kenny Agostino (Andrew Miller, Antoine Laganiere) 11:57
Yale-5 Clinton Bourbonais (Kenny Agostino, Nick Jaskowiak)

Read more: http://www.uscho.com/box/mens-hockey/2012/02/04/clarkson-vs-yale/#ixzz1lWfqe9VW
 
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