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World Soccer XXXI: Golden Generation?

Reports are that 14 year old Cavan Sullivan will be in the lineup tonight for the Philadelphia Union. Likely not starting but if he makes an appearance he will break Freddy Adu's record as youngest ever player in MLS.
 
Reports are that 14 year old Cavan Sullivan will be in the lineup tonight for the Philadelphia Union. Likely not starting but if he makes an appearance he will break Freddy Adu's record as youngest ever player in MLS.

Can't say that I'm a fan of the MLS copying that part of football from the rest of the world. Seems like the rest of the professional leagues do just fine with waiting for them to be 18 for the NHL, 19 for the NBA, +3 from HS for the NFL, HS graduation or 21 for MLB.
 
Can't say that I'm a fan of the MLS copying that part of football from the rest of the world. Seems like the rest of the professional leagues do just fine with waiting for them to be 18 for the NHL, 19 for the NBA, +3 from HS for the NFL, HS graduation or 21 for MLB.
It’s completely different for soccer. The European champions were lead by a kid who turned 17 during the tournament.

Heck, Cavan Sullivan is already playing professionally. He’s scored in back to back games for Philly’s second team.
 
It’s completely different for soccer. The European champions were lead by a kid who turned 17 during the tournament.

Heck, Cavan Sullivan is already playing professionally. He’s scored in back to back games for Philly’s second team.

Given how Adu's career played out, not sure if I would agree to that. Sure, there's the rare player like Kobe or Lebron. But there's still a lot of growing in a kid before they get old enough. And seeing how my niece's possible hockey career was cut nicely short during some real physical play in HS soccer....

Didn't realize that soccer is such a children's game, though. Thought it would take some real physical development and work to be a long term star. Especially when you see that mid-distance runners (a reasonably close substitute) don't peak until well into their 20's. And many of them move onto the longer distances as they age.

But it's not my game to worry about.
 
Some post-tourney drama.

France has made an official complaint to FIFA regarding a racist chant caught on video during Argentina’s celebration.

Gibraltar has made an official complaint to FIFA over a chant Spain made during their celebration saying Gibraltar is Spanish.
 
Given how Adu's career played out, not sure if I would agree to that. Sure, there's the rare player like Kobe or Lebron. But there's still a lot of growing in a kid before they get old enough. And seeing how my niece's possible hockey career was cut nicely short during some real physical play in HS soccer....

Didn't realize that soccer is such a children's game, though. Thought it would take some real physical development and work to be a long term star. Especially when you see that mid-distance runners (a reasonably close substitute) don't peak until well into their 20's. And many of them move onto the longer distances as they age.

But it's not my game to worry about.
Nearly ever notable player started playing professionally in their teenage years. It is very very rare for a player to start their professional career at 20 or older and succeed.

Beckham was 17 (though had been playing in academy and reserve matches prior to that).

Messi was 17 (though had played reserve matches as early as 15).

Cristiano Ronaldo was 16 (in Champions League match!)

And there are a ton of teenagers playing regularly already in MLS, including plenty under 18. Seattle’s Obed Vargas is a regular starter, in his third season and is only 18.
 
Given how Adu's career played out, not sure if I would agree to that. Sure, there's the rare player like Kobe or Lebron. But there's still a lot of growing in a kid before they get old enough. And seeing how my niece's possible hockey career was cut nicely short during some real physical play in HS soccer....

Didn't realize that soccer is such a children's game, though. Thought it would take some real physical development and work to be a long term star. Especially when you see that mid-distance runners (a reasonably close substitute) don't peak until well into their 20's. And many of them move onto the longer distances as they age.

But it's not my game to worry about.

As someone who doesn’t always follow mens team closely, what did happen to Freddy??
 
As someone who doesn’t always follow mens team closely, what did happen to Freddy??
Moved to Europe, crashed out because he never really developed a good work ethic and just kind of expected everything to be handed to him. Also, he never really grew and remained undersized and understrengthed for his career. He had a brief comeback in 2011 playing in the Gold Cup and briefly in Philly but never really did much. Bounced around in the lower leagues and retired.
 
TBF, the system in place now for Sullivan is radically different than when Adu started. Adu basically got signed and thrown into the deep end without any lower levels to come up through. Sullivan is coming out of Philly's youth academy teams and their second team. And he's only likely to make his debut because Philly is dealing with so many injuries and international callups.
 
Cavan Sullivan comes on in the 85th minute for Philadelphia and becomes the youngest player in MLS history and in US major sports history at 14 years, 293 days old.
 
Some post-tourney drama.

France has made an official complaint to FIFA regarding a racist chant caught on video during Argentina’s celebration.
Yeah, this is getting worse. An Argentine government official called on Messi to publicly apologize (even though he wasn’t involved) and the Argentine President fired her. Argentina has gone “we’ve done nothing wrong! You’re all too sensitive!” on the bit.
 
Yeah, this is getting worse. An Argentine government official called on Messi to publicly apologize (even though he wasn’t involved) and the Argentine President fired her. Argentina has gone “we’ve done nothing wrong! You’re all too sensitive!” on the bit.

Well, this is a country which harbored actual WWII Nazis...
 
Yeah, this is getting worse. An Argentine government official called on Messi to publicly apologize (even though he wasn’t involved) and the Argentine President fired her. Argentina has gone “we’ve done nothing wrong! You’re all too sensitive!” on the bit.

And UEFA just appointed an inspector for potential penalties against Spain for the Gibraltar incident.
 
Not going to clog up the Olympics thread:

Apparently Canada's use of drone spying goes waaaaaaaaaay deeper than this Olympics.

After TSN published an initial version of this story, Canada Soccer chief executive Kevin Blue wrote in a statement that head coach Bev Priestman had been removed from her position for the balance of the Olympic tournament. Blue wrote that the federation had obtained new information regarding previous drone use against opponents that predates the 2024 Olympics. The Canadian Olympic Committee said that Priestman had been removed from the Olympic team.

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Staff and contractors connected to the men’s national team have also filmed the closed training sessions of competitors, one of the sources told TSN, adding that Canada used a drone to record a U.S. training session before a Nov. 15, 2019, game in Florida. The U.S. won that game 4-1.

Two years later, Honduras stopped a training session in Toronto during World Cup qualifiers after someone spotted a drone overhead.

“I’d imagine there’s probably a lot of people in Canada that fly drones, I’m sure,” then-Canada coach John Herdman said at the time. “And when a big team like Honduras turn up I’m sure people are probably interested in what they’re doing when they come into our country. So I know for sure we won’t be heading into people’s countries too early because with drones these days, people can obviously capture footage. You’ve got to be really careful. So yeah, you got to be careful in CONCACAF. It’s a tricky place.”

Some staff and contractors were told the filming was part of their jobs and that they could lose their positions with the federation if they did not go along with the demands, one of the sources said in a series of interviews with TSN on Wednesday and Thursday.

“In a couple of scenarios, people have been pushed and have been told, ‘You have to give 110 percent and this is part of the job so if you don’t feel comfortable with doing this, you do not have a place on the team’,” the source said. “It’s not something that’s talked about and it’s not something there are a lot of text messages about because of how sensitive this is. Some of the people who have had to do the filming or review the filming have said to a few staff members how uncomfortable it was for them.”

Both sources asked for anonymity because they said they were afraid the federation would retaliate against them. It’s unclear whether any players were aware of the strategy to record practices.

One of the sources said the spying included a Team Canada coach filming two of Japan’s closed-door training sessions during the 2021 Summer Olympics in Tokyo. Canada tied Japan 1-1 in its first game during those Olympics.

“It was a little bit tricky during that time, given the fact that we were under a lot more restrictions, but there were ways to kind of sneak out of the hotel without people knowing,” the source told TSN. “In Tokyo, a lot of the facilities were a little bit more open so in some cases, you could see from behind bushes or behind fences or behind trees. It wasn't that complicated, because they didn't have the big mesh walls. So as long as you were close enough to the facility, you're able to see if you're in a hidden location.”

The source said they weren’t aware if spying occurred in other games during those Olympics.

Two years after the Tokyo Olympics, a Canada Soccer contractor who was scheduled to travel to Australia for the 2023 World Cup was told their responsibilities would include trying to record training sessions of opposing teams. When the contractor said they wouldn’t agree to do that, their trip was canceled and a Canada Soccer staff member flew there in their place to do the recording, the source said.
 
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