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World Soccer XXXI: Golden Generation?

MichVandal said:
I knew that was going to happen, but the delay to get it started was really long. Like this will end up being 30 min instead of the extended 25 min.
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Be interesting if FIFA raises a stink over the extended halftime. FIFA and IFAB have been pretty adamant over the years about halftime being a maximum of 15 minutes, even denying a German proposal to extend it to 20 minutes to increase beer sales.
 
MichVandal said:
I knew that was going to happen, but the delay to get it started was really long. Like this will end up being 30 min instead of the extended 25 min.
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Just saw some news that the show was shorted by about 10min. Didn't say why, but it was shortened.

If I were FIFA, and saw how lethargic the teams came out after half time, I would never, ever even entertain the thought to expand the half time by even a min. Seems that the extra time tightened both teams up, and made them more likely to get small injuries (or make real ones worse). Although that could also be the surface.
 
So apparently Spain’s manager Luis de la Fuente is interested in the USMNT job.

It’s normally one that seems preposterous, Euro winning manager suddenly jumps to the US? And it kind of is, de la Fuente apparently only makes €600k a year in Spain so it’s clearly a leverage ploy. But even if it is a leverage ploy, it’s still worth pursuing.
 
Looking at the aftermath here, how does soccer ever catch on here?

Like, seriously, the crowd last night was barbaric and animalistic. People are commenting about how people acted the way they did cause there were NOT police in full riot gear present infront of and inside the stadium. If that is what f?tbol is expected to be here in the States, no thanks.

And yes, I know "that's how it is elsewhere". Sometimes people need to evolve. This is where we are at with this.
 
RaceBoarder said:
Looking at the aftermath here, how does soccer ever catch on here?

Like, seriously, the crowd last night was barbaric and animalistic. People are commenting about how people acted the way they did cause there were NOT police in full riot gear present infront of and inside the stadium. If that is what f?tbol is expected to be here in the States, no thanks.

And yes, I know "that's how it is elsewhere". Sometimes people need to evolve. This is where we are at with this.
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You should see it when some rogue MLS supporter group sets off a flare, they inevitably get the hammer brought down on them, and then they start *ing about how the league is “too corporate” and “not authentic”. It authenticity requires open flames in crowded groups of people, maybe being fake isn’t so bad.

It’s always funny watch British YouTubers marvel at the fact that MLS stadiums allow fans to have things like drums and flagpoles.

It is ridiculous the amount of stuff that happens because of unruly spectators. This exact same kind of thing happened at the Euro final in 2021 and the Champions League final in 2022. Other incidents have happened at finals all around the world in the last decade or so.
 
Point being, with the Big Four Leagues + NCAA Football, you have absolutely zero incidents of this nature in the past 25 years. But somehow this is expected to just be "Par for the course" here?

I get CONEMBOL being cheap here with security. So where is the line then? Are we just a place to be exploited by others in the soccer world?

Or better yet, what happens when a US fan decides that they need to bring their pew pew if this is how things are gonna go down? All you need is that fan outside the stadium when this stuff happens and you have a MAJOR incident.
 
RaceBoarder said:
Point being, with the Big Four Leagues + NCAA Football, you have absolutely zero incidents of this nature in the past 25 years. But somehow this is expected to just be "Par for the course" here?

I get CONEMBOL being cheap here with security. So where is the line then? Are we just a place to be exploited by others in the soccer world?

Or better yet, what happens when a US fan decides that they need to bring their pew pew if this is how things are gonna go down? All you need is that fan outside the stadium when this stuff happens and you have a MAJOR incident.
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Actually, how often is this kind of thing seen at non soccer events? Why is it pretty much only soccer games?

Funny, too- been to the Big House for two international soccer friendlies- and it was just like going to a football game- just less happening.
 
2 wild and crazy guys.

Colombia Football Federation president Ramon Jesurun and his son Ramon Jamil Jesurun are facing three felony counts of battery on a specified official or employee after being arrested by Miami-Dade police at Hard Rock Stadium following the 2024 Copa Am?rica final.

The two men were booked into the Turner Guilford Knight Correctional Center just after 4:10 a.m. Monday, according to jail records. The father, 71, and son, 43, are accused of fighting multiple security guards at one of the stadium's tunnels used for the media at around 12:20 a.m. ET as they tried to gain access to the field, according to the arrest report.
 
RaceBoarder said:
I get CONEMBOL being cheap here with security. So where is the line then? Are we just a place to be exploited by others in the soccer world?
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In a word, yes. To Europe and South America we’re nothing but a piggy bank to be exploited for their own gain. The irony is this whole situation happened at the stadium owned by the guy suing FIFA and US Soccer to enable more of this crap.
 
MichVandal said:
Actually, how often is this kind of thing seen at non soccer events? Why is it pretty much only soccer games?

Funny, too- been to the Big House for two international soccer friendlies- and it was just like going to a football game- just less happening.
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You went to two club exhibition games, the functional equivalent of those Hockeyville games the NHL does in preseason. Completely different from a continental championship final.

It happens mostly at soccer games because that’s really the only sporting event that draws crowds around the world. There are other sports that can draw big crowds in some places sure, India and cricket for example, but soccer’s popularity absolutely dwarfs any other sport.

Interestly, the most non-soccer related crowd crushes have happened during the Hajj in Mecca.
 
Jimjamesak said:
You went to two club exhibition games, the functional equivalent of those Hockeyville games the NHL does in preseason. Completely different from a continental championship final.

It happens mostly at soccer games because that’s really the only sporting event that draws crowds around the world. There are other sports that can draw big crowds in some places sure, India and cricket for example, but soccer’s popularity absolutely dwarfs any other sport.

Interestly, the most non-soccer related crowd crushes have happened during the Hajj in Mecca.
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Well, to be fair, I've also been to a very full Wembley to see a NZ-Wales rugby match. And two F1 races in Europe. Which had a lot more people than any football match that happens on the continent. One of them even had Ferrari win on home soil- the celebration was wild, but very peaceful.

But, still, popularity should not be a measure of how bad the fans behave.
 
MichVandal said:
Well, to be fair, I've also been to a very full Wembley to see a NZ-Wales rugby match. And two F1 races in Europe. Which had a lot more people than any football match that happens on the continent. One of them even had Ferrari win on home soil- the celebration was wild, but very peaceful.

But, still, popularity should not be a measure of how bad the fans behave.
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Oh I agree. I think it's ridiculous.

One of the major problems at the club level is that, in a lot of places, the "ultras" will have effective control of the club and that allows to do the stupid things that they do (flares, fireworks, smoke bombs, racist chanting etc.) pretty much unchecked. It's the double edged sword of having fan control.
 
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