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World Soccer XXX: We Have Men Too!

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It’s crazy watching France right now and how they’ve developed their system for both sexes. I’m thinking even if they used coed rules (5 men + 5 women + goalie) France probably beats the US by 3 or 4.
 
Jimjamesak said:
It’s crazy watching France right now and how they’ve developed their system for both sexes. I’m thinking even if they used coed rules (5 men + 5 women + goalie) France probably beats the US by 3 or 4.
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Mixed soccer would be awesome. Say you have to have 5 of each gender on the pitch at any time.
 
Kepler said:
Mixed soccer would be awesome. Say you have to have 5 of each gender on the pitch at any time.
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Nowadays the novelty would wear out pretty quick with France and Germany winning most of the time. Now, 25-30 years ago it would’ve been fascinating.
 
Jimjamesak said:
Nowadays the novelty would wear out pretty quick with France and Germany winning most of the time. Now, 25-30 years ago it would’ve been fascinating.
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Who cares? It might get a few soccer countries to put resources into their women and the US to get their act together with their men.

And I really want to see a male player do the "lie and cry" when he's tackled by a woman. So much for swarthy machismo.
 
Panama, Canada, and El Salvador move on to the final eight in CONCACAF qualifying.

US coincidentally gets all three to start things off in September.
 
Kepler said:
Who cares? It might get a few soccer countries to put resources into their women and the US to get their act together with their men.
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A coed championship isn’t going to get any country to invest in their women’s program, at least the ones that don’t already.

And if the last month is indication, I’d say things are in pretty good shape on the men’s side.
 
Jimjamesak said:
A coed championship isn’t going to get any country to invest in their women’s program, at least the ones that don’t already.

And if the last month is indication, I’d say things are in pretty good shape on the men’s side.
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I think he's being mostly cheeky. Also didn't you just say France would stomp the U.S. in this hypothetical format? btw on that I would disagree.
 
Slap Shot said:
I think he's being mostly cheeky. Also didn't you just say France would stomp the U.S. in this hypothetical format? btw on that I would disagree.
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The thing with the hypothetical format is while the US has someone like Rapinoe or Lavelle, France has someone like Eugenie Le Sommer who is functionally at the same level. The difference being that Rapinoe and Lavelle would be playing with Pulisic and McKennie while Le Sommer would be playing with Mbappe, Pogba, Griezmann, Giroud, Kante, Matuidi etc. France would be picking from the defending World Champions and a Top 5 team. England would be on a close level and, even with their respective Men's teams in a funk, Germany and the Netherlands would be there too. Brazil and Sweden would be darkhorses (I shudder at a Swedish team with Zlatan in this format) and I wouldn't be shocked at Argentina and Portugal being carried by Messi and C. Ronaldo to some success. The US would be a quarterfinal team with a shout at the semis.

Also, the USWNT players lose their one main advantage: athleticism.
 
With a 5 and 5 format, I think the overall quality of the team is 80% dependent on the quality of the men and only 20% on the women. Think Messi would notice any difference at all dribbling through the USWNT vs England’s or Sweden’s women’s teams? Or would Ronaldo notice any difference in their quality as he rises 3’ higher than them for a header? Asking how the top men’s players would do against the various top women’s countries would be like asking whether they’d do better against a high school boys team or a D-III college team. Sure, the D-Iii team beats the high school boys every time, so they are objectively better, but that difference is irrelevant when playing the sport’s superstars.
 
Jimjamesak said:
It’s actually El Salvador, Canada, Honduras in October.
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September*

I jumped too far down the schedule, Panama isn’t until October, along with Jamaica and Costa Rica.

With a more winter-centric schedule
than normal, I’m thinking the USMNT should just set up shop in the North and play all home games in Denver and Minnesota.
 
Spartanforlife4 said:
September*

I jumped too far down the schedule, Panama isn’t until October, along with Jamaica and Costa Rica.

With a more winter-centric schedule
than normal, I’m thinking the USMNT should just set up shop in the North and play all home games in Denver and Minnesota.
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Travel is gonna be hell with a European based lineup and travel to Central America and back (Jamaica is the only Caribbean team). I doubt there’s gonna any games west of the Mississippi.
 
Jimjamesak said:
I just saw the that road game against Canada is in January.

That’ll be a fun trip to Winnipeg…
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I was actually eyeing that date as a possible road trip if we can get international travel back online.

Full Schedule

Sept. 2: El Salvador (a)
Sept. 5: Canada (h)
Sept. 8: Honduras (a)
Oct. 7: Jamaica (h)
Oct. 10: Panama (a)
Oct. 13: Costa Rica (h)
Nov. 12: Mexico (h)
Nov. 16: Jamaica (a)
Jan. 27: El Salvador (h)
Jan. 30: Canada (a)
Feb. 2: Honduras (h)
March 24: Mexico (a)
March 27: Panama (h)
March 30: Costa Rica (a)

Now it's just a waiting game to figure out where I'm going for USA/Mexico in Nov. since we'll be given less than 24 hours notice before tickets go on sale and probably less than 6 weeks to book airfare/travel. Still the biggest clown show problem US Soccer needs to address if they ever want to be considered on a serious level in this country.
 
RaceBoarder said:
I was actually eyeing that date as a possible road trip if we can get international travel back online.

Full Schedule

Sept. 2: El Salvador (a)
Sept. 5: Canada (h)
Sept. 8: Honduras (a)
Oct. 7: Jamaica (h)
Oct. 10: Panama (a)
Oct. 13: Costa Rica (h)
Nov. 12: Mexico (h)
Nov. 16: Jamaica (a)
Jan. 27: El Salvador (h)
Jan. 30: Canada (a)
Feb. 2: Honduras (h)
March 24: Mexico (a)
March 27: Panama (h)
March 30: Costa Rica (a)

Now it's just a waiting game to figure out where I'm going for USA/Mexico in Nov. since we'll be given less than 24 hours notice before tickets go on sale and probably less than 6 weeks to book airfare/travel. Still the biggest clown show problem US Soccer needs to address if they ever want to be considered on a serious level in this country.
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Conventional wisdom says the game in Canada will be played in Vancouver since, ya know, it'll be January and BC Place has a roof. Which would be awesome because I am planning to go to Seattle in January to watch a Kraken game.

Though there's chatter that Canada wants play that game somewhere else "outside" (which is a dumb move and only sets them up for a potential protest and forfeit).

Tickets for the Mexico matches are usually like that because they're trying to limit who can buy them and keep some semblance of a home field advantage. It sucks but it is what it is. The real clown show is not the USSF but the approval process that CONCACAF and FIFA requires for venues (and, as evident by the fiasco in Denver this month at the Nations League Final, CONCACAF isn't the best at organizing things), the USSF can't announce the venue until CONCACAF approves it (this is actually a good thing otherwise I shudder to think of the stadiums we'd end up at in Central America) and then they likely have to offer presales to season ticket holders for whatever teams' stadium it is.

On another note, there's rumor that Mexico match may be played in St. Paul instead of Columbus.
 
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