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World Soccer XXI: Don't Tread on the Red, White, and Blue

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FSC asked what viewers wanted tonight: an EPL rerun of Liverpool-Fulham or the WPS game MagicJack-Western NY Flash. So the WPS game is at 7:30 followed by Sounders-Man United.
 
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I was at that Flash - Magic Jack game. Somehow before last week I had no idea that A) Rochester had a women's professional soccer team and B) they're really good and C) they have Marta playing for them. Apparently I'm not the only person to have just made this revelation though, as over 15,000 people showed up tonight. I think many were hoping for a homecoming performance from Abby Wambach, but she actually didn't play. I must admit though that i'm still kind of shocked at the whole Marta thing. Does she live here? Am I going to run into her at the grocery store or something like that? I just wouldn't expect a world-renowned player to be here in Rochester...
 
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I was at that Flash - Magic Jack game. Somehow before last week I had no idea that A) Rochester had a women's professional soccer team and B) they're really good and C) they have Marta playing for them. Apparently I'm not the only person to have just made this revelation though, as over 15,000 people showed up tonight. I think many were hoping for a homecoming performance from Abby Wambach, but she actually didn't play. I must admit though that i'm still kind of shocked at the whole Marta thing. Does she live here? Am I going to run into her at the grocery store or something like that? I just wouldn't expect a world-renowned player to be here in Rochester...

If you run into her at the grocery store, she'll flop. :D
 
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Ha! Probably true. She actually wasn't going quite as all out tonight as she was in the cup games. There were a few spots where a dive definitely would have happened in a men's game but she kept on playing. I was a bit disappointed not to see Wambach and Solo playing, but I can't really blame them for being tired!
 
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I was at that Flash - Magic Jack game. Somehow before last week I had no idea that A) Rochester had a women's professional soccer team and B) they're really good and C) they have Marta playing for them. Apparently I'm not the only person to have just made this revelation though, as over 15,000 people showed up tonight. I think many were hoping for a homecoming performance from Abby Wambach, but she actually didn't play. I must admit though that i'm still kind of shocked at the whole Marta thing. Does she live here? Am I going to run into her at the grocery store or something like that? I just wouldn't expect a world-renowned player to be here in Rochester...

15,404. Highest attendance ever for a WPS game, and it was televised on Fox Soccer Channel. We'll see if a month from now they're still drawing crowds or they go back into obscurity. Was Solo even there? I thought she was on the west coast for an appearance on the Leno show.

I wondered about Marta a few days ago and googled her contract. She has a sweet deal from WPS and her sponsors. Guaranteed 500K in salary (from sponsors) plus the highest salary in WPS (exact numbers aren't released by the league). She also gets a house, an SUV and other stuff. Don't know if the house and car are actually hers, or if they're just leased until her contract is over, but still she's got quite the contract. By comparison, the USWNT members are guaranteed 40K and league scrubs are around 12K.
 
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15,404. Highest attendance ever for a WPS game, and it was televised on Fox Soccer Channel. We'll see if a month from now they're still drawing crowds or they go back into obscurity. Was Solo even there? I thought she was on the west coast for an appearance on the Leno show.

I wondered about Marta a few days ago and googled her contract. She has a sweet deal from WPS and her sponsors. Guaranteed 500K in salary (from sponsors) plus the highest salary in WPS (exact numbers aren't released by the league). She also gets a house, an SUV and other stuff. Don't know if the house and car are actually hers, or if they're just leased until her contract is over, but still she's got quite the contract. By comparison, the USWNT members are guaranteed 40K and league scrubs are around 12K.

I was curious about that. Solo wasn't actually there tonight. Wambach came and gave a halftime speech. As for the crowds, i'm sure they won't continue to sell out, but the Rhinos draw pretty well, and apparently the opening day crowd was pretty solid too. We'll see how long it holds up.

As for the game, Alex Morgan had way more power on her shots than anyone else on the field. I think she's going to be a major player for the national team for a while.
 
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When I went to school at Buffalo this past year I saw a few women with WNY gear in the fitness center, they could have played for the team and were using the facilities, but I obviously had no idea who they were.
 
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Haven't seen much of the Copa, but from what I saw tonight, Venezuela impressed. Can't name a single player on their team, but the speed and skill on display leads me to believe that they have something good brewing. I could be dead wrong, but I think they'll be in the running to qualify for the next World Cup.
 
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Qualifying is going to be super competitive, that's for sure. Especially with Brazil not competing.

Not sad to see Venezuela lose though. Hopefully it does terrible things for Chavez's recovery.
 
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Why is the US playing Mexico right away again on 8/10? Friendly or qualifier? :confused:
 
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Great article on espn insider about US Soccer (Men's and Women's). If someone wants to read it but doesn't have insider, let me know and I'll post the whole article.

The money quote

For the next several years, U.S. fans on both sides of the gender divide may look back at the last three summers -- the 2009 Confederations Cup upset of Spain and near-miss in the final; the dramatic group stage triumph of the 2010 World Cup; and the excitement of this women's World Cup -- as a high-water mark.

I hope that doesn't come true, but the future does look pretty grim.
 
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When I went to school at Buffalo this past year I saw a few women with WNY gear in the fitness center, they could have played for the team and were using the facilities, but I obviously had no idea who they were.

I think the WNY Flash train Buffalo but play in Rochester. I think that was the deal when the Rochester team joined the Buffalo team at the end of last season.

As for Solo and Wambach not playing. Solo injured her ham/quad during the WC and Wambach was playing throughout the WC with a strained Achilles tendon.
 
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The money quote

I hope that doesn't come true, but the future does look pretty grim.
Full Text for those people without extra:
ESPN: U.S. soccer stunted by its own culture said:
A couple of years ago, one of this blog's writers had the opportunity to take his daughter to a soccer clinic featuring Abby Wambach. The U.S. star was appropriately charming and inspiring in front of her rapt audience of 200 or so young girls. More than that, she gave a great tip on heading the ball: Square up to the target, with your hands in front of you, and as you strike the ball, move your hands down and back. "Like you're planting ski poles," she said.

Fast forward two years, with said daughter and writer on the couch, watching Wambach save U.S. Soccer's year with a textbook header to tie Brazil on the way to an unforgettable shootout victory. As ball hit net, writer turned to daughter and said, "ski poles."

Of such fundamentals are great soccer moments made. You can have all the grit, determination and American spirit in the world, but without skill it won't amount to much. That's the scary undercurrent of the American women's wonderful run to the World Cup final.


Not to throw cold water on it -- okay, we are throwing cold water on it -- the U.S. women overachieved in Germany. Sure, they were gritty, determined and all that. But they weren't the most skilled team, not by a long shot.

The U.S. lost to Japan because they weren't talented enough with the ball to build a big lead, or calm enough on the ball to hold a small one. In other words, the women are beset by the same long-term problems that confound the men's squad -- a lack of touch, skill and (Wambach and Alex Morgan excepted) finishing ability compared to the world's best teams.

That situation isn't likely to improve soon. The problem is the culture. This nation's soccer instructional system is still more about rich parents, and the coaches who profit from them, than about teaching young children to master the ball.

These are not novel observations: too much tactical coaching, not enough technical instruction; too many soccer parents trying to teach a game they don't know, not enough small-sided pickup matches that let the game itself teach; too much pay-to-play, not enough opportunities for lower-class kids.

It is nonetheless maddening to see the once-dominant women's team starting to slide for the same reasons the men's team has had such a hard time catching up to the planet's elite. The women's program, whose World Cup victory in '99 did so much for U.S. Soccer when it was still reeling from the men's debacle in France in '98, was built on Title IX and strong, athletic, pioneering players who demanded their sport be taken seriously. But since the turn of the century, serious women's soccer has expanded beyond the U.S. and Scandinavia. Countries already versed in the game started to transfer the culture of the sport to the distaff side. Germany and Brazil became powerhouses. France, Italy and Mexico started producing female players with touch and verve because those countries know how to teach the game. Japan does, too.

The U.S. still doesn't. The culture that built the great U.S. women's teams was based on parents who loved their daughters, but who didn't necessarily love soccer. Those parents saw a path to confidence, life lessons and college scholarships. But unlike the rest of the world, most of those parents didn't, and don't, see the game as an end in itself. That's why so few people follow the women's professional league here, despite having the chance to see Wambach, Morgan and Marta go head to head.

This culture gap is catching up with the American women. Most American youth coaches still validate their status (and justify their salaries) by winning tournaments, and that will always lead to the recruitment of big, fast kids who can overpower other preteens and earn results. It can put an early-blooming child on a path to an under-14 showcase, which can put her on a path to the NCAA. But it doesn't cultivate creativity and comfort on the ball, the way places like Brazil and France and Japan do. There, coaches don't care who wins a U-12 match. They care whether players can settle a heavy pass with one deft touch or use guile and footwork to escape double-teams. American kids? Too many of them spend more time in minivans traveling to meaningless tournaments than they do on the ball.

In fairness, U.S. Soccer is trying hard to change the system. But that project is just starting, and it's akin to turning around a supertanker.

In the meantime, the rest of the world's women's teams are rising, and the U.S. will find it increasingly harder to maintain its elite status.

For the men, an encouraging number of young professionals abroad is offset by a sensational generation of Mexican players; Chicharito and Co. have the potential to make U.S. fans miserable for a decade.

That prospect leads to a couple of unsettling observations.

Without Wambach's heroics against Brazil, U.S. Soccer would have been on a grim losing streak. A few more seconds, and the women's worst WC showing ever would have been a dreary cap on a year that featured the men's second consecutive World Cup elimination by Ghana, the doomed bid to host the 2022 event, the failure even to qualify for the U-20 men's World Cup and the thrilling but ultimately crushing Gold Cup loss to El Tri.

With the United States years away from reaping the rewards of its new development initiative, and men's and women's soccer improving around the world, the frustration American fans felt this summer at the conclusion of both the women's World Cup and the Gold Cup might just be foreshadowing.

For the next several years, U.S. fans on both sides of the gender divide may look back at the last three summers -- the 2009 Confederations Cup upset of Spain and near-miss in the final; the dramatic group stage triumph of the 2010 World Cup; and the excitement of this women's World Cup -- as a high-water mark.

More "ski poles," please. And footskills.

Quickly.
 
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Abby, Hope and Alex sign endorsement deal with Bank of America.

Solo, Wambach and Morgan have reached an agreement on an endorsement deal with Bank of America, according to spokesman Joe Goode.

The trio will serve as spokespeople for a charitable program around the Bank of America Chicago Marathon in October. An announcement could come as soon as tomorrow.

The marketing deal would be among the first for the stars of the U.S. Women's team since their march through the 2011 Women's World Cup in Germany. The team's performance peaked with an upset over Brazil -- but ended with a gut-wrenching loss to Japan in the final.
 
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SI Cover this week:
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The third qualifying round for the Champions League is set. Hi-light include Rubin Kazan- Dynamo Kiev, Rangers-Malmo, Macabi Haifa-Maribo.

Question, I thought Man City had to play a playoff round becaue they finished third. Not hating on them, just wondering why they got advanced to the group stage because I thought 3rd and 4th in the EPL had to go through a playoff.
 
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