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World Soccer XIX- Full of Pomp-ey and Circumstance

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where are all these people supposed to stay? I seem to recall something stating Qatar has only 11000 hotel beds. I know theres some pie in the sky plan to dismantle Qatar's billions of dollars worth of stadiums and ship them around the world, but will they do the same thing to hotels? Or are they simply going to set up gigantic air conditioned tents out in the desert for the crowds that would theoretically show up?

I'm going to love watching a Cup where 90 percent of the venues are half empty.
 
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I found FIFA and Qatar's Official World Cup Theme for 2022.

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BoomGoestheDynamite said:
where are all these people supposed to stay? I seem to recall something stating Qatar has only 11000 hotel beds.
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Doha is trying to bill/build itself as "the Singapore of the Middle East." I can imagine them building a phalanx of Burj Dubais with 50k hotel rooms each.

But this whole thing smacks of an event for the jet set business class (the kind of people who have apartments in the actual Burj Dubai, for that matter). I can imagine them building one main venue for the final and then playing the rest of the games on a TV soundstage flanked by $100M luxury boxes for Arabian peninsula billionaries. That would probably turn a bigger profit.
 
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sad
Just a few hours ago, FIFA announced the host of the 2022 FIFA World Cup™. Despite our best efforts, the United States was not chosen for this honor.

There's no way around it: I am disappointed. Millions of U.S. soccer fans worked hard to bring the World Cup to our country. To come up short is very difficult to take.

But in the face of this disappointment, we shouldn't lose track of all that we achieved. During the past two years, the outpouring of support for soccer in the United States has been inspiring and historic. More than one million people signed on to our Bid, and more than 100 million watched last summer's World Cup.

Thanks to your efforts, the Game is stronger than ever in our country, and it will continue to grow stronger. There's no question that you've helped make a lasting impact on soccer in the United States. The entire country – and the entire world – took notice.

Even though our Bid did not win, the future of soccer is bright in the United States. You've proven to the world that The Game Is In You, and that The Game Is In US.

Thank you for all that you've done.

Sincerely,

Sunil Gulati
President
U.S. Soccer
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So, just curious. Assuming FIFA doesn't change the continental rotation rules again (bad assumption, I know), is there anyone besides the U.S. that could get 2026?
Europe and Asia would be out.
The Aussies no longer count as Oceania.
Both South America and Africa will have hosted more recently than North America.
Mexico makes Russia look like paradise by comparison.

I'm guessing Argentina or Chile make a bid. As do Egypt and one or two other African nations, though I don't see them going to Northern Africa immediately after the Gulf.

If the US says screw you, we're not bidding again so soon, then what?

Europe will get it back in 2030, and China's guaranteed to get the Cup in 2034 (if not sooner if FIFA relaxes their rotation policy again). Which makes it all the more surprising FIFA went with Qatar. If they had gone U.S. here, then China could've gotten 2026.
 
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Why do you say that JF? I think it would come down to USA, Canada, South America. I had heard Uruguay and Argentina were working on a joint bid.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
Why do you say that JF? I think it would come down to USA, Canada, South America. I had heard Uruguay and Argentina were working on a joint bid.
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The Uru/Arg bid I think is for the 2030 100th anniversary, which should set up a battle royale with UEFA if they stick with the rotation policy.

If CONEMBOL stays out, its essentially the US against Africa or maybe Mexico.
 
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unofan said:
So, just curious. Assuming FIFA doesn't change the continental rotation rules again (bad assumption, I know), is there anyone besides the U.S. that could get 2026?
Europe and Asia would be out.
The Aussies no longer count as Oceania.
Both South America and Africa will have hosted more recently than North America.
Mexico makes Russia look like paradise by comparison.

I'm guessing Argentina or Chile make a bid. As do Egypt and one or two other African nations, though I don't see them going to Northern Africa immediately after the Gulf.

If the US says screw you, we're not bidding again so soon, then what?

Europe will get it back in 2030, and China's guaranteed to get the Cup in 2034 (if not sooner if FIFA relaxes their rotation policy again). Which makes it all the more surprising FIFA went with Qatar. If they had gone U.S. here, then China could've gotten 2026.
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Well, most likely FIFA will completely redo their rotation policies and Europe will be back in play for 2026. China will be a lock for 2030 if they redo the rotation policy, and I can't see FIFA going 16 years between European hosts. Therefore, I'd really have to think that Europe will get 2026, China in 2030, and then it will open up for North America in 2034. I don't really think that Mexico would get to host for a third time, and the rest of Central/Latin America doesn't have the capability/money to host. That leaves the US and Canada, and US would win that battle.

JF_Gophers said:
2026 I believe is already in theory promised to South America again.
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North America will get it before South America. What will be weird is that Asia will get the cup (most likely) 3 times since North America last hosted.
 
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There is no more rotation policy:

http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/bidders/2018/media/newsid=625122.html

As from 2018, the hosting of the FIFA World Cup™ will cease to be rotated. Under the chairmanship of President Joseph S. Blatter, the FIFA Executive Committee today - 29 October 2007 - unanimously passed a decision to abandon the principle (originally introduced in the year 2000) of rotating the men's World Cup from continent to continent. The confederations whose associations have hosted the two preceding World Cups will not be eligible to bid, however. Consequently, all the associations from Asia, North and Central America and the Caribbean, Oceania and Europe may bid for the 2018 FIFA World Cup™.

One of the reasons for changing the rotation principle was the fact that only one candidate - Brazil - is still in contention for the 2014 FIFA World Cup that is due to be awarded tomorrow, Tuesday, 30 October 2007. The executive stated explicitly that eligibility to host the World Cup should no longer be restricted to the rotation principle as it was also in FIFA's interests to maintain true competition among several candidates. The provision regarding the exclusion of bids from associations belonging to the two previous host confederations will require an amendment to the FIFA Statutes at the 2008 FIFA Congress.

"The rotation principle has served its purpose and has enabled us to award our most prestigious competition to Africa for the first time and, depending on tomorrow's decision, to South America for the first time in many years," commented Blatter.
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The part in bold is the relevant policy now. That means there's some degree of rotation, but it doesn't determine who gets rotated in. Best case, a confederation hosts once every 3 cycles.

Still, for the purposes of illustration:

1950s - 1998: de facto rotation between Europe and the Americas.

1950 - South America
1954 - Europe
1958 - Europe
1962 - South America
1966 - Europe
1970 - North America
1974 - Europe
1978 - South America
1982 - Europe
1986 - North America (but really awarded to South America)
1990 - Europe
1994 - North America
1998 - Europe
2002 - Asia
2006 - Europe
2010 - Africa
2014 - South America
2018 - Europe
2022 - Asia
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
Why do you say that JF? I think it would come down to USA, Canada, South America. I had heard Uruguay and Argentina were working on a joint bid.
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If Uru/Arg want 2030 then 2026 will be open again. They wouldn't get 2 in a row to the same continent.
 
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blockski said:
The part in bold is the relevant policy now. That means there's some degree of rotation, but it doesn't determine who gets rotated in. Best case, a confederation hosts once every 3 cycles.
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Right, which is the assumption we've been working under. Once every 3rd cycle is pretty close to a rotation. Though everyone's admitted that FIFA can change that whenever it wants to (and likely will, especially if it wants to get China involved sooner than 2034).

Frankly, I'm surprised they don't just set it as follows:
X:Europe
X+4:Africa/Asia/Oceania
X+8:N/S America

If they really keep it the way it is, that's going to be how it turns out more often than not, anyway.
 
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unofan said:
Frankly, I'm surprised they don't just set it as follows:
X:Europe
X+4:Africa/Asia/Oceania
X+8:N/S America

If they really keep it the way it is, that's going to be how it turns out more often than not, anyway.
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I think part of it was the fact that FIFA didn't get any competition between bidding nations for 2014 - it was just Brazil.

With that rotation, I think it's unlikely that you'd have more than a handful of nations competing in each cycle. Europe has lots of potential hosts, but the Americas really only have 4 plausible ones - the US, Mexico, Brazil, and Argentina. Perhaps you can lump another joint bid in there (like Uruguay/Argentina), but that's it.

For Africa/Asia/Oceania, the pool is a little larger - South Africa, Egypt, China, Korea, Japan, Australia.

The cynic in me is saying that if you announce your rotation in advance, that makes it a lot harder to be bribed when it comes to decision making time.
 
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blockski said:
The cynic in me is saying that if you announce your rotation in advance, that makes it a lot harder to be bribed when it comes to decision making time.
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I can think of a couple non-cynical (or at least non-FIFA-self-serving) reasons:

1. Keeps interest at max level if everybody thinks they have a shot.

2. Minimizes likelihood of collusion ("you scratch my back this time, I scratch yours next time").

Why do they announce two at once? That seems to me to actually increase the likelihood of collusion.
 
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MountieBoyOz said:
AP reports England eliminated first. BBC funding has been cut to a brass farthing. :D
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I'd go the other way with it. Give them all the money they want to unearth every single FIFA skeleton. Turn MI-6 loose on it if there's anybody sitting around twiddling their thumbs. Turn the sunlight on those cockroaches up to 11.
 
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