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World Soccer X: Duh, duh, duh, duh...The Champions!
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jmh
win or lose, we booze
Re: World Soccer X: Duh, duh, duh, duh...The Champions!
Villa outplayed Fulham by leaps and bounds. No complaints with that result.
Nigel Winterburn's accent is Brummie, I think, judging by where he grew up.
Speaking of which: excellent collection of archival sound recordings of various accents from the British Library.
Villa outplayed Fulham by leaps and bounds. No complaints with that result.
Nigel Winterburn's accent is Brummie, I think, judging by where he grew up.
Speaking of which: excellent collection of archival sound recordings of various accents from the British Library.
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Profit off us?
MLS is a single-entity league. Team owners aren't really team owners, they're owner/operators. What's good for the team is good for the league.
No special concessions have been made for the mini-goats. They abide by the same salary cap, the same roster rules, etc.
I think branding the team after Chivas was a mistake, but they've done much better in the attendance department since they started marketing in English as well as Spanish. And they've put together a pretty darn good team.
This is business, not personal. In my opinion, that organization adds a lot to MLS (even despite the brand). They're one of the ones pushing to increase the salary cap and increase the level of play.
Profit off us?
MLS is a single-entity league. Team owners aren't really team owners, they're owner/operators. What's good for the team is good for the league.
No special concessions have been made for the mini-goats. They abide by the same salary cap, the same roster rules, etc.
I think branding the team after Chivas was a mistake, but they've done much better in the attendance department since they started marketing in English as well as Spanish. And they've put together a pretty darn good team.
This is business, not personal. In my opinion, that organization adds a lot to MLS (even despite the brand). They're one of the ones pushing to increase the salary cap and increase the level of play.
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
Re: World Soccer X: Duh, duh, duh, duh...The Champions!
I should say on this note that last week I was at the Seattle - New England while I was down in Seattle visiting family. Having watched a lot of their games on tv this season I've known that the crowds and games have been pretty good but, after being to one in person, I have to say that it is pretty awesome. 32,000 people. Pretty much of all them standing, cheering, chanting, singing, clad in green. It's a sight to behold for sure.
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And of course Fletcher both hacks down Arshavin in the box and handballs, and neither is called. The yellows were ridiculous, with Valencia's elbow to Vermaelen's head going uncalled, as well as serial fouling by Fletcher the whole game getting the blind eye. It's amazing how every time something like the elbow would happen, the announcers would chirp about how there was no bad intent to it, so nothing should be called. And then Arsenal picks up 6 yellows for virtually nothing. Mike Dean was awful.
It's just business as usual at Old Trafford. At least they've announced Wenger will receive an apology for the ridiculous treatment he received at the end of the game. Even bad by OT standards.
Problem is, Rooney kicked the ball beyond where he could possibly reach it, thus Almunia tripping him up is immaterial. No penalty if you're not Wayne Rooney or at Old Trafford. Similar to the play a few years ago when Rio barged Ljundberg over and the claim was that Freddie played the ball farther than he could reach, except he was much further upfield and it was a lot less cut and dried than this situation.
And of course Fletcher both hacks down Arshavin in the box and handballs, and neither is called. The yellows were ridiculous, with Valencia's elbow to Vermaelen's head going uncalled, as well as serial fouling by Fletcher the whole game getting the blind eye. It's amazing how every time something like the elbow would happen, the announcers would chirp about how there was no bad intent to it, so nothing should be called. And then Arsenal picks up 6 yellows for virtually nothing. Mike Dean was awful.
It's just business as usual at Old Trafford. At least they've announced Wenger will receive an apology for the ridiculous treatment he received at the end of the game. Even bad by OT standards.
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And because this took place right before an international break, we're going to go round and round for two weeks. Joy.
One of the reasons I dislike international breaks is how crappy FSC's selection of qualifiers is. Saturday, their only UEFA qualifier is Georgia v. Italy, with some Saudi Arabia/Bahrain before that.
I blame Bretos.
And because this took place right before an international break, we're going to go round and round for two weeks. Joy.
One of the reasons I dislike international breaks is how crappy FSC's selection of qualifiers is. Saturday, their only UEFA qualifier is Georgia v. Italy, with some Saudi Arabia/Bahrain before that.
I blame Bretos.
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You can't trip a player in the box who has possession. Are you trying to claim that almunnia's play wasn't stupid? It was and arsenal paid the ultimate price.
Absolutely unbelievable from you. Go back and watch the game from last May and look at the treatment arsenal gave to Evra. Arsenal got what they deserved to say the least.
You can't trip a player in the box who has possession. Are you trying to claim that almunnia's play wasn't stupid? It was and arsenal paid the ultimate price.
Absolutely unbelievable from you. Go back and watch the game from last May and look at the treatment arsenal gave to Evra. Arsenal got what they deserved to say the least.
Slap Shot
I got nothing
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You don't have possession when you've kicked the ball out of bounds, as Rooney did. Almunia's play was stupid, but meaningless if Dean hadn't been intimidated by the OT crowd and Ferguson. And of course Rooney was already falling before Almunia touched him, but he knows he'll get the call at OT, just like his gross simulation did when he fell over Sol Campbell's leg, without touching it, to get a penalty and end Arsenal's 49 game unbeaten streak.
Evra? That guy is one hard-nosed player who dishes out more than he gets on a regular basis. So Arsenal are a bunch of hardmen, when Evra last spring was talking about how playing Arsenal was men versus boys? You can do better than that to argue the ManU side. Hey, even I could.
You don't have possession when you've kicked the ball out of bounds, as Rooney did. Almunia's play was stupid, but meaningless if Dean hadn't been intimidated by the OT crowd and Ferguson. And of course Rooney was already falling before Almunia touched him, but he knows he'll get the call at OT, just like his gross simulation did when he fell over Sol Campbell's leg, without touching it, to get a penalty and end Arsenal's 49 game unbeaten streak.
Evra? That guy is one hard-nosed player who dishes out more than he gets on a regular basis. So Arsenal are a bunch of hardmen, when Evra last spring was talking about how playing Arsenal was men versus boys? You can do better than that to argue the ManU side. Hey, even I could.
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Now, on the PK. It's textbook. You take out the player with the ball in the box, without getting the ball, and you can't tell if he would have the time to recorrect. He may have been chipping it over the diving keeper to play it after he got past him. If Almunia doesn't make contact with Rooney, it's very likely the ball goes out of play with no harm to Arsenal. However, if Rooney touches the bill a bit more gracefully over Almunia, and Almunia misses Rooney, he can still bury that ball. It's the contact that made the decision easy.
Agreed on Evra. He is a throwback defender, in the Jaap Stam mode (just a little cleaner than Stam). I absolutely love watching him play, and wish he was English.
Now, on the PK. It's textbook. You take out the player with the ball in the box, without getting the ball, and you can't tell if he would have the time to recorrect. He may have been chipping it over the diving keeper to play it after he got past him. If Almunia doesn't make contact with Rooney, it's very likely the ball goes out of play with no harm to Arsenal. However, if Rooney touches the bill a bit more gracefully over Almunia, and Almunia misses Rooney, he can still bury that ball. It's the contact that made the decision easy.
Terrierbyassociation
Fight Cancer, Wherever You Find It
Re: World Soccer X: Duh, duh, duh, duh...The Champions!
I don't think you can complain about the penalty being given, but look at the way the ref waved play on after Arshavin was destroyed by Fletcher in the box right before Arshavin scored.
If we're looking at the consistency we're seeing something sorely lacking.
To expect a penalty at OT is ludicrous. But it's not ludicrous to ask a referee to swallow his whistle to make it a little more fair.
While the foul on Rooney was textbook the referee could have used common sense, and looked at the fouls earlier that he had been allowing Fletcher in particular to commit with nary a card or whistle or stern talking to and swallowed the whistle.
Let's be honest here. I know, expecting that from a ManU fan is pretty unlikely.
If the game was fairly called:
1) Fletcher would have been sent off for the persistent fouling+handball(s)
2) Rooney's PK would have been given but so would Arshavin's.
3) Potentially two more penalties for Arsenal for handballs by ManU.
I think Arsenal has legitimate gripes :but *not* about the penalty that was given but more for the penalties that were NOT given.
I don't think you can complain about the penalty being given, but look at the way the ref waved play on after Arshavin was destroyed by Fletcher in the box right before Arshavin scored.
If we're looking at the consistency we're seeing something sorely lacking.
To expect a penalty at OT is ludicrous. But it's not ludicrous to ask a referee to swallow his whistle to make it a little more fair.
While the foul on Rooney was textbook the referee could have used common sense, and looked at the fouls earlier that he had been allowing Fletcher in particular to commit with nary a card or whistle or stern talking to and swallowed the whistle.
Let's be honest here. I know, expecting that from a ManU fan is pretty unlikely.
If the game was fairly called:
1) Fletcher would have been sent off for the persistent fouling+handball(s)
2) Rooney's PK would have been given but so would Arshavin's.
3) Potentially two more penalties for Arsenal for handballs by ManU.
I think Arsenal has legitimate gripes :but *not* about the penalty that was given but more for the penalties that were NOT given.
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Common sense? From an FA ref?
Terrierbyassociation
Fight Cancer, Wherever You Find It
Re: World Soccer X: Duh, duh, duh, duh...The Champions!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/8232544.stm
What a flying load of crap. One guy dives and he gets banned for two games.
Never banned all the Italian guys who dive all the time, never banned Kaka ONE fricken time or any of the Brazilian moppets.
But you ban Eduardo after doing it once.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/8232544.stm
What a flying load of crap. One guy dives and he gets banned for two games.
Never banned all the Italian guys who dive all the time, never banned Kaka ONE fricken time or any of the Brazilian moppets.
But you ban Eduardo after doing it once.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
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Re: World Soccer X: Duh, duh, duh, duh...The Champions!
Even worse when you consider what happened to Eduardo's leg not so long ago.
Even worse when you consider what happened to Eduardo's leg not so long ago.
Terrierbyassociation
Fight Cancer, Wherever You Find It
Re: World Soccer X: Duh, duh, duh, duh...The Champions!
I think the guy who did that to Eduardo got 3 games.
Breaking his leg with a brutally dirty tackle = 3 games.
Diving = 2 games.
I think the guy who did that to Eduardo got 3 games.
Breaking his leg with a brutally dirty tackle = 3 games.
Diving = 2 games.
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This is a joke, even by UEFA standards. Heck, you could have Bud Selig running the place and they'd make more sense. And everyone knows what I think of Bud Selig. I won't even say much about them being the slightest bit consistent, as we know this won't be an on-going wave of diving calls and suspensions. One of the biggest precedents though is that you've got them redoing something that a referee made a call on and has publicly stated he stood by his call. What would have been a yellow in game is morphed into a two game suspension while undermining the referee. Reffing is enough of a mess. This just makes it even worse.
This is a joke, even by UEFA standards. Heck, you could have Bud Selig running the place and they'd make more sense. And everyone knows what I think of Bud Selig. I won't even say much about them being the slightest bit consistent, as we know this won't be an on-going wave of diving calls and suspensions. One of the biggest precedents though is that you've got them redoing something that a referee made a call on and has publicly stated he stood by his call. What would have been a yellow in game is morphed into a two game suspension while undermining the referee. Reffing is enough of a mess. This just makes it even worse.
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Different disciplinary bodies. I think the FA went too easy on the guy who broke Eduardo's leg, personally.
Edit: To wit, Axel Witsel of Standard Liege got banned for 10 league matches and 1 cup match for a leg-breaking tackle, and UEFA may wade in and ban him from one or more CL matches.
Then, too, the only way I would consider two games for diving remotely reasonable is if the proper caution for simulation would have brought a one game suspension (thus, one game for the proper punishment plus one game for fooling the ref).
Different disciplinary bodies. I think the FA went too easy on the guy who broke Eduardo's leg, personally.
Edit: To wit, Axel Witsel of Standard Liege got banned for 10 league matches and 1 cup match for a leg-breaking tackle, and UEFA may wade in and ban him from one or more CL matches.
Then, too, the only way I would consider two games for diving remotely reasonable is if the proper caution for simulation would have brought a one game suspension (thus, one game for the proper punishment plus one game for fooling the ref).
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