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World Cup Soccer XVII: There can only be ONE!!!11!!!

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A bunch of the younger guys (Lloris and Mandanda, Gourcuff and Toulalan and Diaby and Gignac) are going to have to be brought back into the fold sooner or later if they don't want to shoot themselves in the foot for WC2014 (and even Euro 2012), but I think some of the veterans (Anelka obviously, Henry, Abidal, Malouda, Govou) will not see another callup. It'll be interesting to see what happens with Evra (the captain probably has to bear some responsibility for the out-of-control team) and Ribery (who seems to be the source of a lot of the strife within the team, particularly involving Gourcuff who I think has to be considered a key member of the team going forward).

Probably the best after the mess they had there in South Africa. Get a good core of guys who didn't get to go to SA, who were emberrassed by how the team behaved down there, get them all on the same page and then start thinking about who else they can bring into the team without spoiling the soup.
 
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My obligatory artsy-fartsy shot (not bad for a camera phone) of Red Bull Arena:

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Brazil releases squad for upcoming friendly against the US.
Alexandre Pato - Milan

André - Santos
André Santos - Fenerbahçe
Carlos Eduardo - Hoffenhein
Daniel Alves - Barcelona
David Luís - Benfica
Diego Tardelli - Atlético Mineiro
Ederson - Lyon
Paulo Henrique Ganso - Santos
Henrique - Racing Santander
Hernanes - São Paulo
Jeferson - Botafogo
Jucilei - Corinthians
Lucas - Liverpool
Marcelo - Real Madrid
Neymar - Santos
Rafael - Manchester United
Ramires - Benfica
Renan - Avaí
Rever - Atlético Mineiro
Robinho - Santos
Sandro - Internacional
Thiago Silva - Milan]
Victor - Grêmio

A few big names, lots of guys from the Brazilian league.
 
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Yep. Like it a lot. Miles better than Giants Stadium for a soccer game. More thoughts in this post that I wrote on Thursday night, and also some stadium and stadium-food commentary in this blog post.

I read your first link and agree with you on the PATH. Also, ever since I saw Tim Ream at the beginning of the season he's been my favorite MLS player, he's one of the few defenders I've seen with better ball skills than most mids/forwards. He always seems to be in the right place at the right time and looks effortless in his defensive play (a good thing). I'm thinking by the end of next MLS season he'll have a few caps to his stat card.
 
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Please Arsene, please spend some money to bring in a decent keeper and another central defender at Arsenal! The need is even more glaringly obvious than it was last summer!
 
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Sacha Klejstan just scored in his first game for Anderlecht in the Champions League against The New Saints.

That's right, Sacha Klejstan, Champions League goalscorer.
 
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Reports I'm seeing are that later this week Rafa Marquez will sign for the Red Bulls, who are set to become the first team to take advantage of the new rule that allows a team to pay a $250,000 luxury tax for the right to sign a third designated player. He'll instantly be the team's best defensive player, but why does a player I can't stand finally leave a team I like and then just go sign for another team I like? Why can't the Red Bulls think of my feelings on the matter, huh? :mad: :D
 
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Q&A with Don Garber before the All-Star Game...

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/soc/7124564.html

One interesting thing that stood out:

Q: At what point did you feel comfortable saying that the MLS has arrived, and what does the league have to do to thrive? Arrive meaning they’re here to stay, not going anywhere and thrive meaning owners in every city and not multiple owners.

A: I think the new era of Major League Soccer started in 2005 with our expansion with Salt Lake and Los Angeles, continued in San Jose and then Toronto and then obviously thereafter. We began to really feel that we were managing a very stable and viable business when more and more investors started coming into the league. Since 2005, we’ve added 14 new owners. We’ve invested more than $1.2 billion in soccer stadiums since 2005. In 2007 we signed long-term television deals with ESPN, Fox and Univision that began paying us rights fees. In 2005 we signed a 10-year, $150 million deal with Adidas, and David Beckham joined the league in 2007. It was at that time that we really began to feel that this league is here to stay and our best years were ahead. Our goal is to be one of the top soccer leagues in the world. We believe we can achieve that goal. And I don’t believe American fans would accept anything less. To achieve that we need to have the best American players playing in Major League Soccer. We need to have some of the best international players in our game. We need to have 20 to 24 teams. All of our teams will be playing in stadiums they own and control and our league’s an important part of the U.S. sports landscape. I believe that’s an achievable goal.

Whoa... anyone else ever hear about this 24 teams business? I thought expansion was going to stop at 20. But 24? Let's not do to MLS what happened to the NHL...
 
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I got my threads mixed up and thought that was about MLB. The idea of an MLB with the current depth of talent limited to 20-24 teams is wonderful. :)
 
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Q&A with Don Garber before the All-Star Game...

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/soc/7124564.html

One interesting thing that stood out:



Whoa... anyone else ever hear about this 24 teams business? I thought expansion was going to stop at 20. But 24? Let's not do to MLS what happened to the NHL...

What NHL problems are you worried about?

Talent? Soccer's got a much deeper, global talent pool - plus the MLS academies are starting to produce homegrown talent.

Markets? This isn't hockey - you can sell soccer just about anywhere, it's not like taking hockey to Nashville or Fort Lauderdale.

Money? MLS is cost contained. They have a salary cap, things won't be spiraling out of control. Likewise, it's not like owners are getting fat off of expansion fees. Expansion fees are set at a level equivalent to the purchase price of a team in the league (since that's essentially what you are doing). The current set of owners has pretty deep pockets and are in it for the long haul.

The requirements for ownership are fairly simple - have money, have a stadium plan with revenue control, and have a market. There are plenty of those still out there for MLS, so I don't see what negatives there are for expansion. Putting an artificial cap on league size (especially without any sort of time frame attached) isn't prudent, either.

Garber is saying what needs to be said. He lets potential investors know that there are still opportunities - just not unlimited ones.
 
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What NHL problems are you worried about?

Talent? Soccer's got a much deeper, global talent pool - plus the MLS academies are starting to produce homegrown talent.

Markets? This isn't hockey - you can sell soccer just about anywhere, it's not like taking hockey to Nashville or Fort Lauderdale.
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Yes, soccer has a more global talent pool. Still, that's no guarantee MLS would actually be able to sign those players.

You can sell soccer just about anywhere? Really? Try telling that to FC Dallas and their 10,000 or so fans in a 22,000 seat stadium. Or to Miami, who already failed to support an MLS franchise once, yet are somehow in the running for another one. Markets totally do matter.
 
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What NHL problems are you worried about?

MLS undoubtedly has a closer eye on their finances than the NHL did in the 80s and 90s. But it's still a cause of concern to see rapid expansion, even in the cost-contained atmosphere that exists in MLS. How much of MLS's healthy bottom line is due to the fact that there are currently six teams that have come into the league in the last seven seasons, with three more on the way in the next two years? That's a lot of new money being thrown around the league, and we haven't seen anyone pause to see if these teams are strong enough to maintain that stability on their own.
 
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Did anyone see the goal celebration that was on SportsCenter this morning?

Good Lord that was amazing.
 
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Yes, soccer has a more global talent pool. Still, that's no guarantee MLS would actually be able to sign those players.

Not to be too curt, but yes, there is. MLS won't have trouble filling rosters. One of the big concerns with MLB expansion was that the talent level went down, particularly for pitching. Well, that may be the case when you're the top baseball league in the world. MLS isn't the top soccer league in the world, there is both a much broader talent pool to draw from and much deeper one - expansion means more players, but asserting that they will only be worse players is false.

That said, MLS doesn't get enough credit for the quality that's already here. Even so, the league isn't the most talented, nobody disputes that - so what is there to degrade?

MLB's talent pool (and the NHL's) had nowhere to go but down. That's not the case here.

You can sell soccer just about anywhere? Really? Try telling that to FC Dallas and their 10,000 or so fans in a 22,000 seat stadium. Or to Miami, who already failed to support an MLS franchise once, yet are somehow in the running for another one. Markets totally do matter.

FC Dallas' attendance sucks, yes - but they were also profitable not too long ago. Miami's franchise failed due to an owner without enough capital.

And of course markets matter - I said as much in my expansion criteria. But are you seriously going to argue that selling soccer in, say, Toronto is the same as selling ice hockey in a place that never sees natural ice? That's my point - the sport has more of an natural entry point to every market.

MLS undoubtedly has a closer eye on their finances than the NHL did in the 80s and 90s. But it's still a cause of concern to see rapid expansion, even in the cost-contained atmosphere that exists in MLS. How much of MLS's healthy bottom line is due to the fact that there are currently six teams that have come into the league in the last seven seasons, with three more on the way in the next two years? That's a lot of new money being thrown around the league, and we haven't seen anyone pause to see if these teams are strong enough to maintain that stability on their own.

The expansion fees might have helped cover the losses suffered in the early years, but there is absolutely no evidence that MLS is using expansion fees to cover current operating expenses.

The salary budget is only 2.5 million per team. MLS alone gets 15 million a year from Adidas - that sponsorship covers the full salaries of 6 teams.

If the league were expanding for the sake of expanding, you wouldn't see new teams ponying up for brand new stadiums (Toronto, Philly, Portland's renovation, SLC, etc).
 
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Not to be too curt, but yes, there is. MLS won't have trouble filling rosters. One of the big concerns with MLB expansion was that the talent level went down, particularly for pitching. Well, that may be the case when you're the top baseball league in the world. MLS isn't the top soccer league in the world, there is both a much broader talent pool to draw from and much deeper one - expansion means more players, but asserting that they will only be worse players is false.

That said, MLS doesn't get enough credit for the quality that's already here. Even so, the league isn't the most talented, nobody disputes that - so what is there to degrade?

MLB's talent pool (and the NHL's) had nowhere to go but down. That's not the case here.

I can't speak to my own personal experience since I don't remember watching with a critical eye back then, but there are more than a few people who claim the quality of play in MLS has dropped noticeably since the first few seasons back in the 90s. If the talent pool is so broad, should that have happened? Also, the MLS roster rules only give 8 slots for international players on each roster. Those spots can be traded, but there still has to be a sizable number of Americans at each club. The talent pool there is not as broad, and while academies are beginning to produce players, I doubt they'll ever get to a point of filling all the slots.

FC Dallas' attendance sucks, yes - but they were also profitable not too long ago. Miami's franchise failed due to an owner without enough capital.

And of course markets matter - I said as much in my expansion criteria. But are you seriously going to argue that selling soccer in, say, Toronto is the same as selling ice hockey in a place that never sees natural ice? That's my point - the sport has more of an natural entry point to every market.

I'm not arguing your point about selling the NHL down south v. selling soccer.
However, you said "You can sell soccer pretty much anywhere." That is clearly not the case. Look at Dallas. Look at Colorado to some extent. Heck, you could even argue that Columbus should be drawing better than they are.
I guess my point is, you better have a darn good understanding of who your target fans are and how to reach them if you want to sell soccer in some areas.
 
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