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World Cup Soccer XVII: There can only be ONE!!!11!!!

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btw - I haven't paid much attention lately to the MLS friendlies, but what's the general consensus on the level of play, have the international teams brought full sides, and can we say anything about the future of the MLS from what's taken place?


Almost none of the World Cup player have come over, so the line-ups are lacking the stars. The MLS teams I've seen haven't embarrassed themselves.



I don't follow the EPL too closely, but when I do, I usually cheer for Chelsea. A friend of mine is a big Chelsea fan and when I go to his house to watch Games I cheer for them too. It's hard to find a fellow soccer fan in a city of 8,000 in Northern Minnesota, so I'll cheer for Chelsea if necessary. ;)
 
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btw - I haven't paid much attention lately to the MLS friendlies, but what's the general consensus on the level of play, have the international teams brought full sides, and can we say anything about the future of the MLS from what's taken place?
I haven't watched a ton on TV, but I went to the Red Bulls - Tottenham match last night, and the Red Bulls - Barcelona match two years ago. Judging by those:

The international teams have brought mostly full sides. Spurs had their full team except for the players who were at the World Cup this summer (which I don't think is uncommon; Fulham's guys who played at the World Cup haven't been in any of their three friendlies so far, all played in Europe); Barcelona had their full team except for Messi, who was at the Olympics at the time.

I find it tough to make judgments about the level of play, because the MLS players are match fit, whereas the Europe-based teams are in preseason and are just getting their legs back under them. I think in terms of pure athletic ability, MLS guys aren't significantly behind. They're all capable of running for 90 minutes, jumping up in the air, withstanding a shoulder charge, that sort of thing; the fastest guy on the field for Spurs (Bale) isn't significantly faster than the fastest guy on the field for RBNY (Richards). Yeah, Joel Lindpere might get muscled off the ball by Tom Huddlestone, but Danny Murphy will get muscled off the ball by Tom Huddlestone too.

RBNY didn't look like they didn't belong on the same field as Spurs or anything, they actually controlled long stretches of play and probably had the edge in good scoring chances; both of the goals Spurs scored were the direct result of indecisive play by RBNY's backup goalkeeper. But of course, a lot of that is probably due to rust; if match fit, you'd expect Spurs' B team (this wasn't a B team, more like an A2 team, since they did have Bale and Modric and Kranjcar and Huddlestone and Jenas and Corluka on the field) to look more competitive, but I don't think RBNY would get played off the field by them. (On the other hand, I don't think they would've been able to handle Crouch and Defoe at all.)

In contrast, they really didn't look remotely competitive in a 6-2 loss against Barcelona, but like I said this was Barcelona's A team except for Messi. (This was before most of us knew who Pedro and Busquets and Bojan and Jeffren were, but they all looked very good too.) But plenty of teams in Spain and around Europe didn't look competitive against that year's Barcelona team either, so I don't know how much you can read into it.

I guess one way you might be able to look at is, how does the performance of MLS teams in midseason shape against EPL (etc.) teams in preseason shape compare to the performance of teams from Northern European countries on a spring-fall calendar against those same teams? That might at least give you some idea of how MLS stacks up against those leagues.
 
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ManU (30+ years so don't give me bandwagon) and Newcastle here.

btw - I haven't paid much attention lately to the MLS friendlies, but what's the general consensus on the level of play, have the international teams brought full sides, and can we say anything about the future of the MLS from what's taken place?

celtic really didn't play their first squad against Union, at half they were deep into the roster...I concur with the match fit comments...Celtic looked like they were rusty and still getting into shape. the game was rough, celtic took exception to several early tackles and responded by knocking Roger Torres from the match and the next one.

on a side note, celtic supporters from NYC set off fireworks in the stadium and were arrested. according to the guy with seats in front of me two were still in jail 3 days later, unable to post bail.
 
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The international teams have brought mostly full sides. Spurs had their full team except for the players who were at the World Cup this summer

But of course, a lot of that is probably due to rust; if match fit, you'd expect Spurs' B team (this wasn't a B team, more like an A2 team, since they did have Bale and Modric and Kranjcar and Huddlestone and Jenas and Corluka on the field) to look more competitive, but I don't think RBNY would get played off the field by them. (On the other hand, I don't think they would've been able to handle Crouch and Defoe at all.)

I think A2 is generous. I think B is fairly accurate. Spurs were without:

#1 keeper Huerlho Gomes
First choice strikers Defoe and Crouch (Keane didn't play for them last year)
Bassong, Dawson, King, Assou-Ekotto defensively
Palacios and Lennon in the midfield

Of the guys here, Bale, Modric and Kaboul will start. Pavlyuchenko, Huddlestone and Krancjar will play most every game even if they don't start. Keane is not going to be a Spur this season.
 
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The fatalism on the City message boards tonight is tremendous. It was a friendly with maybe 2 or 3 first team players guys. Settle down.
 
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You know you wanted it done to them in South Africa.

And **** off all of you English Wankers!! FC Bayern Munich ;)
 
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EoDS, you should adopt a team that nobody else roots for. I say go with Wigan, because Roberto Martinez seems like an OK dude.

You should just go with Blackpool for this season. They will be going down so you can choose someone new next year. :D

My sensibilities as a Packer fan make me want to choose one of the original Football League teams, which leaves me with West Brom, Stoke, Everton, Villa, Wolverhampton, Blackburn and Bolton.

But I have to admit that Blackpool and Wigan are intriguing choices as well. And what American hasn't considered rooting for Fulham?

You see the problem I have? Even when I pick an arbitrary reason for who I'll root for, I end up only narrowing the field down to half of the league...
 
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I want to find a crappier English team to root for. One in Conference play. I kind of like Rushden and Diamonds because ... they're called Rushden and Diamonds. Then again, Luton is called the "hatters" which is goofy fun for everyone...
 
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I want to find a crappier English team to root for. One in Conference play. I kind of like Rushden and Diamonds because ... they're called Rushden and Diamonds. Then again, Luton is called the "hatters" which is goofy fun for everyone...

Wimbledon AFC is a nice choice, if you're the kind of person who has pity on fans of a team that moves.

On that note, I would never EVER root for MK Dons.
 
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I want to find a crappier English team to root for. One in Conference play. I kind of like Rushden and Diamonds because ... they're called Rushden and Diamonds. Then again, Luton is called the "hatters" which is goofy fun for everyone...

If you want to find a crappy team to root for, choose Charlton Athletic.

:(
 
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I have kind of a soft spot for Wycombe Wanderers. I remember that famous win they had over Leicster that got them to the FA Cup semi against Liverpool. Future Pirate... err... bad facial hair toting Lawrie Sanchez was managing them at the time.
 
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My advice for picking a team is to pick on that's going to be on TV/internet fairly often.

My team is 1. FC Nuremberg because I lived there for three years and went to a lot of their games when I was in Germany. I admit they are tough to follow because they are only on TV about four times a year and not at all when they drop down to the second division.

It's hard to follow a team you don't see very often. I understand the appeal of picking an obscure team, but for the best experience, I suggest you pick a big club like Arsenal, Manchester United or Everton.
 
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EODS, what intrigues you about Wigan?

Mostly: the fact that they really have no business being in the Premiership. This is the only time they've made it to the top flight, they've sort of hung around by a thread most of the time they've been up, and I have to appreciate the fact that their existence this high up in the food chain is hard to justify every time that they get beaten by 8 goals, yet they manage to stay up.
 
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Mostly: the fact that they really have no business being in the Premiership. This is the only time they've made it to the top flight, they've sort of hung around by a thread most of the time they've been up, and I have to appreciate the fact that their existence this high up in the food chain is hard to justify every time that they get beaten by 8 goals, yet they manage to stay up.
It's sort of curious (for lack of a better word) that they play in what must be one of the only towns in the UK where rugby is bigger than soccer, too.
 
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Mostly: the fact that they really have no business being in the Premiership. This is the only time they've made it to the top flight, they've sort of hung around by a thread most of the time they've been up, and I have to appreciate the fact that their existence this high up in the food chain is hard to justify every time that they get beaten by 8 goals, yet they manage to stay up.

Yeah I can see that. I personally wouldn't mind seeing them relegated in favor of a team with better fan support though.
 
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You know, if Citeh wants to throw 24 million pounds at them for James Milner, I say go for it.

How many players in the world are really worth 24M quid? And is James Milner really one of them?

Villa's crapped out in March and April the last two years not because they didn't have one big talisman, but because they didn't have the depth of solid role players. This team needs four good guys for 5M apiece a lot more than it needs one James Milner.
 
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