Re: Wisconsin vs Total Recall
Are you saying that the UAW is now a public sector union?
Are you saying that the UAW is now a public sector union?
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Wisconsin vs Total Recall
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ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Wisconsin vs Total Recall
The only reason the UAW still exists is because Obama bailed out GM. If he had not and followed Romney's plan GM would be gone and so would the UAW.
The only reason the UAW still exists is because Obama bailed out GM. If he had not and followed Romney's plan GM would be gone and so would the UAW.
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: Wisconsin vs Total Recall
and obviously there are no laborers left in the country without unions...No one can make a decent living as a laborer without the protection of a union...yeah ok.
Re: Wisconsin vs Total Recall
You have no idea how deep the UAW reaches. We have "office assistants" here that all belong to the UAW. We're as far from "automotive" as you can get. GM makes up a tiny, tiny fraction of the UAW. They wouldn't even notice.
Re: Wisconsin vs Total Recall
I think there's a segment of voters in Wisconsin (who may or may not actually support Walker) who are just tired of all the drama. The 2010 election puts Walker in the state house and gives Republicans majorities in both houses of the legislature.
The reaction by big labor? Let's see if we can try mobocracy in Madison. Let's make noise and block doors and hold lawmakers hostage and make a mess. And lets have union "doctors" issue phony medical excuses so we don't have to use our precious vacation or personal days.
Next, let's run to Illinois to hide out and stop the legislature in its tracks. The fact that those hated Repubican legislators were elected is conveniently overlooked.
Then, let's try to reverse the GOP majority in the state senate by recall. And when that fails, we try to change the balance of the supreme court, also by recall. When that fails, let's recall the governor (as I understand it, only the 3rd time in our history that's been tried).
I'm convinced some Wisconsin residents (some who probably oppose Walker) are tired of these shenanigans. If they had wanted to elect the Mayor of Milwaukee, they would have done so. They didn't. How many "do overs" do the goons think they're entitled to? My sense is that when the votes are counted, Walker will have a comfortable margin. I'm also guessing some Wisonsin union members aren't exactly thrilled with the naked self interest displayed by goons, allegedly on their behalf. Solidarity forevever, dude.
It seems to me that the labor movement has over-reacted here. It is not at all a question in my mind of being "anti-" labor, it is more a question of re-balancing. Sort of like an investment portfolio....if one of your investments goes way up relative to the others, you sell some of it and put the sales proceeds into the remaining buckets, so you are back at your target allocation (not that I have much of an investment portfolio, but I've read about them and like to daydream about what it would be like to have one). Public-sector union compensation had lagged private sector; then it jumped way ahead, now it is merely being brought back in line.
If they think they are being treated unfairly, they must really be out of touch....I know lots of people who would love to have their jobs! Even when you look at their "concessions" relative to what the rest of us have to make do with, they are still well off....perhaps merely unaware of how valuable their benefit packages are? For a 62-year old person to retire with a $50,000 pension for life takes about $750,000; add in retiree health coverage and you are looking at about $1.1 million package right there. yet to contribute 3% of pay toward that $1.1 million is a hardship??? oh, please.
I think there's a segment of voters in Wisconsin (who may or may not actually support Walker) who are just tired of all the drama. The 2010 election puts Walker in the state house and gives Republicans majorities in both houses of the legislature.
The reaction by big labor? Let's see if we can try mobocracy in Madison. Let's make noise and block doors and hold lawmakers hostage and make a mess. And lets have union "doctors" issue phony medical excuses so we don't have to use our precious vacation or personal days.
Next, let's run to Illinois to hide out and stop the legislature in its tracks. The fact that those hated Repubican legislators were elected is conveniently overlooked.
Then, let's try to reverse the GOP majority in the state senate by recall. And when that fails, we try to change the balance of the supreme court, also by recall. When that fails, let's recall the governor (as I understand it, only the 3rd time in our history that's been tried).
I'm convinced some Wisconsin residents (some who probably oppose Walker) are tired of these shenanigans. If they had wanted to elect the Mayor of Milwaukee, they would have done so. They didn't. How many "do overs" do the goons think they're entitled to? My sense is that when the votes are counted, Walker will have a comfortable margin. I'm also guessing some Wisonsin union members aren't exactly thrilled with the naked self interest displayed by goons, allegedly on their behalf. Solidarity forevever, dude.
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ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Wisconsin vs Total Recall
Walk a mile in my shoes and you'd change your mind in a second.
Walk a mile in my shoes and you'd change your mind in a second.
Re: Wisconsin vs Total Recall
The Milwaukee Journal Sentinal editorializes that the removal of Governor
Walker is "not justified."
http://www.jsonline.com/news/opinio...removal-isnt-justified-l55ecb6-152111305.html
Game. . .Set. . .Match
The Milwaukee Journal Sentinal editorializes that the removal of Governor
Walker is "not justified."
http://www.jsonline.com/news/opinio...removal-isnt-justified-l55ecb6-152111305.html
Game. . .Set. . .Match
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unofan
Well-known member
Re: Wisconsin vs Total Recall
Tell that to the Iowa judges who were not retained over a single issue.
I'm generally against recalls like this, but what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Tell that to the Iowa judges who were not retained over a single issue.
I'm generally against recalls like this, but what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Re: Wisconsin vs Total Recall
So two wrongs DO make a right? So you got your lib panties in a wad about something nobody knows or cares about in Iowa and that makes the recall(s) in Wisconsin, which you are "generally against" okay? I think we all understand the depth of your "thinking" on this one.
So two wrongs DO make a right? So you got your lib panties in a wad about something nobody knows or cares about in Iowa and that makes the recall(s) in Wisconsin, which you are "generally against" okay? I think we all understand the depth of your "thinking" on this one.
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Wisconsin vs Total Recall
Remember, the measure of whether a political action is appropriate is whether it helps the GOP. That's in the Federalist Papers somewhere...
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: Wisconsin vs Total Recall
Let's not get in to the difference between passing a law that is upheld by the state supreme court and a group of people believing judges in Iowa created law vs upholding it. Whether I agree with what the Iowa judges did or not, it is quite possible that they had no business over turning the will of the people of Iowa.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Wisconsin vs Total Recall
Independent of the Iowa case, justices overturn "the will of the people" all the time. The whole point of judicial review is that the will of the people is sometimes suspect. The appeals process is what prevents particular justices from going rogue. Recalling justices to ensure specific political results is a very bad precedent -- it's that much closer to mob rule.
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: Wisconsin vs Total Recall
justices overturn law all the time that is deemed unconstitutional, not constitutional amendments...which by definition aren't unconstitutional...
ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
Re: Wisconsin vs Total Recall
Regardless of how much I don't like arrogant elitists like Walker, I can't see myself voting for Barrett. It's not that I don't like Barrett (other than the fact that he can't balance a checkbook to save his life, I'm pretty sure I prefer him to Walker), it's just that I don't want to encourage this kind of nonsense. At this point, I'd rather vote third party, or not at all.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: no matter who wins, Wisconsin loses.
Regardless of how much I don't like arrogant elitists like Walker, I can't see myself voting for Barrett. It's not that I don't like Barrett (other than the fact that he can't balance a checkbook to save his life, I'm pretty sure I prefer him to Walker), it's just that I don't want to encourage this kind of nonsense. At this point, I'd rather vote third party, or not at all.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: no matter who wins, Wisconsin loses.
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Re: Wisconsin vs Total Recall
I haven't been following this, but saw a headline today where Walker is actually ahead in a poll. We could learn a lot, if we'd listen, about the nature of recall elections if Walker actually won the thing after all the boatloads of crap that have gone down. I would say it would be funny, but what a waste! Wisconsin: if you're going to rabble-rouse to this extent, at least have the balls to see it through.
I haven't been following this, but saw a headline today where Walker is actually ahead in a poll. We could learn a lot, if we'd listen, about the nature of recall elections if Walker actually won the thing after all the boatloads of crap that have gone down. I would say it would be funny, but what a waste! Wisconsin: if you're going to rabble-rouse to this extent, at least have the balls to see it through.
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: Wisconsin vs Total Recall
Well maybe the recall people should have been a little more diligent about getting enough legit signatures, not to mention find a candidate worthy of the position...
Re: Wisconsin vs Total Recall
That's the part I don't get. Didn't this guy just lose to Walker in the last election? Why a rematch? It wasn't that close.
That's the part I don't get. Didn't this guy just lose to Walker in the last election? Why a rematch? It wasn't that close.
bronconick
Yep, still here
Re: Wisconsin vs Total Recall
Guy's lost twice. 2002 and 2010. If I was going to go through the effort of a recall, I would have told this guy he's getting zero support from the party because we're trying someone new.
Guy's lost twice. 2002 and 2010. If I was going to go through the effort of a recall, I would have told this guy he's getting zero support from the party because we're trying someone new.