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Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXXII: No Where To Go But Up!

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Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXXII: No Where To Go But Up!

Besides whatever locker room drama there was, he played 13 games someone else could have played if he was going to bail out.

Or conversely, and more importantly, if he would have stuck it out, Cullen Hurley wouldn't have had to burn a year of eligibility to play two games against Michigan. That's not Keegan's fault per se, Wittchow was out, but it is an indirect result of his actions. And that kind of sucks. Besides the personal lost year for Hurley, if he redshirts his spot moves out of this class. And if he does well over the next several years we'd have one more experienced guy left when this class exits. What little we saw of Hurley I thought wasn't half bad. He's a pretty good skater.

That said, I still have no ill will toward Keegan and wish him well. I agree on Jason, it appears he can be a good player for UW, so I'm glad he got the opportunity.

It would help even out the classes if Eaves did RS Hurley.

So we've got trap-o-rama this weekend coming up. Looks like no TV Friday but FS Detriot and WI+ on Saturday. Let's finish the season out with 11 straight wins.
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXXII: No Where To Go But Up!

Presumably you can RS Bunz if you want, but if K. Ford had stuck it out Hurley could RS too and you'd move two spots from this class. Now maybe you end up not liking these guys and just recruit over them or something, and maybe it's a small thing... (but not to Hurley) But by themselves Patrick Daly quitting hockey and Tyler Lapic going to play with his brother and even Woods leaving early were all small things too. But together (along with some other things) they all have an effect on class imbalances.
 
Presumably you can RS Bunz if you want, but if K. Ford had stuck it out Hurley could RS too and you'd move two spots from this class. Now maybe you end up not liking these guys and just recruit over them or something, and maybe it's a small thing... (but not to Hurley) But by themselves Patrick Daly quitting hockey and Tyler Lapic going to play with his brother and even Woods leaving early were all small things too. But together (along with some other things) they all have an effect on class imbalances.

Lol, Lapic going to play with his brother. That's the public way of saying Eaves gave him the boot.
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXXII: No Where To Go But Up!

I wasn't trying to comment on the quality of Lapic's play, (He's a good sized banger and that's about it.) but rather point out that K Ford's decision reaches a little farther than just him not being here. And pointing out some other occurrences that have affected the class numbers. Ford inadvertently has kept another place in the same class and cost Hurley a year of eligibility.
Similarly, we tend to look at guys like Dvorak and now Boeser only in terms of them not being here because they are good players we don't have. But when they decommit a year or less before they come in we're also out an opportunity to have recruited a different blue chip talent that wants to be here. Maybe instead of Boeser we land Novak for example. (Don't bother with why we couldn't get Novak, it's just an example) We don't have those scholarships to offer a different kid when they're promised to a kid that promised to come in. It's a double whammy anytime something like this goes down.

If they can pull a couple rabbits out of the hat to replace Boeser and Ford's scholarships it will maybe all work out. But it's a pretty tall order for anybody.
 
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I wasn't trying to comment on the quality of Lapic's play, (He's a good sized banger and that's about it.) but rather point out that K Ford's decision reaches a little farther than just him not being here. And pointing out some other occurrences that have affected the class numbers. Ford inadvertently has kept another place in the same class and cost Hurley a year of eligibility.
Similarly, we tend to look at guys like Dvorak and now Boeser only in terms of them not being here because they are good players we don't have. But when they decommit a year or less before they come in we're also out an opportunity to have recruited a different blue chip talent that wants to be here. Maybe instead of Boeser we land Novak for example. (Don't bother with why we couldn't get Novak, it's just an example) We don't have those scholarships to offer a different kid when they're promised to a kid that promised to come in. It's a double whammy anytime something like this goes down.

If they can pull a couple rabbits out of the hat to replace Boeser and Ford's scholarships it will maybe all work out. But it's a pretty tall order for anybody.

And yet other schools seem to manage their class size/roster turnover with far less difficulty than UW seems to have.
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXXII: No Where To Go But Up!

A quote from an article in the Wisconsin State Journal this morning...

“Real hockey people know what’s going on,” said Shuchuk, who oversees recruiting and academics. “The idiot fans out there that just care about the wins and losses and all that stuff, they don’t understand what’s happening.”


Yikes!
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXXII: No Where To Go But Up!

A quote from an article in the Wisconsin State Journal this morning...

“Real hockey people know what’s going on,” said Shuchuk, who oversees recruiting and academics. “The idiot fans out there that just care about the wins and losses and all that stuff, they don’t understand what’s happening.”


Yikes!
there is a big difference between "idiot fans that just care about wins and losses" and then sucking beyond belief...no fans should have to go through a season like Wisconsin is having...I know, I've been there.
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXXII: No Where To Go But Up!

A quote from an article in the Wisconsin State Journal this morning...

“Real hockey people know what’s going on,” said Shuchuk, who oversees recruiting and academics. “The idiot fans out there that just care about the wins and losses and all that stuff, they don’t understand what’s happening.”


Yikes!

That is not a worthy comment from a division one assistant, that's a quote from a local rink manager that has no business being a division one assistant at Wisconsin. What would be "all that stuff?" But its not unexpected, as I have been saying. The guy calling the fans, that pay his salary, idiots should look in the mirror. What a joke this program has become.
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXXII: No Where To Go But Up!

A quote from an article in the Wisconsin State Journal this morning...

“Real hockey people know what’s going on,” said Shuchuk, who oversees recruiting and academics. “The idiot fans out there that just care about the wins and losses and all that stuff, they don’t understand what’s happening.”


Yikes!

News flash coach, college sports is about nothing but winning. fortunate or unfortunate that's just the way it is. Sounds like the problem may be with the guy "who oversees recruiting and academics" Based on the comments and roster make up he may not want to put in the work and travel to build a solid roster. The recruiting landscape is changing.
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXXII: No Where To Go But Up!

Here is the text of Andy Baggots article from this link http://host.madison.com/sports/coll...cle_501f76d2-7b00-595e-9114-2f6b3e8ec8de.html


"EAST LANSING, Mich. — One morning a couple of weeks back, Mike Eaves arrived at his Kohl Center office and found himself the focus of a lot of sympathetic attention.

Friends and colleagues reached out to the University of Wisconsin men’s hockey coach. There were calls from Boston College coach Jerry York and UW men’s basketball coach Bo Ryan. There were visits from Barry Davis and Whitney Hite, the wrestling and swimming coaches at UW, respectively.

“Just checking in, making sure I’m not near a window ledge,” Eaves said with a chuckle.

The Badgers are careening toward the worst season in program history, the volume on public criticism has been cranked up to an all-time high, and fans wonder — despite an emphatic statement of support from UW athletic director Barry Alvarez — if Eaves might lose his job as a result.

Eaves appreciated the calls and visits, but, no, he’s not thinking desperate thoughts.

“It’s awesome, though, that they do that,” he said of his coaching peers. “Those are the guys that have been around the business that know. I think it’s pretty neat.”

The Badgers are in desperate straits, however. Entering a Big Ten Conference series with Michigan State at Munn Arena here tonight and Saturday night, they are on the verge of some dubious outcomes.

Last-place UW (4-22-4, 2-12-2-2 Big Ten) is nearing the program mark for losses (24 in 1975-76) and fewest road victories (two in 1965-66) in a season. A per-game average of 1.87 goals is on pace to easily eclipse the previous low of 2.27 (2006-07).

Despite separate winless streaks of nine and 10 games, the latter setting a school record, UW players maintain they’ve been drawn closer by the struggles. Eaves has repeatedly lauded his six seniors for keeping an extremely young roster —13 first-year players — on task.

Have the coaches — Eaves and assistants Gary Shuchuk and Matt Walsh are all UW alums who played on NCAA championship teams — bonded as well?

“You have three coaches that care about the program, care about the tradition and care about these kids,” said Shuchuk, who’s in his fourth season overall and second as top assistant. “There’s been no issues with the coaches.”

Walsh, who’s in his second full season overseeing defensemen, echoed that.

“We’re all on the same page,” he said. “Every day we come in, we’re like, ‘How can we improve?’ ”

Eaves said he “can’t wait for those guys to get (to the office)” each day so they can prepare for the moment when things finally click.

“We don’t know when this thing is going to turn around,” Eaves said. “We don’t know what second, what shift that we’re going to get that big-time goal that’s going to help us win a game against a quality team and project us to a higher level.”

Frustration is a natural companion with losing, but outside of a brief, one-sided exchange between Eaves and Walsh during an early January practice, there have been no outward disagreements.

“From a coaching standpoint, it’s been tough because we know what these guys are capable of doing,” Shuchuk said of a roster that includes 17 underclassmen. “We know how good these players are and they’re not getting rewarded for stuff.

“You want to say it’s been trying — it’s been a trying season — but in hindsight, every day we come to practice, our goal is to win.”

How do you explain 4-22-4 to the masses? UW is coming off back-to-back championship-winning seasons — playoff titles in the Western Collegiate Hockey Association in 2013 and the Big Ten in ’14 — but lost nine seniors and two underclassmen to the pros after last year.

“Real hockey people know what’s going on,” said Shuchuk, who oversees recruiting and academics. “The idiot fans out there that just care about the wins and losses and all that stuff, they don’t understand what’s happening.”

Instead of newcomers being eased into key roles, true freshmen such as defenseman Jack Dougherty and centers Cameron Hughes, Adam Rockwood and Ryan Wagner have been lineup fixtures.

Meanwhile, the Badgers have gotten 13 goals from their four most veteran forwards, including six conversions from senior center/winger Joseph LaBate.

“The issue at hand, if you’ve been watching us play the whole year, you haven’t seen 20 kids out there quit,” Shuchuk said.

All three coaches say they’re driven to have UW playing its best when the Big Ten tournament rolls around March 19 to 21 in Detroit.

“I don’t think we’ve lost anybody,” Walsh said.

“Deep down in my heart, I know as a staff we’re doing everything we can right now to make these kids better,” Shuchuk said."



Read more: http://host.madison.com/sports/coll...b00-595e-9114-2f6b3e8ec8de.html#ixzz3TcibX5oo
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXXII: No Where To Go But Up!

Nice to see Shuchuk take the high road, of course I am an idiot fan.

Yes a great job of bridging the gap to unhappy fans by calling all those people idiots who don't get it. I mean us fans have watched this program win 6 NCs, make multiple trips to the Frozen Four and send probably a few hundred players to the NHL over the years, so our expectations are just too high and unrealistic now. Our mistake.

More NCs than season wins, Gary Shuchuk's idea of success!
 
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Why would you all assume he's talking about you?

There certainly are idiot fans of every team and I've seen plenty of comments elsewhere by some supposed "Badger Fans" that make folks here look tame and content by comparison. There's no context to that quote to discern what or who it's specifically referring to. I guess you could assume he's talking about ALL Badger fans, but isn't it possible that Baggott selected that quote from the context of whatever else Shuchuk said for the very reason that it's now posted here? Or does that never happen with the media?
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXXII: No Where To Go But Up!

Why would you all assume he's talking about you?

There certainly are idiot fans of every team and I've seen plenty of comments elsewhere by some supposed "Badger Fans" that make folks here look tame and content by comparison. There's no context to that quote to discern what or who it's specifically referring to. I guess you could assume he's talking about ALL Badger fans, but isn't it possible that Baggott selected that quote from the context of whatever else Shuchuk said for the very reason that it's now posted here? Or does that never happen with the media?

You cannot call fans idiots with a reporter around period. Whatever the context it was an incredibly stupid PR move. Say it to your wife at home all you want, but not in public when ticket sales are tanking and you have a whopping 4 wins to brag about.
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXXII: No Where To Go But Up!

Why would you all assume he's talking about you?

There certainly are idiot fans of every team and I've seen plenty of comments elsewhere by some supposed "Badger Fans" that make folks here look tame and content by comparison. There's no context to that quote to discern what or who it's specifically referring to. I guess you could assume he's talking about ALL Badger fans, but isn't it possible that Baggott selected that quote from the context of whatever else Shuchuk said for the very reason that it's now posted here? Or does that never happen with the media?

Easy, because we are the ones being critical. Apparently we can't criticize. Baggot has had their back all year, much like you. So he obviously felt it was quotable, or maybe just to get us idiots mad.
 
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