ExileOnDaytonStreet
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XX - Growth Through Experience
And suddenly, we're tied for 25th in the Pairwise!
#babysteps
And suddenly, we're tied for 25th in the Pairwise!
#babysteps
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Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XX - Growth Through Experience
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Gurtholfin
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XX - Growth Through Experience
Do the top 25 make it!?!
YES!!
Do the top 25 make it!?!
YES!!
Chuck Schwartz
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XX - Growth Through Experience
Good, for the most part. They played a simple game, didn't allow many (any?) odd man rushes. Rumpel had to make some saves but the majority of the shots, even if they were in tight here ones that he could see and square up on.
The difference was that when the Badgers had opportunities, they cashed almost every time.
Minnesota State is decent but they just don't have guys like Schultz, Zengerle, or even a Mersch.
Game was on Charter 87 state wide. Game will be on there again tonight, or you can buy the web feed (like I'm relegated to do for $8).
I may be wrong, but I think we were tied for 24th before the game, so I don't think we actually improved ha.
Good, for the most part. They played a simple game, didn't allow many (any?) odd man rushes. Rumpel had to make some saves but the majority of the shots, even if they were in tight here ones that he could see and square up on.
The difference was that when the Badgers had opportunities, they cashed almost every time.
Minnesota State is decent but they just don't have guys like Schultz, Zengerle, or even a Mersch.
Game was on Charter 87 state wide. Game will be on there again tonight, or you can buy the web feed (like I'm relegated to do for $8).
I may be wrong, but I think we were tied for 24th before the game, so I don't think we actually improved ha.
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Gurtholfin
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JDUBBS1280
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I was just messing with Gurt. I've only been to Wisconsin a few times, and that was to go to Gopher games in Madison. I just heard there is a town with a paper mill in Wisconsin that really smells all year round and figured Gurtrude lives and works there.
Chuck Schwartz
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ExileOnDaytonStreet
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XX - Growth Through Experience
*headdesk*
*headdesk*
solovsfett
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XX - Growth Through Experience
EODS - yup. and this is how I've felt for a month now. And as to how UW lost 3-0 tonight to a 12th place team I honestly think this has nothing to do w/youth, it has everything to do w/talent. There just isn't enough of it on UW. they're about 4-6 players short and that's a TON. and that's why they're in 10th position.
EODS - yup. and this is how I've felt for a month now. And as to how UW lost 3-0 tonight to a 12th place team I honestly think this has nothing to do w/youth, it has everything to do w/talent. There just isn't enough of it on UW. they're about 4-6 players short and that's a TON. and that's why they're in 10th position.
Chuck Schwartz
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XX - Growth Through Experience
Wisconsin has never swept in Mankato.
There isn't enough talent? Must not have been enough talent on that 06 Championship squad that couldn't sweep at Mankato either. Must not have been on enough talen't on that 2010 national runner up squad that couldn't sweep a 9th place team at Mankato either.
If you watched the game last night you saw that Wisconsin clearly outclassed them in terms of talent. Possession was slanted heavily in Wisconsin's favor. They got 2 PP goals, Phil Cook looked like Dominik Hasek, and that was all she wrote.
Sometimes goalies steal a game. Last night Phil Cook stole a game.
Wisconsin has never swept in Mankato.
There isn't enough talent? Must not have been enough talent on that 06 Championship squad that couldn't sweep at Mankato either. Must not have been on enough talen't on that 2010 national runner up squad that couldn't sweep a 9th place team at Mankato either.
If you watched the game last night you saw that Wisconsin clearly outclassed them in terms of talent. Possession was slanted heavily in Wisconsin's favor. They got 2 PP goals, Phil Cook looked like Dominik Hasek, and that was all she wrote.
Sometimes goalies steal a game. Last night Phil Cook stole a game.
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Gurtholfin
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XX - Growth Through Experience
Agreed.
I believe that this year's team has lots of young, raw talent. In addition, like young teams often do, they have a hard time bringing consistent effort from night to night. (Not that last night's effort was poor)
An issue with this group is not having enough upper classmen to show the way in terms of preparedness and effort. This will flip in our favor starting next season and peaking the season after that.
Patience Iago.
PS - The above doesn't mean that I exempt Eaves from responsibility as we are stuck with an awful lot of younglings.
Agreed.
I believe that this year's team has lots of young, raw talent. In addition, like young teams often do, they have a hard time bringing consistent effort from night to night. (Not that last night's effort was poor)
An issue with this group is not having enough upper classmen to show the way in terms of preparedness and effort. This will flip in our favor starting next season and peaking the season after that.
Patience Iago.
PS - The above doesn't mean that I exempt Eaves from responsibility as we are stuck with an awful lot of younglings.
Almington
Blood Boiling with Rage and Hate
Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XX - Growth Through Experience
That 2005-06 team was also the first weekend that Elliott returned from his knee injury. It wasn't exactly a time the team was firing on all cylinders.
That 2005-06 team was also the first weekend that Elliott returned from his knee injury. It wasn't exactly a time the team was firing on all cylinders.
Almington
Blood Boiling with Rage and Hate
Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XX - Growth Through Experience
It isn't that this team doesn't have a lot of talent, individually their is a TON of talent on this team, the problem is that they are just not playing as a single cohesive unit. The value of the whole isn't even the sum of the individual parts, my bigger issue is that I expected to see more improvement as the season has progressed.
It isn't that this team doesn't have a lot of talent, individually their is a TON of talent on this team, the problem is that they are just not playing as a single cohesive unit. The value of the whole isn't even the sum of the individual parts, my bigger issue is that I expected to see more improvement as the season has progressed.
Chuck Schwartz
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XX - Growth Through Experience
I was going to note that, but I figured we all were aware of it.
I was going to note that, but I figured we all were aware of it.
Chuck Schwartz
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XX - Growth Through Experience
Another note on why the no talent thing is absolutely bogus. Wisconsin has gone toe to toe and done well against UND, UNO, UMD, and Minnesota. Teams lacking talent don't compete with those guys this year.
In fact, Wisconsin probably should have beaten UMD on Friday and UNO in the game they lost that weekend.
Just no consistency with (at times) only a combined 3 juniors and seniors in the lineup.
Hell, how many teams do you know that could go toe to toe with the #1 team in the country with 3 upperclassmen and not get stomped?
Another note on why the no talent thing is absolutely bogus. Wisconsin has gone toe to toe and done well against UND, UNO, UMD, and Minnesota. Teams lacking talent don't compete with those guys this year.
In fact, Wisconsin probably should have beaten UMD on Friday and UNO in the game they lost that weekend.
Just no consistency with (at times) only a combined 3 juniors and seniors in the lineup.
Hell, how many teams do you know that could go toe to toe with the #1 team in the country with 3 upperclassmen and not get stomped?
Timothy A
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XX - Growth Through Experience
I was 5 of 6 periods this weekend. UW played well overall and only allowing 2 goals all weekend was fantastic. There were a few dull spots early and late Friday, and they won. Sat. Cook stole the show. That save on Little was a wow if you are ever going to see one. Late in the 3rd, the puck richoettes and bounces just over the top of the net. It was just that kind of night. The PP was a letdown, but they looked to be trying a lot of moving parts type of plays with Schultz, maybe a little too complicated.
They really needed another 2 pts out of the weekend to jump Bemiji and get right on St. Cloud's tail. They have to sweep at home this weekend.
Talent....yes, they are a tad short on it right now. You can't replace early departures with players of equal talent, or with a player even of 80% of the talent. In watching individual players this weekend, Barnes seems to be a little out of sync right now. Navin seems like he's a step behind the flow of the play as well. Dahl looked very good.
I was 5 of 6 periods this weekend. UW played well overall and only allowing 2 goals all weekend was fantastic. There were a few dull spots early and late Friday, and they won. Sat. Cook stole the show. That save on Little was a wow if you are ever going to see one. Late in the 3rd, the puck richoettes and bounces just over the top of the net. It was just that kind of night. The PP was a letdown, but they looked to be trying a lot of moving parts type of plays with Schultz, maybe a little too complicated.
They really needed another 2 pts out of the weekend to jump Bemiji and get right on St. Cloud's tail. They have to sweep at home this weekend.
Talent....yes, they are a tad short on it right now. You can't replace early departures with players of equal talent, or with a player even of 80% of the talent. In watching individual players this weekend, Barnes seems to be a little out of sync right now. Navin seems like he's a step behind the flow of the play as well. Dahl looked very good.
Almington
Blood Boiling with Rage and Hate
Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XX - Growth Through Experience
So it seems to me that Eaves has been doing a very good job of bringing in 1 or 2 top-level forwards every season who are not expected to stay for all 4 years. He has done as well on this front as can be expected. The bigger issue is that he has not set things up to turn over 2 or 3 four year players every year. This is what UND and DU have done, they have balanced out the classes of 4-year players so that the don't have the massive experience drain cycle that UW appears to be trapped in with forwards.
So it seems to me that Eaves has been doing a very good job of bringing in 1 or 2 top-level forwards every season who are not expected to stay for all 4 years. He has done as well on this front as can be expected. The bigger issue is that he has not set things up to turn over 2 or 3 four year players every year. This is what UND and DU have done, they have balanced out the classes of 4-year players so that the don't have the massive experience drain cycle that UW appears to be trapped in with forwards.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XX - Growth Through Experience
I don't see that there's a recruiting issue. The issue I see is, as Chuck says, the consistency. But is the youth of the team really what's behind it? A factor, sure, but ultimately I think that a consistent effort will come down to discipline, leadership and preparation- all of which are coachable if they aren't already present in the team.
I don't see that there's a recruiting issue. The issue I see is, as Chuck says, the consistency. But is the youth of the team really what's behind it? A factor, sure, but ultimately I think that a consistent effort will come down to discipline, leadership and preparation- all of which are coachable if they aren't already present in the team.
Gandalf the Red
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XX - Growth Through Experience
This is why games aren't played on paper, they are played on the ice. I think everyone summed it up pretty well above, but the beautiful thing about sports is that what "should" happen doesn't. No matter how bad a team is, playing on their home turf is a tough deal, and if you thought a sweep was in the bag and anything less than that was failure, you set yourself up to be disappointed. A sweep would have been great, but before friday night, the Badgers hadn't even won a game on the road yet.
According to Playoff Status (a great website) the Badgers still have ~31% chance at home ice.
This is why games aren't played on paper, they are played on the ice. I think everyone summed it up pretty well above, but the beautiful thing about sports is that what "should" happen doesn't. No matter how bad a team is, playing on their home turf is a tough deal, and if you thought a sweep was in the bag and anything less than that was failure, you set yourself up to be disappointed. A sweep would have been great, but before friday night, the Badgers hadn't even won a game on the road yet.
According to Playoff Status (a great website) the Badgers still have ~31% chance at home ice.
solovsfett
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XX - Growth Through Experience
it's true UW has never swept Mankato (aside - I don't think 06 or 10 teams success or lack thereof in the schedule has anything to do with the current version, as those teams weren't as desperate for points, whereas today's team needs every point it can get and should be playing each shift like it, also UW and Kato were both much better then) and while I don't expect a sweep at this point in the season anymore (esp on the road), at some point they're going to have to do just that in order to get even the slightest consideration. Alaska and Bemidji offer the next best opportunities. If they sweep both and split the rest they end up w/18 wins. 18-20 I think is a bubble team but we'll see.
...those Notre Dame games have really left an impression on me, especially that last one where they outclassed minnesota for basically 57 minutes, even in the speed department. comparing that team to UW this year is reveals quite a bit and that's where my mentions of talent come in (that and remembering how Zent/Schier/Rafalski/Moore/Fairchild/McDonald et all in the past kicked #$$ right out of the box and comparing that to more current teams)
it's true UW has never swept Mankato (aside - I don't think 06 or 10 teams success or lack thereof in the schedule has anything to do with the current version, as those teams weren't as desperate for points, whereas today's team needs every point it can get and should be playing each shift like it, also UW and Kato were both much better then) and while I don't expect a sweep at this point in the season anymore (esp on the road), at some point they're going to have to do just that in order to get even the slightest consideration. Alaska and Bemidji offer the next best opportunities. If they sweep both and split the rest they end up w/18 wins. 18-20 I think is a bubble team but we'll see.
...those Notre Dame games have really left an impression on me, especially that last one where they outclassed minnesota for basically 57 minutes, even in the speed department. comparing that team to UW this year is reveals quite a bit and that's where my mentions of talent come in (that and remembering how Zent/Schier/Rafalski/Moore/Fairchild/McDonald et all in the past kicked #$$ right out of the box and comparing that to more current teams)
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