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Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XVIII - Belief in a Better Tomorrow

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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
I'm probably being too cynical for my own good, but "having discussions" is not the same thing as an agreement. The whole thing could still fall apart if we tell UND to pound sand if they want too many return games at the Ralph or if UND tells us to pound sand if we won't have enough trips to the Ralph.

And that's before you factor in the fact that Eaves is acknowledging that we don't even have parameters set in place for scheduling non-conference games through the Big Ten. Or the money angle. Or the whole "Native American mascot" issue that isn't yet resolved.

Maybe when the Big Ten issues are out of the way and Baggott reports actual negotiations, I'll be optimistic. But there are still too many obstacles in the way before I think we can think that we'll be getting something.
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I'm going to expect the worst (no nodak, no du, no mtu or cc) and hopefully get surprised.

I mean I know that the B10 doesn't give a rip but if you're Alvarez you'd have to be completely tone-deaf if you don't at the VERY least schedule Nodak for home one year, away the next ad infinitum.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
I'm probably being too cynical for my own good, but "having discussions" is not the same thing as an agreement. The whole thing could still fall apart if we tell UND to pound sand if they want too many return games at the Ralph or if UND tells us to pound sand if we won't have enough trips to the Ralph.

And that's before you factor in the fact that Eaves is acknowledging that we don't even have parameters set in place for scheduling non-conference games through the Big Ten. Or the money angle. Or the whole "Native American mascot" issue that isn't yet resolved.

Maybe when the Big Ten issues are out of the way and Baggott reports actual negotiations, I'll be optimistic. But there are still too many obstacles in the way before I think we can think that we'll be getting something.
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Getting the Badgers to come to GF to play the team-formerly-known-as-Sioux will be like the folks in Mystery asking the Rangers to come play pond hockey.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
I'm probably being too cynical for my own good, but "having discussions" is not the same thing as an agreement. The whole thing could still fall apart if we tell UND to pound sand if they want too many return games at the Ralph or if UND tells us to pound sand if we won't have enough trips to the Ralph.

And that's before you factor in the fact that Eaves is acknowledging that we don't even have parameters set in place for scheduling non-conference games through the Big Ten. Or the money angle. Or the whole "Native American mascot" issue that isn't yet resolved.

Maybe when the Big Ten issues are out of the way and Baggott reports actual negotiations, I'll be optimistic. But there are still too many obstacles in the way before I think we can think that we'll be getting something.
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I would be surprised at this point if there is isn't annual series, rotating between Madison and Grand Forks.
 
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One tempting course of action is to say that if we do not have annual (or almost annual) matchups with NoDak and at least somewhat regular series with other former WCHA opponents, that I will not attend ANY games against Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St or Penn St.

Granted, I live out of town and don't get to games regularly, so that's no big loss for Barry. But if enough people feel the same way...
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
One tempting course of action is to say that if we do not have annual (or almost annual) matchups with NoDak and at least somewhat regular series with other former WCHA opponents, that I will not attend ANY games against Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St or Penn St.

Granted, I live out of town and don't get to games regularly, so that's no big loss for Barry. But if enough people feel the same way...
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Why would people not want to watch games against Michigan and Michigan State? I guess that confuses me.
 
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Chuck Schwartz said:
Why would people not want to watch games against Michigan and Michigan State? I guess that confuses me.
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He's saying, don't go to those because you want to show displeasure in not playing the old conference mates...I really wonder how big a deal any of the WCHA/NCHC teams are to badger fans...
 
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Chuck Schwartz said:
Why would people not want to watch games against Michigan and Michigan State? I guess that confuses me.
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I agree.

To be honest, attendance (not tickets sold) has been lackluster since 06. Maybe the new blood is just what we need to get butts back in the seats.

Personally, I look forward to Michigan and MSU and it's quite possible that OSU will be a quality program by then. Oz is going in the right direction.

Reminds me (only a little) of Favre fans versus Packer fans in that some seem to see themselves as Badgers in the WCHA fans where I know that I am just a Badger fan.

I'd prefer that they stay in the WCHA, but I'll follow them wherever they go.

I do hope for a regular series with NoDak though. Ultimately don't care about the rest of the WCHA enough to get my undies bunched over it.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
He's saying, don't go to those because you want to show displeasure in not playing the old conference mates...I really wonder how big a deal any of the WCHA/NCHC teams are to badger fans...
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Which is pretty silly to expect or suggest of ANY of us. If I were to boycott a game out of disgust, it would be Mercyhurst or someone like that, certainly not Michigan or any other conference game.

Still going to Mercyhurst, btw.
 
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Chuck Schwartz said:
Why would people not want to watch games against Michigan and Michigan State? I guess that confuses me.
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cause MSU is not Nodak and Michigan is not DU

there just isn't that history in hockey between those teams (msu/mich) and UW

I mean my circle of hockey friends is small but I don't know one person excited to see MSU (they weren't excited to see them in the showcase so why be excited now that you'll see them twice as much per year?). and michigan just isn't what people want them to be imo. Nodak, DU, CC, Minnesota, all compete against UW for recruits, I barely remember any of the instances where UW/Mich were in the same sentence for a recruit, then there's the level of intensity built up with the players and coaches aware of the rivalries and histories and the fan bases.

I feel like playing MSU and Mich 4x per year is like welcoming Cornell and RPI in...yawn
 
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Yes, what svf said. I get that we're all Badger fans first, that the opponent isn't what truly matters, etc.

But don't lie to me and tell me that the Wolverines and Spartans are a of the same quality of the Sue and Pioneers. Unlike the vast majority of the people that we're trying to con into going to the Kohl Center, we know that we're not going to a football game...
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
Yes, what svf said. I get that we're all Badger fans first, that the opponent isn't what truly matters, etc.

But don't lie to me and tell me that the Wolverines and Spartans are a of the same quality of the Sue and Pioneers. Unlike the vast majority of the people that we're trying to con into going to the Kohl Center, we know that we're not going to a football game...
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Didn't say that. Just said that I'm looking forward to games against them.

I have season tickets and have for many, many years and the vast majority of regular season games that weren't against Minnesota or NoDak have all run into each other to form a big blur.

So yes, Denver is a good program, but about the only specific game that I can remember against them was the playoff game at the KC. I'll be fine watching MSU or OSU coz in 15 years it will all be the same and just part of the blur.

What I remember are specific players that I've seen, both on our team and on other teams and I also remember the people that I go with and the times that we have.

Denver, CC, UMD? They're part of the backdrop that is my Badger hockey experience and can be replaced.

I'm over it. So shoot me.

EDIT: Actually, I would put Michigan on par with both NoDak and Denver. They've been very good lately.

EDIT 2: As far as conning people into coming to the KC, I'd rather have 3,000 bandwagon or B10 fans than the 3,000 empty seats that I see just about every game. As long as they're wearing red and cheering (at mostly the right times). SHOOT! :D
 
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solovsfett said:
cause MSU is not Nodak and Michigan is not DU

there just isn't that history in hockey between those teams (msu/mich) and UW

I mean my circle of hockey friends is small but I don't know one person excited to see MSU (they weren't excited to see them in the showcase so why be excited now that you'll see them twice as much per year?). and michigan just isn't what people want them to be imo. Nodak, DU, CC, Minnesota, all compete against UW for recruits, I barely remember any of the instances where UW/Mich were in the same sentence for a recruit, then there's the level of intensity built up with the players and coaches aware of the rivalries and histories and the fan bases.

I feel like playing MSU and Mich 4x per year is like welcoming Cornell and RPI in...yawn
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UW has a history with MI and MSU throughout the history of the program, particularly before they left for the CCHA. The issue is that UW doesn't have much of a RECENT history with MSU or MI. Part of the problem is that we have been only playing them once a season, always over a holiday weekend and always during football season. One top of that, not much was on the line in those games because they were non-conference games. I suspect that is something that can change in short order with conference games, games after football is over, and regular conference playoff games.

The only WCHA team that I am going to miss not playing on a regular basis is UND and I'm going to miss the F5 far more than any regular season series.
 
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Almington said:
UW has a history with MI and MSU throughout the history of the program, particularly before they left for the CCHA. The issue is that UW doesn't have much of a RECENT history with MSU or MI. Part of the problem is that we have been only playing them once a season, always over a holiday weekend and always during football season. One top of that, not much was on the line in those games because they were non-conference games. I suspect that is something that can change in short order with conference games, games after football is over, and regular conference playoff games.

The only WCHA team that I am going to miss not playing on a regular basis is UND and I'm going to miss the F5 far more than any regular season series.
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part of my problem is I started going to games in about 84-85ish w/my dad. back then UMD was a POWER. Minnesota was a POWER. Nodak was good and HATED. Every series seemed huge. I'm sure B10 every series will be hyped up cause there's only 6 teams but I cannot get excited for MSU (very average team with no history vs. UW), Michigan (played in wcha for what 5-6 years in the 70's?) football rivalry is not hockey rivalry. they may end up #3 behind Sue and Rats for rivalries but it will take 10-15 years (and that's if they go head to head w/UW for recruits as well, and their fans actually give a chit which I don't know if they do). OSU? really? OSU hockey? ha ha ha ha ha. Penn State (uhm, yeah a club team like RTI).

with Nodak, Minnesota, MTU, CC, DU and UW you've got 30 national titles most of which were won competing against each other in the same league (if not all)! at various points through the 60's to today each program beat the **** out of each other on the ice and then off the ice for recruits. the coaches got into it, the fans got into it.

I just don't have that feeling w/MSU/Mich. and there's 0 history behind OSU and Penn State. who was the great coach of michigan in the 50's? I don't know. but I DO know the names of the great Nodak, Minn, MTU, DU, CC, UMD coaches of the past, and many of their players, and if forced to come up with the years each team won the title I'd bet I'd be 85% on that, maybe better
 
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solovsfett said:
part of my problem is I started going to games in about 84-85ish w/my dad. back then UMD was a POWER. Minnesota was a POWER. Nodak was good and HATED. Every series seemed huge. I'm sure B10 every series will be hyped up cause there's only 6 teams but I cannot get excited for MSU (very average team with no history vs. UW), Michigan (played in wcha for what 5-6 years in the 70's?)
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Michigan and Michigan State were members of the WCHA from 1951 to 1981.

Wisconsin didn't join until 1969.
 
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JF_Gophers said:
Michigan and Michigan State were members of the WCHA from 1951 to 1981.

Wisconsin didn't join until 1969.
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really? well I guess that's where *my* memory comes in. I started in 84, but even back then I don't recall people talking about Michigan or MSU at all. it was ALL nodak, and Minnesota
 
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Personally, I've moved on, and am looking at the advantages of the new conference. People can be bitter about it they want...that's their prerogative.
 
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