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Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XVIII - Belief in a Better Tomorrow

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Chuck Schwartz said:
Paape and Daly are the extras making the trip. I would expect to see Paape in there somewhere on Saturday for sure. Daly is a tossup. Probably depends on how Springer plays Friday.
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got it, thanks.

I hope Daly plays saturday. I liked his wheels last friday.*might* be the fastest d-man on UW
 
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With football on the road for a couple of weeks, I hope the Kohl Center has better attendance than the opening weekend. {I think the Brewers had something to do with that, too.(?)} A win tonight will give "the kids" (and me ;)) some confidence going into the NoDak weekend.

Rink Pig -- "**** you, eat ****!"
 
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RinkPig said:
Surely Sconi won 8-0 vs little old MTU tonight! ;)

Go Gophs!
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Well, RP, losing to Tech is harder on Bucky fans, even with a very young team, than it is to you rodent fans, who have become accustomed to losing to just about every "little old" in the country for quite a while--with veteran teams.
 
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burd said:
Well, RP, losing to Tech is harder on Bucky fans, even with a very young team, than it is to you rodent fans, who have become accustomed to losing to just about every "little old" in the country for quite a while--with veteran teams.
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well played!

rink pig is obviously the biggest ******* on the board. at least with guys like CHRIS!/Old Salty there was some **** funny lines traded back and forth. piggy is just a troll who couldn't come up w/something witty if you held a $1,000,000 in front of him to do it
 
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Nodak and Omaha coming to Madison. these kids better man-up immediately. in years past frosh and soph's weren't an excuse. Zent, Heatley, Earl, Burish, Gilbert they kicked some right from the 1st drop of the puck. so I'm not going to buy the "we're young" argument. talent wins pure and simple. Rau up in minneapolis is destroying as a frosh
 
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Anyone have a stat on what Eaves all time overtime record is? I can't recall more than a handful of wins when one of his teams goes into overtime.
 
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solovsfett said:
Nodak and Omaha coming to Madison. these kids better man-up immediately. in years past frosh and soph's weren't an excuse. Zent, Heatley, Earl, Burish, Gilbert they kicked some right from the 1st drop of the puck. so I'm not going to buy the "we're young" argument. talent wins pure and simple. Rau up in minneapolis is destroying as a frosh
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The issue is the collective youth on the team. Youth=Inexperience=Mistakes. In general, the team that makes the fewest mistakes is the team that is going to win.
Only 2 forwards on the team have over 60 games played (Lee & R. Little) and only 2 players have over 80 games (Schultz & Ramage), no one has over 90. On top of that, many of these players didn't play much, if any, time in juniors.

The long and short of it is that the sophomores MUST step up and lead this team, period. I knew that this was going to be a long and trying season from a fan perspective give the collective inexperience, but getting swept by MTU while (a much greater concern from my view) being outworked by them had better be rock bottom. If it isn't Eaves is going to have to answer for the state of the program.
 
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Almington said:
The long and short of it is that the sophomores MUST step up and lead this team, period. I knew that this was going to be a long and trying season from a fan perspective give the collective inexperience, but getting swept by MTU while (a much greater concern from my view) being outworked by them had better be rock bottom. If it isn't Eaves is going to have to answer for the state of the program.
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that's just it. Denver and Nodak don't have down periods, they just don't. I fully expect UW to be exactly at that level if not leading.

getting out-worked is inexcusable on any weekend. but what I've also noticed is since 2006, this team has had no real on-ice leader. At least no-one that approaches Adam Burish.
 
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gwhinwi said:
Anyone have a stat on what Eaves all time overtime record is? I can't recall more than a handful of wins when one of his teams goes into overtime.
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It hasn't been good (to say the least) these past few seasons: last 5 seasons: 1-12-19. OT losses are just emotional and hang with you.

Season: W-L-T
2011-12: 0-3-0
2010-11: 1-3-4
2009-10: 0-0-4
2008-09: 0-3-4
2007-08: 0-3-7
2006-07: 2-3-4
2005-06: 2-1-3
2004-05: 0-1-4
2003-04: 5-1-8
2002-03: 2-3-4
Total: 12-21-42
First 5: 11-9-23
Last 5: 1-12-19
 
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what I've also noticed is since 2006, this team has had no real on-ice leader. At least no-one that approaches Adam Burish.
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There's a reason why Adam Burish was so special, guys like him are rare. It's not a knock that recent teams haven't had a guy like him, Wisconsin was fortunate to have Burish for four seasons.
 
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solovsfett said:
that's just it. Denver and Nodak don't have down periods, they just don't. I fully expect UW to be exactly at that level if not leading.

getting out-worked is inexcusable on any weekend. but what I've also noticed is since 2006, this team has had no real on-ice leader. At least no-one that approaches Adam Burish.
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Leaders like Burish don't come along very often, that is what makes them so valuable when they do.

Part of the problem is that Eaves has not managed to even out his recruiting classes. The imbalance has, if anything, gotten worse over time because he brings in small classes of just elite forwards who leave early just as a large class of seniors graduates, making the next class of freshmen even larger. UND and DU don't have this problem, they consistently bring in a class of 4 or 5 forwards and have 3 or 4 graduate with 1 or 2 early departures, thus they don't have the ebb and flow in experience that UW seems to have. It doesn't seem like that is going to get any better in the foreseeable future.

Plus, most of their players at least played their HS senior year in Juniors, where as UW is bringing in more players direct from high school programs, exacerbating the experience problem. There is a reason that teams started having all but the most exceptional players spend a full year (at least) in Juniors before they came on campus, that year of maturation and learning is so very valuable in making the transition to the college game.
 
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We were having this same conversation about uneven classes and the ups and downs of the program just about two years ago.

Evidently, this is how it will go under Eaves. 2-4 mediocre years and then a run.

Definitely not what I'd prefer, but at least the run is in there.
 
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Almington said:
Leaders like Burish don't come along very often, that is what makes them so valuable when they do.

Part of the problem is that Eaves has not managed to even out his recruiting classes. The imbalance has, if anything, gotten worse over time because he brings in small classes of just elite forwards who leave early just as a large class of seniors graduates, making the next class of freshmen even larger. UND and DU don't have this problem, they consistently bring in a class of 4 or 5 forwards and have 3 or 4 graduate with 1 or 2 early departures, thus they don't have the ebb and flow in experience that UW seems to have. It doesn't seem like that is going to get any better in the foreseeable future.

Plus, most of their players at least played their HS senior year in Juniors, where as UW is bringing in more players direct from high school programs, exacerbating the experience problem. There is a reason that teams started having all but the most exceptional players spend a full year (at least) in Juniors before they came on campus, that year of maturation and learning is so very valuable in making the transition to the college game.
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I guess I didn't realize just how special Burish was (individually as a leader, I must have taken that for granted) but now that I think of it, it was Adam Burish and the entire Sr. 06 class that led that team and carried them just like Steve Rolek and the 1990 class. I thought for a time the Reinprecht/Kuk/Moreau/Dessner class might have been similar but it wasn't to be.

I thought at one point they were trying to even up the classes but I'm guessing the early departures didn't help?

I sort of like the idea though of bringing in kids straight from HS. it might give UW a leg up on stars in Minnesota who'd rather go straight to college than Jrs. who knows, maybe that starts a new sort of recruiting war w/Eaves asking a kid to come in right away, and Hakstol/Lucia asking them to defer 1 year?

+ if you've got the talent (see Rau, Kyle or say Earl, Robbie) you'll step right in and contribute
 
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Gurtholfin said:
We were having this same conversation about uneven classes and the ups and downs of the program just about two years ago.

Evidently, this is how it will go under Eaves. 2-4 mediocre years and then a run.

Definitely not what I'd prefer, but at least the run is in there.
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It sure looks like wisco has a case of the runs right now...;)
 
solovsfett said:
I guess I didn't realize just how special Burish was (individually as a leader, I must have taken that for granted) but now that I think of it, it was Adam Burish and the entire Sr. 06 class that led that team and carried them just like Steve Rolek and the 1990 class. I thought for a time the Reinprecht/Kuk/Moreau/Dessner class might have been similar but it wasn't to be.

I thought at one point they were trying to even up the classes but I'm guessing the early departures didn't help?

I sort of like the idea though of bringing in kids straight from HS. it might give UW a leg up on stars in Minnesota who'd rather go straight to college than Jrs. who knows, maybe that starts a new sort of recruiting war w/Eaves asking a kid to come in right away, and Hakstol/Lucia asking them to defer 1 year?

+ if you've got the talent (see Rau, Kyle or say Earl, Robbie) you'll step right in and contribute
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Wow, the Gophers have been criticized for years for doing this (bolded above) with some star Minnesota high school players, now other programs are doing it. Don't forget, the Gophers are still willing to bring the Kyle Rau, Justin Kloos type of players directly in from high school.
 
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