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WISCONSIN HOCKEY 09-10 - Climbing The Mountain (7th Edition?)

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Even though they gave up a late lead, I'm happy to come out of there with a tie. Yale controlled play for 45 of the 65 minutes. They pretty much dominated the first ten minutes and the last 25 minutes of the game. I'll take a tie there with a shorthanded squad against a very good team any day of the week. Yale impressed me a lot. They weren't the fastest guys, but their passes were always tic-tac-toe. The Badgers looked totally out of syn because of it.
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I think not having the same D partner each shift (5 D only) didn't help the situation as well.
 
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bucky15 said:
I think not having the same D partner each shift (5 D only) didn't help the situation as well.
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I did not hear any of the games.....Bendikson didn't play D or was Goulebef still out sick?
 
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Timothy A said:
I did not hear any of the games.....Bendikson didn't play D or was Goulebef still out sick?
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goloubef played both games, bendy played some D but for the most part we played with 5 dman all weekend, not a bad result for the weekend considering the patched together roster we had to work with, would have been nice to hang on and get the W last night but I would have taken that result at the start of the weekend, now we have 2 weeks to heal up, get everyone together, get out lines sorted out and get out to CC for a big weekend...
 
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uwbadgers14 said:
goloubef played both games, bendy played some D but for the most part we played with 5 dman all weekend, not a bad result for the weekend considering the patched together roster we had to work with, would have been nice to hang on and get the W last night but I would have taken that result at the start of the weekend, now we have 2 weeks to heal up, get everyone together, get out lines sorted out and get out to CC for a big weekend...
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Considering all, I too am happy with the results. UW went from having 7 possible D available to 5. Goody saved a loss last night.
 
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Timothy A said:
Considering all, I too am happy with the results. UW went from having 7 possible D available to 5. Goody saved a loss last night.
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yep, which i think was the only way UW was going to win that game last night was if goody won it for them, just way too much mix matching of lines and players for there to be any constant offensive pressure, example, getting out shot as bad as we did. And had C. Smith not taken a really dumb penalty we probably could have gotten out of there with a W..
 
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uwbadgers14 said:
http://www.insidecollegehockey.com/5Polls/0910/polls_0815.htm

love the dig about Barry Alverez in the badger comment...
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Well, except for the fact that the showdown isn't being scrapped for Big Ten hockey, it's being scrapped because it's a financial drain and a competitive flop these days.

Then again, accuracy was never INCH's primary concern.

Andy Baggot's article sums up why the Showdown is ending:

http://host.madison.com/sports/colu...cle_a4b8f26d-c710-5453-9ee6-825e41fc9c96.html

The Showdown is being shelved in part because travel and lodging guarantees for the participants defy these cost-cutting times. Instead of spending $60,000 to bring in three teams, UW coach Mike Eaves will opt for one at $20,000 next season when a non-league series with Massachusetts is scheduled.
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Why pay 3 teams for (effectively) one series when you can pay one team for one series?

It also gives UW the flexibility to travel to other tournaments, to be part of what once made the Showdown special - great tournament fields. Baggot also mentions that.

Bag on Alvarez all you want, this is the right decision. Put the poor showdown out of its misery.
 
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blockski said:
Well, except for the fact that the showdown isn't being scrapped for Big Ten hockey, it's being scrapped because it's a financial drain and a competitive flop these days.

Then again, accuracy was never INCH's primary concern.

Andy Baggot's article sums up why the Showdown is ending:

http://host.madison.com/sports/colu...cle_a4b8f26d-c710-5453-9ee6-825e41fc9c96.html



Why pay 3 teams for (effectively) one series when you can pay one team for one series?

It also gives UW the flexibility to travel to other tournaments, to be part of what once made the Showdown special - great tournament fields. Baggot also mentions that.

Bag on Alvarez all you want, this is the right decision. Put the poor showdown out of its misery.
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I think poor management if the tournament is the reason it is going away. I think first off the teams that have come to it lately have been average at best. This was the best collection of ranked teams we have had in a long time but they still are not big name teams. They are in sense, hockey only schools. Thats problem number 1, also the crowds for the early games have been terrible, some people don't even know its a tournament, they just go to the the badger game at 7:00. I feel they could have done better with attendance if UW played the afternoon game both days, easier time for family's to make they games, then i think more people may stay for the 2nd game. these games are not on TV anyway so there is not reason on a holiday weekend to have the badgers play at 7:00, specially the sunday game when kids have school the next day. I think the whole tournament has been mismanaged and not cared about in recent years, and thats why it is going away. If they could get a crowd for the non UW game both by moving it after the UW game so more people will stay and bringing in better teams it had a chance to be successful. So you may be correct that it is a budget thing, however it is alverez who decided to just scrap it instead of trying to fix it and make it successful. There a lot of reasons to do away with this tournament, scheduling being one,but budget issues just isn't one IMO.
 
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uwbadgers14 said:
I think poor management if the tournament is the reason it is going away. I think first off the teams that have come to it lately have been average at best. This was the best collection of ranked teams we have had in a long time but they still are not big name teams. They are in sense, hockey only schools.
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Management has nothing to do with that, as the Showdown was a victim of it's own success. Back then, there was the GLI and the Showdown - that was it. Now there are a ton of other schools that host their own tournaments, many of which would be attractive opponents. In short, it's next to impossible to get high quality, name opponents to come anymore.

Thats problem number 1, also the crowds for the early games have been terrible, some people don't even know its a tournament, they just go to the the badger game at 7:00. I feel they could have done better with attendance if UW played the afternoon game both days, easier time for family's to make they games, then i think more people may stay for the 2nd game.
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You may feel that way, but that doesn't make it a good idea.

these games are not on TV anyway so there is not reason on a holiday weekend to have the badgers play at 7:00, specially the sunday game when kids have school the next day. I think the whole tournament has been mismanaged and not cared about in recent years, and thats why it is going away. If they could get a crowd for the non UW game both by moving it after the UW game so more people will stay and bringing in better teams it had a chance to be successful. So you may be correct that it is a budget thing, however it is alverez who decided to just scrap it instead of trying to fix it and make it successful. There a lot of reasons to do away with this tournament, scheduling being one,but budget issues just isn't one IMO.
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They've been trying to fix it for years. They tried to fix it by moving it to Madison and including it with the season ticket package. That only kept it on life support for a few years more.
 
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Timothy A said:
I think the length of time he stays depends on who picks him up and what their needs are, but the fact that he made the World Jr Team speaks to his rapid development. He doesn't have the flash of Smith or McB, but a team wanting a dependable D for their 2nd or 3rd pairing would want him. If he develops a little more O, the quicker he is gone.
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I understand that each case should be evaluated differently because no two situations are the same, but if Jamie McBain (second round pick, Hobey Baker finalist, two time USA WJC selection) played three years at UW (and there was a lot of talk about him wanting to stay for his senior season), and Ryan McDonagh (first round draft pick, USA WJC selection) played at least 3 years at Wisconsin, and Cody Goloubef (second round draft pick, Canada WJC selection) played at least 3 years at Wisconsin, and Brendan Smith (first round draft pick) played at least 3 years at Wisconsin, John freaking Ramage is going to play at least 3 years at Wisconsin.

And that is no slight on Ramage at all. The kid is a good player and he's having a good season. But he's not a "I'm leaving after one or two years" kind of player. He'll be drafted this summer after going un-drafted last year, there is no doubt about that. And unless Garth Snow picks him and thinks that Eaves turned into Lucia in developing players, the kid is going to be in cardinal and white for at minimum three seasons.
 
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uwbadgers14 said:
... also the crowds for the early games have been terrible, some people don't even know its a tournament, they just go to the the badger game at 7:00.
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At the end of the Saturday night Badger/Merrimack game, the PA announcer announced only the time of the Badger game the following day. It was embarrassing that he didn't even acknowledge the afternoon game.
 
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RedFreak said:
At the end of the Saturday night Badger/Merrimack game, the PA announcer announced only the time of the Badger game the following day. It was embarrassing that he didn't even acknowledge the afternoon game.
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yep, thats my point.... it just is not a well ran tournament anymore and the fact that the UW games are not even on TV is a another example of that, had saturdays game been on TV they probably could have sold some more tickets for the championship game on sunday. its the small stuff. Its great the FSN Wisconsin showed a ACC bball game instead of the UW championship game last night.... just a lack of effort on UW's part and probably just a lack of caring as well. But its still a good thing for the schedule anyway.
 
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uwbadgers14 said:
yep, thats my point.... it just is not a well ran tournament anymore and the fact that the UW games are not even on TV is a another example of that, had saturdays game been on TV they probably could have sold some more tickets for the championship game on sunday. its the small stuff. Its great the FSN Wisconsin showed a ACC bball game instead of the UW championship game last night.... just a lack of effort on UW's part and probably just a lack of caring as well. But its still a good thing for the schedule anyway.
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Dude, effort has nothing to do with it. Effort doesn't just magically make money. Effort isn't going to get the Saturday game on TV.
 
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blockski said:
Dude, effort has nothing to do with it. Effort doesn't just magically make money. Effort isn't going to get the Saturday game on TV.
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REALLY?? that could be the dumbest statement i have ever heard, thats exactly what effort does. Effort, trying to market it better, trying to get better more popular teams to come?? Effort, maybe asking the Wisconsin Channel to put on the game instead of what ever brutal tv they had playing the last two nights instead. Put forth an effort at least, i know people in the UW athletic department, but they take there direction from the top. maybe if all of them didn't bolt to florida for the bowl game because that what barry wants, more of them could have been been here to help put on a great FINAL Showdown. A lack of EFFORT is the reason why the CRHC has only sold 37,000 tickets, not even half of what there goal was.... People around UW athletics need to wake up and realize what happening to the hockey program.
 
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uwbadgers14 said:
yep, thats my point.... it just is not a well ran tournament anymore and the fact that the UW games are not even on TV is a another example of that, had saturdays game been on TV they probably could have sold some more tickets for the championship game on sunday. its the small stuff. Its great the FSN Wisconsin showed a ACC bball game instead of the UW championship game last night.... just a lack of effort on UW's part and probably just a lack of caring as well. But its still a good thing for the schedule anyway.
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If Wisconsin could tell TV producers when the Badger hockey team should be on TV, we would be televised every game. Since they don't have that ability, we are on TV when the TV people say we are on TV. Quit acting like its the Wisconsin athletics fault when we aren't televised.
 
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Here's a novel idea.....show up to the game!!!

Why should games be televised in Madison if the Kohl Center isn't selling out? (In the NFL if you don't sell out a game...no local TV.) If there's a game in Madison and I don't go for whatever reason, I feel like I'm missing something. One might say that if the games were on TV, there would be more interest and more people would show up to games...pure horse hockey. Who in Madison isn't aware of Badger hockey?

It's weird sitting at home, watching a game at an arena 10 miles away, that isn't full.
 
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uwbadgers14 said:
yep, which i think was the only way UW was going to win that game last night was if goody won it for them, just way too much mix matching of lines and players for there to be any constant offensive pressure, example, getting out shot as bad as we did. And had C. Smith not taken a really dumb penalty we probably could have gotten out of there with a W..
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C Smith also made a big save before this when Goody was sprawled on the ice in the 3rd. His penalty was dumb, but if he doesn't make that save for Goody, it might be a loss (depending upon how the game plays out).

He needs to be reined in, he did the same thing at North Dakota too. He reminds me of Blake Geoffrion (aka Captain Asskicker) as a freshman, just that he has contributed on offense A LOT, where Geoffrion was basically just taking dumb penalties.
 
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