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Who will be the 7th member of the Big Ten Hockey Conference?

Re: Who will be the 7th member of the Big Ten Hockey Conference?

I was an UNO fan, I would be really worried that UNL would tell Trev Alberts to shut down the hockey team in Omaha as a "Cost Cutting Measure" so that the squad in Lincoln could scoop up the talent there. :mad:
I swore I read somewhere that UNO dropped wrestling and football so Hockey could be their #1 sport.
 
Re: Who will be the 7th member of the Big Ten Hockey Conference?

I was an UNO fan, I would be really worried that UNL would tell Trev Alberts to shut down the hockey team in Omaha as a "Cost Cutting Measure" so that the squad in Lincoln could scoop up the talent there. :mad:

Trev Alberts == Mack Portera? :confused:
 
Re: Who will be the 7th member of the Big Ten Hockey Conference?

I swore I read somewhere that UNO dropped wrestling and football so Hockey could be their #1 sport.

Correctomundo.

Both on the same day, which also was the same day that UNO won the National Championship in wrestling.

Trev Alberts took a lot of heat for dropping these programs (dropping them was justified and needed, IMHO) and he really got it for the "insensitivity" of it being the day the wrestling team won the title and how they were notified about it.

I have no idea where this Lincoln arena thing is really going, if anywhere, but, how great would it be to have an NCHC team in Omaha and a Big 10 team in Lincoln? One can dream. Being in different conferences is the ONLY way this could work, IF it even could, I think. Then you could have crossover fans, me among them, maybe. Gotta contemplate that one for awhile. Don't know what I'd do if the two ever had to play each other (a high likelihood).

The two-team-single-sport-thing already works here. Creighton basketball is by far more popular than NU basketball. They coexist. There is also an Omaha vs. Lincoln thing/component to all this that you'd have to live here to really understand.
 
Re: Who will be the 7th member of the Big Ten Hockey Conference?

Correctomundo.

Both on the same day, which also was the same day that UNO won the National Championship in wrestling.

Trev Alberts took a lot of heat for dropping these programs (dropping them was justified and needed, IMHO) and he really got it for the "insensitivity" of it being the day the wrestling team won the title and how they were notified about it.

I have no idea where this Lincoln arena thing is really going, if anywhere, but, how great would it be to have an NCHC team in Omaha and a Big 10 team in Lincoln? One can dream. Being in different conferences is the ONLY way this could work, IF it even could, I think. Then you could have crossover fans, me among them, maybe. Gotta contemplate that one for awhile. Don't know what I'd do if the two ever had to play each other (a high likelihood).

The two-team-single-sport-thing already works here. Creighton basketball is by far more popular than NU basketball. They coexist. There is also an Omaha vs. Lincoln thing/component to all this that you'd have to live here to really understand.
I have family in Omaha. HUGE Husker fans and also UNO hockey season ticket holders. I'd imagine they would have a similar dilemma if Nebraska added D-1 hockey.
 
Re: Who will be the 7th member of the Big Ten Hockey Conference?

I have family in Omaha. HUGE Husker fans and also UNO hockey season ticket holders. I'd imagine they would have a similar dilemma if Nebraska added D-1 hockey.

I have a hunch they eventually will.. My guess is they'll be wined and dined until they do.. A friend of mine who writes for the examiner wrote an article on this topic earlier in the year when I asked him some questions, he did some poking around and it wouldn't surprise me to see it happen.. Remember how MN was "asked" to join the Big 10 because of the $ MN was making in hockey and losing in Football, I think the reverse will play out in Nebraska..
 
Correctomundo.

Both on the same day, which also was the same day that UNO won the National Championship in wrestling.

Trev Alberts took a lot of heat for dropping these programs (dropping them was justified and needed, IMHO) and he really got it for the "insensitivity" of it being the day the wrestling team won the title and how they were notified about it.

I have no idea where this Lincoln arena thing is really going, if anywhere, but, how great would it be to have an NCHC team in Omaha and a Big 10 team in Lincoln? One can dream. Being in different conferences is the ONLY way this could work, IF it even could, I think. Then you could have crossover fans, me among them, maybe. Gotta contemplate that one for awhile. Don't know what I'd do if the two ever had to play each other (a high likelihood).

The two-team-single-sport-thing already works here. Creighton basketball is by far more popular than NU basketball. They coexist. There is also an Omaha vs. Lincoln thing/component to all this that you'd have to live here to really understand.
Any AD who's willing to drop a successful minor sport program right after they won their third national championship is someone who's not to be trusted. Heck, wrestling is fairly cheap to operate. Just need a couple of mats, head gear, singlets, and shoes. Heck, you wanna get down to it, wrestlings biggest expense is that there's no good female equalent sport to have an equal number of female scholarships with.
 
Re: Who will be the 7th member of the Big Ten Hockey Conference?

Any AD who's willing to drop a successful minor sport program right after they won their third national championship is someone who's not to be trusted. Heck, wrestling is fairly cheap to operate. Just need a couple of mats, head gear, singlets, and shoes. Heck, you wanna get down to it, wrestlings biggest expense is that there's no good female equalent sport to have an equal number of female scholarships with.


The scholarships are the biggest expense, and it doesn't matter what women's sport they have, the same number of scholarships will be needed. They can always start track and field, or rowing which are otherwise cheap sports.

I wouldn't be surprised if many athletic programs are truly bloated with extra employees, but since they are government union workers, nothing can be done about unbloating these departments.
 
Re: Who will be the 7th member of the Big Ten Hockey Conference?

well, duh. the Big Ten will be adding hockey teams. who next? I thought Illinois, but maybe it will be Nebraska. if they move the UNO team to Lincoln, what about the NaCHos?
 
Re: Who will be the 7th member of the Big Ten Hockey Conference?

I have a hunch they eventually will.. My guess is they'll be wined and dined until they do.. A friend of mine who writes for the examiner wrote an article on this topic earlier in the year when I asked him some questions, he did some poking around and it wouldn't surprise me to see it happen.. Remember how MN was "asked" to join the Big 10 because of the $ MN was making in hockey and losing in Football, I think the reverse will play out in Nebraska..

http://www2.indystar.com/NCAA_financial_reports/revenue_stat/show?school_id=73

Minnesota makes money in football. They clear about $7.5M in both football and men's bball. Overall, the athletic department needs a $9M subsidy to stay afloat. The financial reports don't break down non-revenue sports other than women's bball. If hockey is making money, it's not making a lot.
 
Re: Who will be the 7th member of the Big Ten Hockey Conference?

Any AD who's willing to drop a successful minor sport program right after they won their third national championship is someone who's not to be trusted. Heck, wrestling is fairly cheap to operate. Just need a couple of mats, head gear, singlets, and shoes. Heck, you wanna get down to it, wrestlings biggest expense is that there's no good female equalent sport to have an equal number of female scholarships with.

Outwardly, this might seem so.

However, you need to understand that this was done in conjunction with UNO's announcement of going Division 1 and joining the Summit League in everything except hockey where they were already D-1 and in the WCHA.

Football was no brainer. As a D-2 member UNO had averaged between 2,000 and 3,000 fans per game for a long time time. Not only did UNO football have to live in the shadow of University of Nebraska football if they went D-1 but they would have had to have massively upgraded the football facilities as well. Caniglia Field only seats about 9500 for football. This is way below the NCAA minimum for a D-1 program. It's a quaint stadium in a beautiful setting but there is a high school complex in Lincoln, NE that puts it to shame, not withstanding a bunch of Texas high school complexes that do the same thing. Additionally, Summit League schools do not sanction football, anyway. Football was losing money hand over fist, and, had been for a long time.

Wrestling was more complicated. Even though UNO had one of the biggest wrestling budgets in all of D-2 and the results to go with it, it was maybe half what they would have needed to spend to be competitive in D-1 (based on a what is currently spent on wrestling in D-1, on average), and, wrestling is also not a D-1 sport in the Summit League. UNO was already funding more wrestling scholarships in D-2 than any other D-2 school as it was. That ante was going to have be upped pretty dramatically to continue that level of success and the program would have also had to have found a home in another D-1 conference besides the Summit League for wrestling to continue on in any event. Interestingly, such an option was available. There are a couple of other Summit League schools in the Western Wrestling Conference:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Wrestling_Conference

............but UNO (read:Trev Alberts) deemed it too expensive for reasons already mentioned, anyway, and passed without even seriously looking into it.

This article was published by the Omaha World Herald at the start of this whole process. Anybody looking for more detail would have no trouble finding more.

http://www.omaha.com/article/20110313/NEWS01/703139891

FYI, I support and agree with Trev Alberts decision(s) here. He said the entire athletic department would have been broke in 5 years if he hadn't taken these steps and there is no doubt in my mind that he was right. I can totally understand why outsiders looking in might think his actions were stupid or wrong. He's defended himself and his decision ever since and I support him. They hired him to clean up the mess that was the UNO Athletic Department and, IMHO, he's made sure we're gonna have one in the future. Do a Google search about what went on in UNO's Athletic Department between Trev's tenure and Bob Dannenhauer's tenure as AD, previously, at UNO and you'll see what sort of mess Trev inherited.

You have to remember that UNO hockey has also lost money ever since they moved from the Omaha Civic Auditorium to the Qwest, now Centurylink Center. This is because UNO is playing in a city-owned facility (which is the reason alcohol is readily available at UNO games) and they do not control most of the revenues including suites, parking, and concessions besides all of the ticket revenue. Ever wonder why it is if you browse around to various college hockey web sites and see all kinds of different seating capacities for the Centurylink Center in Omaha for hockey and why this is? One reason is that the city expanded the arena 4 years after it opened and added an upper deck that didn't previously exist at one end of the arena. That added a couple thousand seats.

The other reason is because the school does not control all the seats in the arena. There are a lot of seats that have been sold to "seat license holders" by the City's administrator of the arena, MECA:

http://www.omahameca.com/

These seat license holder's seats are deducted from the hockey capacity in a lot of cases on these web sites. These seats are literally owned by people that MECA has sold them to. These people own these seats for any and every function in the arena, including UNO hockey.

The hockey capacity in this building is 16,680. Any other number you read less than that is wrong. Even the building's own web site gives this number, by the way. Its amazing how many smaller numbers you can find if you look around.

UNO's deletion of football and wrestling, as well as their simultaneous declaration that they are a "hockey school", cemented the future of UNO hockey, which really was in some jeopardy.

The school's lease with the city at Centurylink ends at the end of the 2013 season. If the city does not give them a much more favorable lease they will likely build a new area that they, themselves, control.

What I think is more likely is that they get the lease they want and they will then build the practice facility they desperately need instead of building an an actual arena. UNO can't afford, really, to build the arena (size-wise) that they need. And, the City of Omaha can't afford to lose them as a tenant. Their upcoming series with UMD on the 13th & 14th is going to draw north of 25,000 (well over 20,000 tickets for the two games have already been sold) and UNO can't afford to build an arena to accommodate this kind of following, or, so popular opinion says around here. The talk has been of building an arena that seats "around" 8,000. UNO has averaged better than that number 9 out of it's 15 season of existence. It would seem stupid to walk away from a possibility of having a 10,000+ person per game team playing in an 8,000 person per game arena. Omaha is the 59th largest metro area in the country. It would be a shame to walk away from potential ticket buyers.

Lastly, Title 9 was also a BIG consideration in the decision to do away with the wrestling and football programs, given what UNO had to add, program-wise, after these deletions.
 
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Re: Who will be the 7th member of the Big Ten Hockey Conference?

I have no idea where this Lincoln arena thing is really going, if anywhere, but, how great would it be to have an NCHC team in Omaha and a Big 10 team in Lincoln? One can dream. Being in different conferences is the ONLY way this could work, IF it even could, I think. Then you could have crossover fans, me among them, maybe. Gotta contemplate that one for awhile. Don't know what I'd do if the two ever had to play each other (a high likelihood).

It wouldn't be a high likelihood... it would be an EVERY SINGLE YEAR thing, probably a home and home. And I'm sure over time UNO fans would begin to hate the Huskers hockey team. They'll start out hating you guys, so that'll help.
 
Re: Who will be the 7th member of the Big Ten Hockey Conference?

Outwardly, this might seem so.

However, you need to understand that this was done in conjunction with UNO's announcement of going Division 1 and joining the Summit League in everything except hockey where they were already D-1 and in the WCHA.

Football was no brainer. As a D-2 member UNO had averaged between 2,000 and 3,000 fans per game for a long time time. Not only did UNO football have to live in the shadow of University of Nebraska football if they went D-1 but they would have had to have massively upgraded the football facilities as well. Caniglia Field only seats about 9500 for football. This is way below the NCAA minimum for a D-1 program. It's a quaint stadium in a beautiful setting but there is a high school complex in Lincoln, NE that puts it to shame, not withstanding a bunch of Texas high school complexes that do the same thing. Additionally, Summit League schools do not sanction football, anyway. Football was losing money hand over fist, and, had been for a long time.

Wrestling was more complicated. Even though UNO had one of the biggest wrestling budgets in all of D-2 and the results to go with it, it was maybe half what they would have needed to spend to be competitive in D-1 (based on a what is currently spent on wrestling in D-1, on average), and, wrestling is also not a D-1 sport in the Summit League. UNO was already funding more wrestling scholarships in D-2 than any other D-2 school as it was. That ante was going to have be upped pretty dramatically to continue that level of success and the program would have also had to have found a home in another D-1 conference besides the Summit League for wrestling to continue on in any event. Interestingly, such an option was available. There are a couple of other Summit League schools in the Western Wrestling Conference:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Wrestling_Conference

............but UNO (read:Trev Alberts) deemed it too expensive for reasons already mentioned, anyway, and passed without even seriously looking into it.

This article was published by the Omaha World Herald at the start of this whole process. Anybody looking for more detail would have no trouble finding more.

http://www.omaha.com/article/20110313/NEWS01/703139891

FYI, I support and agree with Trev Alberts decision(s) here. He said the entire athletic department would have been broke in 5 years if he hadn't taken these steps and there is no doubt in my mind that he was right. I can totally understand why outsiders looking in might think his actions were stupid or wrong. He's defended himself and his decision ever since and I support him. They hired him to clean up the mess that was the UNO Athletic Department and, IMHO, he's made sure we're gonna have one in the future. Do a Google search about what went on in UNO's Athletic Department between Trev's tenure and Bob Dannenhauer's tenure as AD, previously, at UNO and you'll see what sort of mess Trev inherited.

You have to remember that UNO hockey has also lost money ever since they moved from the Omaha Civic Auditorium to the Qwest, now Centurylink Center. This is because UNO is playing in a city-owned facility (which is the reason alcohol is readily available at UNO games) and they do not control most of the revenues including suites, parking, and concessions besides all of the ticket revenue. Ever wonder why it is if you browse around to various college hockey web sites and see all kinds of different seating capacities for the Centurylink Center in Omaha for hockey and why this is? One reason is that the city expanded the arena 4 years after it opened and added an upper deck that didn't previously exist at one end of the arena. That added a couple thousand seats.

The other reason is because the school does not control all the seats in the arena. There are a lot of seats that have been sold to "seat license holders" by the City's administrator of the arena, MECA:

http://www.omahameca.com/

These seat license holder's seats are deducted from the hockey capacity in a lot of cases on these web sites. These seats are literally owned by people that MECA has sold them to. These people own these seats for any and every function in the arena, including UNO hockey.

The hockey capacity in this building is 16,680. Any other number you read less than that is wrong. Even the building's own web site gives this number, by the way. Its amazing how many smaller numbers you can find if you look around.

UNO's deletion of football and wrestling, as well as their simultaneous declaration that they are a "hockey school", cemented the future of UNO hockey, which really was in some jeopardy.

The school's lease with the city at Centurylink ends at the end of the 2013 season. If the city does not give them a much more favorable lease they will likely build a new area that they, themselves, control.

What I think is more likely is that they get the lease they want and they will then build the practice facility they desperately need instead of building an an actual arena. UNO can't afford, really, to build the arena (size-wise) that they need. And, the City of Omaha can't afford to lose them as a tenant. Their upcoming series with UMD on the 13th & 14th is going to draw north of 25,000 (well over 20,000 tickets for the two games have already been sold) and UNO can't afford to build an arena to accommodate this kind of following, or, so popular opinion says around here. The talk has been of building an arena that seats "around" 8,000. UNO has averaged better than that number 9 out of it's 15 season of existence. It would seem stupid to walk away from a possibility of having a 10,000+ person per game team playing in an 8,000 person per game arena. Omaha is the 59th largest metro area in the country. It would be a shame to walk away from potential ticket buyers.

Lastly, Title 9 was also a BIG consideration in the decision to do away with the wrestling and football programs, given what UNO had to add, program-wise, after these deletions.
You do realize that UNO is pretty much going to be spending probably around 8 Million a year just to get the basketball scores on ESPN's ticker right?? Trev is going to leave UNO high and dry the second that Lincoln gives him a job offer and he'll laugh about it the whole way. The only way Lincoln might come to play BB in Omaha is because you've already have that big arena to play in, and you know what, probably about half the student section is going to be wearing Huskers gear and cheering for them. That's not what you want for your athletic department.
 
Re: Who will be the 7th member of the Big Ten Hockey Conference?

Remember how MN was "asked" to join the Big 10 because of the $ MN was making in hockey and losing in Football, I think the reverse will play out in Nebraska..

You mean that Minnesota was making money on it's non-existent hockey team in 1896 when they joined the Big 10? Wow - I've seen some ridiculous statements here, but that one might just take the cake...
 
Re: Who will be the 7th member of the Big Ten Hockey Conference?

You do realize that UNO is pretty much going to be spending probably around 8 Million a year just to get the basketball scores on ESPN's ticker right?? Trev is going to leave UNO high and dry the second that Lincoln gives him a job offer and he'll laugh about it the whole way. The only way Lincoln might come to play BB in Omaha is because you've already have that big arena to play in, and you know what, probably about half the student section is going to be wearing Huskers gear and cheering for them. That's not what you want for your athletic department.

That whole "Trev is taking the UNL job the second T.O. leaves" refrain is one I have my doubts about. As the owner of a wholesale business in this area, I have had the opportunity to know and meet a lot of other fellow business owners that are customers of my business. Some of them are pretty big UNL benefactors. Every one I have ever asked about this tell me they think it's not going to happen. The names I get thrown at me every time I've asked this question of these supposedly in-the-know people are Executive Associate Athletic Director Marc Boehm, Associate Athletic Director for Development Paul Meyers, and Jeff Jamrog, the Assistant Athletic Director for Football Operations, as the individuals with the most likelihood of landing the gig when the time comes.

I'm not saying they would not talk to him or even hire him, but I've been told that hiring Alberts is not any sort of slam dunk at all.

FYI, UNO does not and will not play basketball at the Centurylink Center. When they go D-1 next year in the Summit League they will be playing in this new arena, currently under construction (not on campus):

http://www.omavs.com/sports/2011/10/12/MBB_1012111431.aspx?path=mbball

They currently play in their on campus arena, the Sapp Fieldhouse, where they have played since 1949.

By the way, Creighton men's basketball is king around here, not Nebraska. The Huskers have always stunk. They have NEVER won an NCAA tournament game, having the distinction of being one of only three BCS programs to have never won a single game in the NCAA Tournament. Hell, they've only been to the dance 6 times, ever. NU hasn't won a conference title since sharing the Big Seven Conference with Kansas and Kansas State in 1950, and they haven't won an outright conference title since going a perfect 12-0 as part of the Missouri Valley Intercollegiate Athletic Association in 1916.

I do think the two schools will play and it's already been discussed. UNO and UNL are part of the same university system in our state.
 
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http://www2.indystar.com/NCAA_financial_reports/revenue_stat/show?school_id=73

Minnesota makes money in football. They clear about $7.5M in both football and men's bball. Overall, the athletic department needs a $9M subsidy to stay afloat. The financial reports don't break down non-revenue sports other than women's bball. If hockey is making money, it's not making a lot.

I don't know if $4+ million is considered a lot or not...
 
Re: Who will be the 7th member of the Big Ten Hockey Conference?

You mean that Minnesota was making money on it's non-existent hockey team in 1896 when they joined the Big 10? Wow - I've seen some ridiculous statements here, but that one might just take the cake...

My point is in comparison, WCHA to Big 10 football, The other Big 10 football programs carry the Gophers, much like the Gophers were carrying some of the smaller WCHA programs in MN. MN Hockey had the largest television contract with FSN(MN). Ohio State, Penn State, WI has a huge market in comparison (football).. The money came out of one pocket and into the other when it comes to UofM Athletics. In short Minnesota had nothing to gain by going to the Big 10, but really had little choice.
 
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Why are Wisconsin's expenses so much higher for hockey than Minnesota?

No clue. Good question though.

Rumor I heard was that UMN wasn't really that excited about leaving the WCHA, but they were leaned on the Big Ten. UMN makes money on football, but not nearly as much as Ohio State, Penn State, etc.. Conversely, Ohio State's hockey programs have been hemorraging money. Minnesota Football would struggle without the Big Ten and some of the other hockey programs were struggling without a BTHC.
 
Re: Who will be the 7th member of the Big Ten Hockey Conference?

No clue. Good question though.

Rumor I heard was that UMN wasn't really that excited about leaving the WCHA, but they were leaned on the Big Ten. UMN makes money on football, but not nearly as much as Ohio State, Penn State, etc.. Conversely, Ohio State's hockey programs have been hemorraging money. Minnesota Football would struggle without the Big Ten and some of the other hockey programs were struggling without a BTHC.

Be careful, you may just come in 2nd for dumbest post around, afterall you are a Gopher Hockey fan and in order to be in the cool crowd on this board that just wont cut it..
 
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