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Who will be the 7th member of the Big Ten Hockey Conference?

Some people might not like those additions but they are very wise additions. UConn (and maybe Kansas or Mizzou) is likely the next logical step for many reasons. I honestly prefer the Hockey East for hockey. But a few other sports get priority.

Mizzou just joined the SEC last year. Unless they are looking for an easier football conference to play in, I doubt they're going anywhere soon. Georgia Tech is a name that has been bandied about in many places and would deliver the Atlanta market to the BTN.
 
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Mizzou just joined the SEC last year. Unless they are looking for an easier football conference to play in, I doubt they're going anywhere soon. Georgia Tech is a name that has been bandied about in many places and would deliver the Atlanta market to the BTN.

Mizzou has been embarrassed by the B1G. Its just the way things unfolded. I don't think they're switching without a major hat-in-hand move.

I hope GT is not brought in...they'd be a geographic, cultural and rivalry orphan. If you're going to do this, at least bring in Florida State. At least State has a football program with a national rep, it brings a major state of FL (more fans than GA)...and although its not adjacent to B1G country, FL is full of northerners (and esp those from the north east). Florida state could be to the B1G what the Cowboys are to the NFC east. Having said that, Florida state is a big risk...as they'd probably bolt if the SEC ever came knocking (which they might if B1G started moving into FL).
 
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Yeah, would have to agree with ya on that. If they think Rutgers isn't doing enough to lock up the NYC market, UCONN would be in play. Of course, with as probably as active as alumni groups are within the NYC area are, I would think that Rutgers would be getting a big boost in ticket sales, filling seats, and helping the B1G network break into the cable market there.
I wouldn't count on Rutgers to do anything for the New York tv market. I once attended a presentation by Mike Tragehse they ex-Big East ocmmissionor on the New York market for college sports which was pretty fascinating and mad a lot of sense. In his view, particularly for college sports, there really isn't a "college market" that nay one team can bring you. Not Rutgers, not Army, Not UConn, not New York's self proclaimed college team Syracuse. For college athletics the New York market is essensially a series of smaller sub markets. There are UConn fans in Fairfield county, where they are dominant, and Rutgers fans in parts of New Jersey,where they dominate but there are also St Johns fans and Michigan fans and Notre Dame fans and Syracuse fans and fans of lots of other schools. The Big East managed to have success in New York by controlling multiple fan bases across the spectrum. In basketball they had UConn, Syracuse, Rutgers plus St Johns and Seton Hall, in football UConn, Syracuse, and Rutgers and for a while Miami which also had NY fans. As a result they were able to parlay that support into something that was bigger than the individual bases. In effect they created Big East fans, but it required lots of effort to bring lots of pieces together. His view was that most market analysis, and most other conferences mis-read things and assume that if you had Rutgers or Syracuse or UConn or St Johns you could get the New York market. In reality you only get the Rutgers sub-market, and maybe some of the smaller Big 10 alumni markets, leaving the UConn and Syracuse pieces on the table(not to mention St Johns, Seton Hall et al). And if Michigan only plays in Piscataway every 4-6 years, how big a deal is Rutgers to the Big 10 really going to be to them. They may actually be worse off. Rather than get th eBig 10 network on a free tier, now they have to pay premium prices in return for getting their team live once in a while. That model is actually applicable to a lot of major cities, especially on the East Coast where professional athletics dominate.In effect the NFL has managed to unify Michigan grads and UConn grads behind the Giants. Boston College, for example, is no more in control of the Boston market, nor Temple in the Philly market. Both pale in comparison to the Patriots and the Eagles.
 
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Jim, excellent post. I was going to jump in and make essentially the same points, but decided that others such as yourself could handle it more effectively. Nice discussion.
 
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I wouldn't count on Rutgers to do anything for the New York tv market. I once attended a presentation by Mike Tragehse they ex-Big East ocmmissionor on the New York market for college sports which was pretty fascinating and mad a lot of sense. In his view, particularly for college sports, there really isn't a "college market" that nay one team can bring you. Not Rutgers, not Army, Not UConn, not New York's self proclaimed college team Syracuse. For college athletics the New York market is essensially a series of smaller sub markets. There are UConn fans in Fairfield county, where they are dominant, and Rutgers fans in parts of New Jersey,where they dominate but there are also St Johns fans and Michigan fans and Notre Dame fans and Syracuse fans and fans of lots of other schools. The Big East managed to have success in New York by controlling multiple fan bases across the spectrum. In basketball they had UConn, Syracuse, Rutgers plus St Johns and Seton Hall, in football UConn, Syracuse, and Rutgers and for a while Miami which also had NY fans. As a result they were able to parlay that support into something that was bigger than the individual bases. In effect they created Big East fans, but it required lots of effort to bring lots of pieces together. His view was that most market analysis, and most other conferences mis-read things and assume that if you had Rutgers or Syracuse or UConn or St Johns you could get the New York market. In reality you only get the Rutgers sub-market, and maybe some of the smaller Big 10 alumni markets, leaving the UConn and Syracuse pieces on the table(not to mention St Johns, Seton Hall et al). And if Michigan only plays in Piscataway every 4-6 years, how big a deal is Rutgers to the Big 10 really going to be to them. They may actually be worse off. Rather than get th eBig 10 network on a free tier, now they have to pay premium prices in return for getting their team live once in a while. That model is actually applicable to a lot of major cities, especially on the East Coast where professional athletics dominate.In effect the NFL has managed to unify Michigan grads and UConn grads behind the Giants. Boston College, for example, is no more in control of the Boston market, nor Temple in the Philly market. Both pale in comparison to the Patriots and the Eagles.

For the record I vehemently hated the idea of Rutgers going to join the Big Ten. I just don't think UConn is even remotely close to being on the Big Ten's radar like the other guy said. And one quick correction -Michigan will be playing in Piscataway every other year.
 
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Rutgers wasn't delivering the NYC market they were delivering cable subscribers. There is a difference. ;)
 
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Yeah. I think the B1G knew the math when they made the decision. I don't think they planned on having Rutgers deliver NYC. If it delivers much of NJ and creates a rival that solidifies Penn St in the conference + starts to deliver some awareness out east...some eyeballs in NYC is a bonus. In other words, its not Kansas nor Ole Miss.
 
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For the record I vehemently hated the idea of Rutgers going to join the Big Ten. I just don't think UConn is even remotely close to being on the Big Ten's radar like the other guy said. And one quick correction -Michigan will be playing in Piscataway every other year.

I don't think so. If the B10 expands UCONN makes a nice addition. UCONN has a similar situation to Rutgers in that sports fans in that state might unite on UCONN since they can be divided by both NYC and Boston pro teams and don't have a true CT pro team anymore.

It comes down to what UCONN brings to the table.
Flag Ship state school. Check
Decent fan base and following. Check
Successful and growing athletic department. Check and it could make the mens basketball conference the best in the country.
Rivalries with existing B10 schools? Check. They would resume rivalry with Rutgers in football and would have a great basketball rivalry with Maryland, Ohio St, and Mich St.

One other perk would be that it might make it a little bit of an easier sell for B10 to host football championships at the Meadowlands and the basketball tournament at MSG.
 
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I don't think so. If the B10 expands UCONN makes a nice addition. UCONN has a similar situation to Rutgers in that sports fans in that state might unite on UCONN since they can be divided by both NYC and Boston pro teams and don't have a true CT pro team anymore.

It comes down to what UCONN brings to the table.
Flag Ship state school. Check
Decent fan base and following. Check
Successful and growing athletic department. Check and it could make the mens basketball conference the best in the country.
Rivalries with existing B10 schools? Check. They would resume rivalry with Rutgers in football and would have a great basketball rivalry with Maryland, Ohio St, and Mich St.

LOL!!! Mizzou had all this and more and the Big Ten said no thanks even when Mizzou was willing to join under special circumstances(taking less money in the beginning.) The ACC passed on UConn for Louisville, Pitt, and Syracuse. That should tell you something. The Big Ten would also never take UConn for academic reasons.(Nebraska just barely made the cut) But you and the lesbian can keep telling yourselves that a Big Ten offer is right around the corner!
 
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Let's see....UConn brings in no new market, doesn't upgrade the conference athletics(particularly football), is a sub-par academic school, and their premiere sport was just banned from the postseason for APR issues. NOT A GOOD FIT.

Most of this is 100% right. The only part that was not factually correct was Uconn's premier sport. However, it is completely understandable given that both the men and women hoops players there have the same deep voices, amounts of body hair, and laryngeal prominence.


:D
 
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UConn adds the Hartford TV mkt, don't forget.

Only similarity to Rutgers is a value play (buying on the cheap, can't fall any lower).
 
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LOL!!! Mizzou had all this and more and the Big Ten said no thanks even when Mizzou was willing to join under special circumstances(taking less money in the beginning.) The ACC passed on UConn for Louisville, Pitt, and Syracuse. That should tell you something. The Big Ten would also never take UConn for academic reasons.(Nebraska just barely made the cut) But you and the lesbian can keep telling yourselves that a Big Ten offer is right around the corner!
You clearly have not been following the media in B1G markets regarding conference expansion. Yes, I like women. Hope that's OK with you.

Louisville and Pitt were taken to beat the Big 12 to them. Syracuse was taken to appease BC and give them a rival from a neighboring state. The city itself is on a massive decline. BC also worked behind the scenes to keep UConn out because they fear us. Please continue.
 
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You clearly have not been following the media in B1G markets regarding conference expansion. Yes, I like women. Hope that's OK with you.

Louisville and Pitt were taken to beat the Big 12 to them. Syracuse was taken to appease BC and give them a rival from a neighboring state. The city itself is on a massive decline. BC also worked behind the scenes to keep UConn out because they fear us. Please continue.

Wow your fan base really is that delusional. Reminds me of Marquette fans saying they would be sure fire locks for the Big Ten if they added football.
Also how did you like Geno Auriemma as a coach?
 
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Adding UConn would have been 10x better than Rutgers. Not only do they suck at every sport, they hire psychotic coaches and administrators. So in other words- they'll fit right in with PSU. :D

At least UConn has won their conference (albeit a very ****ty one) in football recently, went to a BCS bowl (and got bombed) and won a (most likely tainted) national championship in basketball.

Going to be very very weird seeing Michigan play in a 40K seat stadium this fall at Rentschler.
 
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Adding UConn would have been 10x better than Rutgers. Not only do they suck at every sport, they hire psychotic coaches and administrators. So in other words- they'll fit right in with PSU. :D

At least UConn has won their conference (albeit a very ****ty one) in football recently, went to a BCS bowl (and got bombed) and won a (most likely tainted) national championship in basketball.

Going to be very very weird seeing Michigan play in a 40K seat stadium this fall at Rentschler.
Big East football was not bad. Louisville beat Florida in their last bowl game. We beat Louisville during the regular season.

We may be new at the FBS level, but have been playing football since 1896. That's as long as Michigan State. Difference here was private schools dominated until the past 30+ years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut_Huskies_football

Still can't stand the new logo. We also need to get rid of the **** DJ during games. The stadium is expandable to 50K+.
 
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