Welcome folks, to the Biden administration!

[rufus]

Again, I am going to vote Democrat and think they are in the right. Even believing they are right I don’t think it is a winning message though.

It's not the only message, fuckstick.

But its the one that troubles backwoods idiots such as yourself, and the only one you can seem to talk about. Time to grow up and enter the 21st century.

 

[MissThundercat]

Again, I am going to vote Democrat and think they are in the right. Even believing they are right I don’t think it is a winning message though.

I've been clean and sober for going on 2 years. Even if I wanted to get drunk and high right now, I couldn't because you've done all the drugs. I'll need to wait until you die and then smoke your ashes.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

I agree that renaming buildings or tearing down Confederate statues can be silly and is a good example of something that doesn't change much of anything and is therefore a virtue signal (like religious cons who make a big show of praying in public). What's as dumb or dumber though is the knuckledraggers who make a BFD out of it or who won't acknowledge that maybe we shouldn't be honoring slaveowners and segregationists by naming shit after them anymore. If you can't see that, then you are either fucking dumb, or a racist, or probably both.

 

[MichVandal]

I agree that renaming buildings or tearing down Confederate statues can be silly and is a good example of something that doesn't change much of anything and is therefore a virtue signal (like religious cons who make a big show of praying in public). What's as dumb or dumber though is the knuckledraggers who make a BFD out of it or who won't acknowledge that maybe we shouldn't be honoring slaveowners and segregationists by naming shit after them anymore. If you can't see that, then you are either fucking dumb, or a racist, or probably both.

Yea. First, the people being honored were losers. Literally losers- they lost a freaking war. Second, the time that people thought they should be honored was a time that being racist was a goal- making sure that people NEVER got the same rights that white men got. These items that are being taken down are horrible people who should have never been honored in the first place.

The whole point about the fear of CRT is that dumb white guys can't accept that their behavior is wrong. That's it. Children are not born racist- they are carefully taught it by their moron parents- who are so fearful of losing their power over people not like themselves.

drew- until these people are put down and EVERYONE is truly equal, then real democracy has never actually been born. We are not there, yet.

Everyone needs to be treated equally and with respect. Which is the entire point about all of these social issues that white dudes are getting so upset about.

 

[Handyman]

I’m sure he thinks the schools putting litter boxes for kids who identify as cats is real

I think the only place I would believe that story to be true would be San Francisco...and I think everyone gets why. ;^)

 

[Handyman]

Ugh this is a bad idea but...

It isn't about being nice to the White Men cause well, we suck. The truth is though there is a difference between winning and being right. Now, Drew sucks worse than Dems at messaging but in reality he isn't wrong. If our stated goal is to do what must be done to win, then we have to accept that some of the things we stand for will in fact get in the way of our goal. It is ridiculous, and completely fucked up, but that doesn't make it less true. We, as however we define our political selves, need to decide whether those risks are worth the damage. (to me they are obviously as I would rather go down fucking swinging) There is always going to be backlash though and at this point in history that backlash likely goes very badly for American Democracy...Americans are lazy and selfish so they have no issue swinging the pendulum into our nuts in retaliation. I mean look what happened because we elected a Black Man...

Personally, I say the Dems should hold a press conference tomorrow and go full Progressive Lefty and say "You have two choices, you either believe we are all people and have rights or fuck you". I honestly think that will work better than the mealy mouthed BS they do now where they try and be right while also not offending. That won't happen. (we need more like Eric Swalwell in attitude) The religious are going to be upset over LGBTQ+ issues (not all mind you but sadly most) and Women's Rights issues so fuck em let them be upset. Don't spit in their face about it (unless they spit in yours) but say "we get your point but this is America and we believe in rights. Don't like it leave, pray or shut the fuck up but get out of the way!". Stop trying to be the cool step dad who wants to be our friend and act like leaders. And for fucks sake STOP FIGHTING AMONGST YOURSELVES! If you want people to not believe that some mythical Uber Left Wing Cult in the party is controlling everything have a united front on all issues. Keep pushing the agenda left mind you but in front of the cameras you all stand together as a united front. Then you put faces on every issue from now til the Midterms and then til Nov. 2024. Make sure to have LGBTQ+ kids telling you about their experiences. We dont need old people like Nancy Pelosi to tell us and half the country will ignore her anyways. (including Dems) After every shooting have the victims speaking at PCs with Dems especially Biden. Have Catholic Biden reaffirm his support of Abortion and have him and other Dems meeting with women's rights activists in front of cameras every fucking month. Do something about Student Debt, push the Child Tax Credit and every fucking socialist idea that is popular and say "if you want this, vote us or shut up!". Make it so even the lazy media will actually discuss this stuff and not how gas went up a nickel so now Billy Bob's gas guzzling admission of a small penis costs too much to fill.

Look I think this whole thing is hanging by a thread so it is time to stop saying "well if just have the chance we will..." or "we are on the right side of history you guys are pricks!" just shut up and do it. If fuckwits like Joe Manchin stand in your way burn the motherfucker to the ground. No more gladhanding, no more taking the pulse of the voters...JUST FUCKING DO IT! If the GOP blocks you then do what they do and find a way around it. The only thing history looks less kindly on than traitors are the azzholes who stand around while they destroy everything. If 2024 is the end of the line for the current run of Democracy then we have 2 years to show the people what we really want them to see. That way when Civil War 2 ends and we hold the reins again we will do it all (though ten times harder and lefter) and they will deal.

Way less talk and way more action. Don't let the White Men in cafes in Trumplandia have a chance to even cry about it unless they go on Faux News. And if the media asks you say "we are fighting for the rights and liberty of everyone, and for Democracy, if you don't think that is a worthy endeavor then too bad!" The media hates being shamed...so fucking shame them on their own airwaves...they are complicit anyways.

If half the country hates you anyways...might as well give them something to hate you over amirite?

 

[rufus]

If half the country hates you anyways...might as well give them something to hate you over amirite?

Instead of the stuff they make up to hate you over.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

I don’t think anyone argues with drew in the fact that focusing on stupid things is stupid.

what is a joke is saying democracy matters and saying you voted for Susan , who thinks Donnie learned his lesson. And then coming out and basically saying fuck everyone else except for this one thing .

im sure someone will be along soon to correct me

 

[Handyman]

Oh Drew should be mocked hourly on the Susan Collins vote alone...

 

[psych]

I don’t think anyone argues with drew in the fact that focusing on stupid things is stupid.

what is a joke is saying democracy matters and saying you voted for Susan , who thinks Donnie learned his lesson. And then coming out and basically saying fuck everyone else except for this one thing .

im sure someone will be along soon to correct me

I’ll never tell you to be nicer to Drew. You vote for Susan Collins, or any Republican in this political environment, you’re a fucking traitor.

 

[Drew S.]

Just to be clear in case there is confusion, it wasn’t an up or down vote on Susan in the last election. Approximately 10% of the state voted for both her and Biden.

 

[Kepler]

Personally, I say the Dems should hold a press conference tomorrow and go full Progressive Lefty and say "You have two choices, you either believe we are all people and have rights or fuck you". I honestly think that will work better than the mealy mouthed BS they do now where they try and be right while also not offending. That won't happen. (we need more like Eric Swalwell in attitude) The religious are going to be upset over LGBTQ+ issues (not all mind you but sadly most) and Women's Rights issues so fuck em let them be upset. Don't spit in their face about it (unless they spit in yours) but say "we get your point but this is America and we believe in rights. Don't like it leave, pray or shut the fuck up but get out of the way!". Stop trying to be the cool step dad who wants to be our friend and act like leaders. And for fucks sake STOP FIGHTING AMONGST YOURSELVES! If you want people to not believe that some mythical Uber Left Wing Cult in the party is controlling everything have a united front on all issues. Keep pushing the agenda left mind you but in front of the cameras you all stand together as a united front. Then you put faces on every issue from now til the Midterms and then til Nov. 2024. Make sure to have LGBTQ+ kids telling you about their experiences. We dont need old people like Nancy Pelosi to tell us and half the country will ignore her anyways. (including Dems) After every shooting have the victims speaking at PCs with Dems especially Biden. Have Catholic Biden reaffirm his support of Abortion and have him and other Dems meeting with women's rights activists in front of cameras every fucking month. Do something about Student Debt, push the Child Tax Credit and every fucking socialist idea that is popular and say "if you want this, vote us or shut up!". Make it so even the lazy media will actually discuss this stuff and not how gas went up a nickel so now Billy Bob's gas guzzling admission of a small ***** costs too much to fill.

...

If half the country hates you anyways...might as well give them something to hate you over amirite?

Who gave Kepler Handy's login info?

 

[psych]

Just to be clear in case there is confusion, it wasn’t an up or down vote on Susan in the last election. Approximately 10% of the state voted for both her and Biden.

No confusion. 10% of Mainers are as ignorant as you are on what it currently takes to save democracy. Why should we, actual everyday Democrats who vote for those who expand civil rights, take any advice from you, someone who regularly defends his vote for someone who represents a party widely considered to be one of the furthest right in the world, on how to save democracy?

 

[Drew S.]

No confusion. 10% of Mainers are as ignorant as you are on what it currently takes to save democracy. Why should we, actual everyday Democrats who vote for those who expand civil rights, take any advice from you, someone who regularly defends his vote for someone who represents a party widely considered to be one of the furthest right in the world, on how to save democracy?

Because if centrists don’t vote Democrat we are completely f’ed. I’m convinced centrists are widely misunderstood both by the posters on this board and the Democratic Party in general.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

Because if centrists don’t vote Democrat we are completely f’ed. I’m convinced centrists are widely misunderstood both by the posters on this board and the Democratic Party in general.

While this may be correct due to the ineptitude of much of the Democratic party it does not change one underlying fact that psych very eloquently points out; if you or anyone else can find a way to vote for any republican in today's political environment you're a fucking traitor.

Make all the excuses you want for why you would vote for Susan Collins or that 10% of Maine voted for her and Biden. It doesn't make that vote any less damaging and it helps the republicans aim lethal blows to our democracy. This nation is literally under attack by republicans.

I don't care if Susan Collins or Mitch McConnel or Liz Cheney or any of the other 9 or 10 republican members of the House, Senate or sitting in a couple of Governor's mansions are otherwise less than 5h!tty politicians, they have all cast their lot with the devil. The 21st century version of the republican party must be wiped off the map.

You don't like the democrat running for any particular office? Leave the ballot blank. Vote for the Green Party candidate, or Libertarian Party Candidate. If you are able to vote for a write-in vote for Fred Grandy. But know that if you vote for anyone who is a member of today's republican party you are voting for fascism, you are voting for bigotry, you are voting to harm the weak and the poor and all sorts of "others" and you are voting for the end of our country as any sort of a functional democracy. You are, in fact, a traitor.

 

[psych]

Because if centrists don’t vote Democrat we are completely f’ed. I’m convinced centrists are widely misunderstood both by the posters on this board and the Democratic Party in general.

Yes. Living in Kentucky and rural Minnesota means I live in a bubble that cannot possibly understand the current iteration of the Republican Party. Centrists in other countries, like Germany, are fine. They have multiple parties, which means that voting for the center-right party doesn't equate voting for the far-right party, like it does here. I am aware that the inverse is true, but the Democratic Party is the centrist party in other countries. We as a party haven't moved that far left in recent decades. The GOP, on the other hand, has moved extremely far right in recent decades. It is widely considered a party that no longer protects, or even embraces, democracy. It's unfortunate that's the state of our politics, but it is what it is.
Centrists, on average, are more people who don't pay close attention to politics, and fewer people who stand to benefit from both parties being in power, like rich, generally white people, since Democrats protect plutocracy on many levels too, although that's changing some as well. You clearly benefit from being in the latter category, as you pay attention to politics. The ones that don't pay attention, and actually vote, they're no longer voting between two parties with democratic underpinnings. Many don't realize that, or they think both parties are to blame, and that's scary. Democrats have plenty of warts, plenty of fucked up decisions made and misguided priorities. But they believe in protecting civil rights, and expanding the right to vote. The GOP doesn't. Susan Collins may protect some, but not all. Sara Gideon would have protected all of the things you claim you hold dear, outside money from people who claim to protect all of the things you claim to hold dear notwithstanding.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

A lot of so called centrists are looking for any excuse to vote R. Drew spouted plenty of the same before the last election and still voted for Susie

 

[psych]

And, since I didn't already write enough, on average, people of color are more centrist than white people. White people get to represent the extremes of both parties, because we feel the negative effects of negative policy decisions that restrict voting, civil rights, etc., much less than people of color do. Obvious statement being obvious, the fact that the vast majority of people of color are centrist, yet vote almost exclusively Democrats into office, should be telling enough.

 

[rufus]

Because if centrists don’t vote Democrat we are completely f’ed. I’m convinced centrists are widely misunderstood both by the posters on this board and the Democratic Party in general.

Yeah, you're a 'Quote' centrist.

 

[LynahFan]

Because if centrists don’t vote Democrat we are completely f’ed. I’m convinced centrists are widely misunderstood both by the posters on this board and the Democratic Party in general.

So, let me see if I have this straight:

1. Centrists who don't vote Democrat are fucking us.
2. You're a centrist.
3. You didn't vote Democrat

Conclusion: *you* are the one fucking up America.

And yet, you are the one coming on here wringing your hands and giving the Democrats your pearls of wisdom on policy choices. Just stop.