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However, there are limitations for international athletes. I'm not sure that it is a hard and fast rule that one can't exceed 25, but each year competing in certain leagues after the age of 20 can cost a year of eligibility, so that often has the same effect. A number of UMD players have hit this over the years, such as Lanzl.
 
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Should be an age limit IMO. A 28 year old college athlete...I'd characterize that as ridiculous.
 
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Who cares if an older person participates in a sport? Lots of military people in this category. It probably means more to them then a teenager.
 
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EastFan1 said:
Who cares if an older person participates in a sport? Lots of military people in this category. It probably means more to them then a teenager.
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I do because they're competing against kids possibly close to ten years younger. I'd also question that participating means less to the 19-23 year old.
 
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EastFan1 said:
Who cares if an older person participates in a sport? Lots of military people in this category. It probably means more to them then a teenager.
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There are definitely exceptions, and I think military service is one. I've looked for the exact rule in the NCAA rules more than once and usually have trouble finding the one that causes athlete's eligibility to end prior to a fourth season due to their age.
 
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ARM said:
There are definitely exceptions, and I think military service is one. I've looked for the exact rule in the NCAA rules more than once and usually have trouble finding the one that causes athlete's eligibility to end prior to a fourth season due to their age.
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I've been doing a little research. I'm pretty confident that there are not any age restrictions. I have read that many international players have trouble with the amateurism rule which is pretty extensive http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Eligibility/Remaining+Eligible/Amateurism. I guess in Europe there are all kinds of amateur leagues that professionals participate in so this is a problem, mostly with men's basketball.
 
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SlewFoot said:
I've been doing a little research. I'm pretty confident that there are not any age restrictions. I have read that many international players have trouble with the amateurism rule which is pretty extensive http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Eligibility/Remaining+Eligible/Amateurism. I guess in Europe there are all kinds of amateur leagues that professionals participate in so this is a problem, mostly with men's basketball.
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That's different though; I'm not talking about loss of amateur status. Players competing in pro leagues are considered violations and the player wouldn't be eligible. What I'm talking about are those players who arrive in the U.S. to start their NCAA careers and it is determined that they only have three or two years of eligibility remaining. Michelle Karvinen at UND would be a recent example.
 
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ARM is correct. UMD has had several players including a key goaltender who were done after three yrs due to the age limitation. They petitioned on at least one of them and were denied. I can't find the rule either. Maybe someone from UMD can shed some lIght. It's an interesting debate on the age discrepancy. I remember Lanzi (at 21) lining up against another freshman (at 17) and seeing a significant difference in strength and on-ice maturity. UND is using that strategy right now with older Europeans and red-shirting their freshman to increase their starting cores average age by 1-2 yrs. They know they will not always be able to attract top talent up to GF so they use this strategy to build more depth and experience. One the Lams are gone this will hopefully keep them competitive.
 
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You lose a year of eligibility each year you compete in organized competition after the age of 21 but before starting college.
 
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In Division I, if an athlete hasn't played in any organized amateur sports after they turn 21, they have five years in which to play out their four years of eligibility (an approved medical redshirt would give them that extra year.) Essentially what they do before they turn 21 is irrelevant as long as they aren't being compensated for playing. The 25-year age limit is artificial, not an official rule.

That's my understanding anyway. I'll take it all back if I'm talking out the wrong hole. :eek:

I'm taxing my memory, but I think Michaela Lanzl played a couple years of club hockey in Germany before coming to UMD, so she used up a bunch of eligibility and could only play DI for a season or two.
 
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Please correct me if I'm wrong but I am under the impression that Harss spent time in the German Military before coming to UMD.
 
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JosephPSchmoe said:
In Division I, if an athlete hasn't played in any organized amateur sports after they turn 21, they have five years in which to play out their four years of eligibility (an approved medical redshirt would give them that extra year.) Essentially what they do before they turn 21 is irrelevant as long as they aren't being compensated for playing. The 25-year age limit is artificial, not an official rule.

That's my understanding anyway. I'll take it all back if I'm talking out the wrong hole. :eek:

I'm taxing my memory, but I think Michaela Lanzl played a couple years of club hockey in Germany before coming to UMD, so she used up a bunch of eligibility and could only play DI for a season or two.
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I think you are heading down the right path. I'm not entirely sure on all of the details but I did copy this from the NCAA.org site regarding eligibility: The following athletics activities may be reviewed in determining a college-bound student-athlete’s amateurism status:

What kind of activities does the NCAA Eligibility Center review?
Contracts with a professional team.
Salary for participating in athletics.
Prize money.
Play with professionals.
Tryouts, practice or competition with a professional team.
Benefits from an agent or prospective agent.
Agreement to be represented by an agent.
Delayed initial full-time collegiate enrollment to participate in organized sports competition.

I've read that the problem with International players especially is the "play with professionals" (especially with the men) and the "Delayed initial full-time collegiate enrollment to participate in organized sports competition" requirements. I think the enforcement of these rules might prevent a full 4 years of college eligibility. Joe might be right that they don't count anything before age 21 but I couldn't find anything about that particular fact. It might be an administrative rule but I'm not sure but again I don't think there is any hard and fast age 25 rule.
 
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The 2012-2013 most challenging NC schedule in the WCHA? I'd have to go with UMD I think.
 
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