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WCHA Thread III

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I guess you didn't read the very first sentence of my post, did you. We get it, you are a proponent of vigilante justice. Make sure you kiss your Don Cherry bobblehead before you go to bed.

Ha.. I got a good chuckle out of that one. So you are saying that what Coach Miller did was OK and Accceptable? Ya maybe by the rule book but NOT by a majority of coaches and players!! Everyone suffers consequences for their actions. It is unfortunate in this incident i believe both coaches were severly in the wrong!
 
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I wouldn't be among the "we" that "get it" when it comes to concluding an advocacy for vigilantism out of Shootin Muffins comments, just to go on record.
 
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Ha.. I got a good chuckle out of that one. So you are saying that what Coach Miller did was OK and Accceptable? Ya maybe by the rule book but NOT by a majority of coaches and players!! Everyone suffers consequences for their actions. It is unfortunate in this incident i believe both coaches were severly in the wrong!

No, I never said that. I have only commented on what Means did. I do not believe that it is ok to justify Means's actions being the result of provocation. When faced with his perceived interpretation of Miller's actions, he had a choice. He deliberately ordered his players to bring physical harm to his opponents. My judgement is to those actions and those actions alone. Why he did that is for him to determine, not you nor I, in my opinion.
 
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I do not believe that it is ok to justify Means's actions being the result of provocation.
I agree with that. IMO, it is like one of those "running up the score" arguments. If a coach feels his team is being disrespected in any manner, the best response is to say nothing and exact any revenge on the scoreboard.
 
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Or maybe the time out would never have been taken. If one doesn't respect a former assistant enough not to make his team wait through a meaningless last-minute timeout, then I'm not sure who would be worthy of that respect. Because as wrong as Means was -- and I totally agree that he was dead wrong -- there is nothing said during such a timeout that couldn't have waited to be said in the locker room a minute later.

Meaningless to whom? It sure doesn't appear to have been meaningless to Miller, otherwise she wouldn't have called it.

As I asked (suggested) at the time in the UMD thread back in February, the time out may have been related to strategy for the remaining 40 seconds (as I recall) of the game in an attempt to allow Irwin to get her 200th career point. If so, and if Flygh had been on the other bench, I would imagine that Miller would have done the exact same thing since the moment was about Irwin, and Irwin alone, not about Flygh or Miller...not about respect, or lack thereof, for anyone.

And assuming that that was the reason for the time out then, no, it couldn't have waited until they got into the locker room a minute later.

Possibly Flygh may have had an advantage over Means in that situation since having worked with Miller he may have had an inkling as to what her motive may have been...possibly not. But as I said, I don't think he would have responded as Means did.

And I agree, that the mature reponse even if you feel slighted is to get even on the scoreboard. And if you can't accomplish that at that time or in a future game then acceptance of the fact that you can't win them all, on the scoreboard and otherwise, is the next mature default response.
 
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That may be a valid reason in your mind. It wouldn't be in the minds of most people that follow the game. The team had a home game the next night, and another pair the following weekend for the WCHA tournament, so Irwin had a number of minutes in which to accomplish the feat. IMO, the T.O. could have waited, just as the point did in actuality.

I guess we will agree to disagree on that question.
 
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Hey JSchmoe: Ron Artest is a World Champion, so Harden deserved that elbow, right?

Means is a goon, Miller has been a goon.
 
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Does not look like any of the Freshman are listed. Arbogast is a sophmore this year.
You're right...appears to be a mix up with some other 2011-2012 frosh now listed as sophs...and apparently none of the incoming freshmen.
 
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SCSU Huskies 2012-2013 schedule has also been posted.

Wondering if anyone has any thoughts...or cares to take a stab at WCHA standings prognostications?
 
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I'll go.

1. Minny
2. UND
3. UMD
4. WISC
5. OSU
6. MSU
7. BSU
8. SCSU

Sorry Wisc I'd much rather see you switched with UND. Just don't see it. Lost too much.

Heart picks

1. MINNY
2. OSU
3. WISC
4. BSU
5. SCSU
6. MSU
7. UMD
8. UND
 
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I'll go.

1. Minny
2. UND
3. UMD
4. WISC
5. OSU
6. MSU
7. BSU
8. SCSU

Sorry Wisc I'd much rather see you switched with UND. Just don't see it. Lost too much.

Heart picks

1. MINNY
2. OSU
3. WISC
4. BSU
5. SCSU
6. MSU
7. UMD
8. UND
I could get behind those heart picks alright.
 
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1) Minnesota
2) North Dakota
3) Minnesota Duluth
4) Wisconsin
5) Bemidji State
6) Ohio State
7) St. Cloud State
8) Minnesota State-Mankato

North Dakota needs to improve results vs. UMD and UW for this to prove accurate. Haven't seen the updated UND roster yet but I believe they've added depth again. Wonder if they've fortified at D to possibly have Mo up front primarily.
Between the Bulldogs and Badgers...pretty tough call IMO. McParland evolves to a considerable force, an experienced bunch with Cournoyer, Wong, Wilson, Winberg & Thibault. Never count the Badgers out of contention...a 4th place prediction could prove ridiculous.
The Beavers then Buckeyes sequence...honestly don't know. Tomcikova gone...large losses for Ohio State...
Have to address Minnesota. Also huge losses to graduation...but Noora is still in net, and with some solid returning D to help. One of whom I think is an excellent candidate for wearing a C and who will in fact fill a leadership role also lost to graduation. Soph forwards have to step up their game and the freshmen will need to chip in with some consistency. If those things don't happen I suspect finishing atop the conference will be difficult.
 
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1) Minnesota
2) North Dakota
3) Wisconsin
4) Minnesota Duluth
5) Bemidji State
6) Ohio State
7) Minnesota State-Mankato
8) St. Cloud State
 
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