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Utica College Pioneers 2012-13 Season

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sshablak said:
Talking to an avid fan who was at the games...he said the two coaches were fighting and received DQ's for Saturday night's game ? Is this true ?
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Apparently, both were thrown from Friday's game, no DQ so they were BOTH eligible to coach on Saturday. My source said the (Utica) College, benched their coach
 
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jconnor said:
Apparently, both were thrown from Friday's game, no DQ so they were BOTH eligible to coach on Saturday. My source said the (Utica) College, benched their coach
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You are correct.

However, given the incident that occurred friday, and the fact that Utica did suspend Heenan, i think it would have been prudent for Elmira to step in and do the same.
 
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vcxc3200 said:
You are correct.

However, given the incident that occurred friday, and the fact that Utica did suspend Heenan, i think it would have been prudent for Elmira to step in and do the same.
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Although I agree with you to some extent, there is the issue that there were not the EC "Administrators" present to witness the actions as were the Utica "Administration", that being said, I doubt anyone in Elmira knew the exact extent of what actually happened and what the circumstances were to bench a coach. I'm sure if it had happened in Elmira, things (may) have been different, I really don't know. Best thing is that this weekend is over, BOTH teams showed moments of total lack of discipline and BOTH teams need to worry about the remaining schedule. Looking forward to the rematch.

BTW, Sorry I didn't get to meet you, my "Host" was running a little late, "It's all his fault" ;)
 
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vcxc3200 said:
You are correct.

However, given the incident that occurred friday, and the fact that Utica did suspend Heenan, i think it would have been prudent for Elmira to step in and do the same.
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My guess is, someone in the administration at utica was in attendance and thus expedited the process of suspending Heenen. Elmira will likely go through the process with a normal procedure (whatever appropriate procedure is prescribed in Elmira's faculty conduct policies), and will probably come to the same conclusion as Utica.
 
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Fishman'81 said:
I am scrupulous in avoiding using the pronoun "we" when referring to any team I follow, for the simple reason that I have absolutely nothing to do with the success or failure of them... Similarly, it's tiresome for me to hear others do it. It harkens back to my childhood, when we little boys would boast about whose father could beat up the other.
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I am glad someone else out there agrees with me on this issue. This, wearing Jersey's with your own name on it, Jersey's of teams that are not playing in the game and high-fives after your team scores are just a few things that drive me nuts at hockey games.
 
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bakdraft21 said:
I see that Uc is playing Amherst at home again this yr,dont teams usually do a home game then next yr visit the other team?? ps UC beat amherst last yr and didnt do much in the NCAAs:eek:.............but I think they will do better this yr:rolleyes:
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Yes, Capt. Obvious -and others on here who have achieved more than his GED, yet love to harp on the subject- Utica schedules a lot of home games!

Do you guys think some sort of sinister coercion is involved? Is that your dubious point..?

Allow me to explain what should be self-evident...

Teams travel to Utica because people show up for games there. Those people pay money to do so. Some of that money is allocated to the visiting team, which is its incentive to get on a bus and play a game there... That's how this type of situation works, fellas. (Welcome to America.)

Having traveled to many a Podunk D-3 venue in the past, and sitting among a tiny handful of friends and family, I'm pretty sure that the games in Utica are the only ones all season long that generate any revenue whatsoever for the vast majority of the schools that visit. (Oswego is the one team that makes that trip when there's something to lose; and give them credit for that... Neither Plattsburgh nor Norwich have reciprocated Utica's trips to their barns, for instance.)

To be preemptive, don't even suggest that all those home-games have given Utica a huge advantage in garnering all their non-existent post-season bids... You have already contradicted yourself on that one, Einstein.

Give it a nice long rest, please. Nobody is getting screwed here; in fact, everyone participating at this point derives some benefit from the status-quo.
 
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Fishman'81 said:
Yes, Capt. Obvious -and others on here who have achieved more than his GED, yet love to harp on the subject- Utica schedules a lot of home games!

Do you guys think some sort of sinister coercion is involved? Is that your dubious point..?

Allow me to explain what should be self-evident...

Teams travel to Utica because people show up for games there. Those people pay money to do so. Some of that money is allocated to the visiting team, which is its incentive to get on a bus and play a game there... That's how this type of situation works, fellas. (Welcome to America.)

Having traveled to many a Podunk D-3 venue in the past, and sitting among a tiny handful of friends and family, I'm pretty sure that the games in Utica are the only ones all season long that generate any revenue whatsoever for the vast majority of the schools that visit. (Oswego is the one team that makes that trip when there's something to lose; and give them credit for that... Neither Plattsburgh nor Norwich have reciprocated Utica's trips to their barns, for instance.)

To be preemptive, don't even suggest that all those home-games have given Utica a huge advantage in garnering all their non-existent post-season bids... You have already contradicted yourself on that one, Einstein.

Give it a nice long rest, please. Nobody is getting screwed here; in fact, everyone participating at this point derives some benefit from the status-quo.
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Do you REALLY think Amherst needs the $$$$$$$$$.....as they say on sports center COME ON MAN:o... ged THATS FUNNY
 
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Since 2008-2009, Utica has played 78% of their NC games at home. Utice is just 4-4-2 away from the Aud (regular season 4-7-3 overall) yet 27-6-3 at home. That doesn't help add some W's to their record genius? Yet a big game (playoffs) come up and Utica goes on the road and can't get it done, go figure.

Secondly, since you and your wonderful coach wanted to bring it up that Plattsburgh doesn't travel........since oh about 15 years ago now Plattsburgh AND Norwich have a hard time adding a 26th game to their schedule for some reason to fit in playing at Utica. Anyone on here with more then a GED would notice that Plattsburgh AND Norwich do not have the extra games to even play in Utica or have a NC game WITH Utica other then the Cardinal Classic. They have a worki g travel relations with Middlebury, Norwich, Williams, Castleton, and Skidmore + PRIMELINK + Cardinal Classic + 16 Conf games = 25 wow what do you know.

Take out the Primelink and Cardinal Classic and Plattsburgh since 2004 has played 26 NC Home games and 26 NC Away games. Seems pretty even to me.

This isn't DI football or basketball where teams (schools) get paid big money to go play somewhere or host a team. So stop kidding yourself. Sure teams like Westfield State, Suffolk, Western NE, J&W, Salve Regina, St.Mikes and powerhouse Franklin Pierce all love playing at the Aud....who else is going to play them? JUCO schools??

My point..you will not get top teams to A. Play in Utica without return trips (a-la Oswego) so you get cream puffs who will.

B. Yes Amherst and Williams have visited but even they will get sick of it. Mind you this is the same Willians team who ASKED Plattsburgh to play IN Plattsburgh because they loved the atmosphere (if you've ever been to Williams you'd know why) yet Bob still returned the favor so his team got the experience of playing more good teams on the road.

C. Until Utica starts adding MORE against away games against top teams they will struggle come crunch time.

So keep playing 70%+ NC games at home vs the Suffolks of the world and a sprinkle of away games against the Western NE's and keep watching the NCAAs from the comforts of your couch.
 
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I'll just add that Utica has only been to Norwich as a tournament invitee, so return trips are not generally the case. Games with our traditional rivals Middlebury and Plattsburgh will be included as long as feasible. Norwich also gives up a regular season game to play in an extra exhibition game.
 
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PSU....Hmmm, Coulda swore Oswego was home and home with Utica this year:p. BTW...Your league is very weak except for a couple of teams...not like the ECAC West. You have two good teams and the rest are creampuffs, play in a stronger league and then make some of your points credible.

BTW...As a player who wouldn't want to play in front of 3500+ fans ?
 
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sshablak said:
PSU....Hmmm, Coulda swore Oswego was home and home with Utica this year:p. BTW...Your league is very weak except for a couple of teams...not like the ECAC West. You have two good teams and the rest are creampuffs, play in a stronger league and then make some of your points credible.

BTW...As a player who wouldn't want to play in front of 3500+ fans ?
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It may be a good regular season league but recent NCAA performance is below par.
 
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sshablak said:
PSU... BTW...Your league is very weak except for a couple of teams...not like the ECAC West. You have two good teams and the rest are creampuffs, play in a stronger league and then make some of your points credible.

BTW...As a player who wouldn't want to play in front of 3500+ fans ?
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The ECAC-W is a very tough league, no-one denies that, however, stop making it sound like it is THE toughest.

3500 fans? Quote from this past Saturday's game at Utica:
Utica "fan" on cell phone , " What does embellishment mean"?:rolleyes:
This past weekend also proved the attendance numbers are not always correct.
 
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sshablak said:
PSU....Hmmm, Coulda swore Oswego was home and home with Utica this year:p. BTW...Your league is very weak except for a couple of teams...not like the ECAC West. You have two good teams and the rest are creampuffs, play in a stronger league and then make some of your points credible.

BTW...As a player who wouldn't want to play in front of 3500+ fans ?
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A. I was saying Oswego was Utica's only home and home NC team worth mentioning.

B. I will take Freddy, Genny, Potsdam, and Buff State (and maybe even Cortland) over Franklin Pierce, Suffolk, Western New England, Salve Regina any day of the week.....apples and oranges. Both groups are not that good, but one group is much worse....

C. I will also take Oswego x2, Middlebury x2, Norwich x2, Williams, Castleton, Amherst, and an NCHA/MIAC team over Hobart, Neumann, and Manhatanville as well.... lets just see combined Plattsburgh and its opponents combine for 15 National Titles to the ECAC Wests 1.....The SUNYAC also has had 3 teams make the D3 Championship game 11 times combined, the ECAC W has 2 members who have done it twice, combined.

D. Any player would love to play in front of 1500 LOUD fans then 3500 people who are their to drink beer and talk about the dinner party from the night before. I've never been overly impressed by the AUD....and if it was so impressive you would think it would draw in more players that would allow them to at least make the NCAA's or heck get out of the first round of their own conference.

...and most players would probably give up playing infront of 3500 fans to actually play, let alone win, a meaningful game in March......
 
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A. Don't you trolls have a thread of your own to enrich with your brilliant insights?

I would never drop-in on a Plattsburgh or Norwich thread, for instance. ( Maybe that has something to do with having a "life"..?) I won't speculate about that point, but you chest-beaters from away are so very, very tiresome... Go preach to the choir, FCS.

B. Admittedly there hasn't been a W team that has been as consistently successful as Norwich, Platty or Oswego in the past 12 years. Yet, all those teams play many more cupcakes per season than do any of the W teams. That undeniable fact renders the above comparisons suspect, if not out-rightly specious. It's true that the W hasn't had a lot of success in the NCAAs, but it rarely gets to play at home then... If memory serves, the W is 2-1 when they have done so.

The W has not received the comfy siting that NU and PSU, eg. have enjoyed, and all those RS cupcakes they gobble are certainly somewhat responsible for the latter teams having the luxury of home ice. ( And we all know what a huge factor home ice is! )

C. ( See A. )
 
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Fishman'81 said:
Those pairings aren't bad, as long as Adams stays handy to his own zone on the attack and doesn't attempt to clear the puck out through his own crease from behind his net, as he has done so often in the past.

Morton could be moved back to D quite easily, but he tends to have the same flaws in judgment as does Adams.

The game plan(s) IMO would be to have the forwards go balls-out to the net, and to have the D play conservatively at all times... UC's 'tending should complete the equation, but the scores will be tight in any case.
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Schmidt now has a hernia and will be out for a while.
Plus Slowakowski, Zapia. Heard Santiago was practicing on D w/ Marshall
 
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Wow, really? Bad news.

I wondered where Santiago has been. It seems odd to me to play him at D; he can maneuver in traffic and has a great set of hands. I'd probably leave him up front and move Morton back. The latter is not a great defenseman, but he did come here as one from Merrimack, and he knows the drill.

I'm a little back-and-forth on Zappia, but Slowy going down is a real loss. He's turned into the most reliable blueliner UC has, IMO.

These injuries are troubling because D has always been Utica's weak suit. I hope the guys that man the line in the coming weeks are more conservative as to when they pinch in... Bad decisions in that regard (and slow rotations from the other point to cover the void) gave EC a few red-carpet opportunities last week, and they cashed them in. It's frustrating to see UC outplay another team, but cough up enough odd-mans to lose. This group of forwards can generate sufficient scoring opportunities without a lot of attack-zone help from the D, if you ask me.
 
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Going to the game Saturday...Can't find tickets on the UC website ? How do you get them ahead of time to bypass standing in line ? Ticketmaster and pickup at will call ?????
 
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