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Utica College Pioneers 2012-13 Season

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Their win% and SOS and record against top teams. Also Babson in over Hobart. Hobart's 5-5-2 against ranked teams kills them.
 
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sshablak said:
Check out bracketology on other site....says UC is a lock. Would play Wentworth in the Aud. Semi's against Ozz in Placid !
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nope...Oswego would play Utica in the Aud in the quarterfinal - winner advances to LP....according to the bracketology of the other site...
 
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NYSPHSAA ANNOUNCES TIME CHANGES TO ICE HOCKEY STATE TOURNAMENT GAMES



LATHAM – The New York State Public High School Athletic Association has announced a schedule change for the 2013 NYSPHSAA Ice Hockey State Tournament at Utica Memorial Auditorium (Section III) on March 9-10.



Due to the potential of Utica College’s hockey team playing a home game Saturday night, March 9th at the Aud, the Association has adjusted all of its state semifinal games.



Below is the revised schedule for the tournament:



Saturday, March 9, 2013

Division 2 SEMIFINALS – 9:30 am (previously 10 am)

Division 2 SEMIFINALS – 12 noon (previously 12:30 pm)

Division 1 SEMIFINALS – 2:30 pm (previously 3:15 pm)

Division 1 SEMIFINALS – 5 pm (previously 5:45 pm)



Sunday, March 10, 2013

Division 2 FINALS – 12:30 pm

Division 1 FINALS – 3:45 pm
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Not much of a change here. What are the NCAA requirements for practice time? Appropriate time before the game? And finally, the Aud has 10 locker rooms?:eek:

(BTW, don't misunderstand my questions - I'm genuinly curious. Utica deserves to host this game if it can be worked out - they've earned it this year).
 
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They have UC #2 and Ozz#3 hosting playin games Wed night. #4 St John no playin game and a Saturday game ?????:confused:
 
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sshablak said:
Babson is 5-2-3 vs ranked teams Hobart 5-5-2 .
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For what it is worth, Hobart is 5-5-1 vs ranked oponents. An Oswego win this weekend still leaves them behind Hobart in this criteria and a Babson loss Friday night still leaves them ahead of Hobart.
 
sshablak said:
They have UC #2 and Ozz#3 hosting playin games Wed night. #4 St John no playin game and a Saturday game ?????:confused:
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The bracket is always set to avoid trips of more than 500 miles before the Frozen Four. NCAA rules require trips > 500 be taken by air, and they also require the avoidance of such flights even if "bracket integrity" is comprised
 
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How's about I give you an example, Madame Curie..?

Nazereth is eligible for the W tournament, having won (I think) a single conference game. If there was a Pool B bid up for grabs this year, then Naz could play for an NC by dint of winning three more games in a tacked-on tournament... That even being a long-shot possibility is a ridiculous situation. (Think: "sample size".)

To turn your feeble argument around: why even play the RS? Just go directly to a one-and-done conference tournament, right?
 
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Fishman'81 said:
Nazereth is eligible for the W tournament, having won (I think) a single conference game. If there was a Pool B bid up for grabs this year, then Naz could play for an NC by dint of winning three more games in a tacked-on tournament... That even being a long-shot possibility is a ridiculous situation. (Think: "sample size".)
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Actually, that is not quite accurate. Pool B did not go to a league tournament champion.

When a Pool B bid was awarded, it used the same criteria that is used for the current Pool C bids. The NCAA committees evaluated every team eligible for a Pool B bid against the criteria, filled the room with smoke (ie. weighted the criteria as they saw fit), and awarded a Pool B bid to their selection.

Any Pool B eligible teams that were not awarded a Pool B bid were then added to the Pool C group and the evaluations continued again. So basically Pool B provided those eligible schools a second path into the NCAA tournament similar (but not the same) as every other AQ league gets.

There were two examples in the history of Pool B where the ECAC West tournament champion was not awarded either a Pool B or Pool C bid.
 
Scott Biggar said:
Actually, that is not quite accurate. Pool B did not go to a league tournament champion.

When a Pool B bid was awarded, it used the same criteria that is used for the current Pool C bids. The NCAA committees evaluated every team eligible for a Pool B bid against the criteria, filled the room with smoke (ie. weighted the criteria as they saw fit), and awarded a Pool B bid to their selection.

Any Pool B eligible teams that were not awarded a Pool B bid were then added to the Pool C group and the evaluations continued again. So basically Pool B provided those eligible schools a second path into the NCAA tournament similar (but not the same) as every other AQ league gets.

There were two examples in the history of Pool B where the ECAC West tournament champion was not awarded either a Pool B or Pool C bid.
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And to add to that, we can't actually say for sure whether, for example, in 2009 it was Neumann (the tourny champion) or Elmira (the runner-up, but with a much stronger résumé that year) who received Pool B. One got a B and one got a C, that's all we can say.
 
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jconnor said:
So, how would you try to sell this to the NHL?:rolleyes:
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It's pretty-much what the NHL does already, but they at least have enough capacity for shame as to make a 7-game series of every round. ;)
 
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norm1909 said:
The regular season champion is the best team during the entire season, the conference champion is the team that developed in to the best team and found a way to win the games they needed to, the national champion is team that developed int the best of the best.
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Give me a break. We're talking hockey, FCS... Anything can happen in a single game or two.

Do you have any grasp whatsoever on the concept of "sample size"? (Thought not.)

My suggestion: if you have a friend who's literate, ask that person to explain that to you, and maybe you'll learn something about how statistical rankings operate.

(Not holding my breath on that one, though.)
 
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Scott Biggar said:
Actually, that is not quite accurate. Pool B did not go to a league tournament champion.

When a Pool B bid was awarded, it used the same criteria that is used for the current Pool C bids. The NCAA committees evaluated every team eligible for a Pool B bid against the criteria, filled the room with smoke (ie. weighted the criteria as they saw fit), and awarded a Pool B bid to their selection.

Any Pool B eligible teams that were not awarded a Pool B bid were then added to the Pool C group and the evaluations continued again. So basically Pool B provided those eligible schools a second path into the NCAA tournament similar (but not the same) as every other AQ league gets.

There were two examples in the history of Pool B where the ECAC West tournament champion was not awarded either a Pool B or Pool C bid.
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Good read, and thank you.

Makes me wonder even more why all the NCAA "pool" mumbo-jumbo exists... Perhaps just to obscure their machinations behind the scenes?

The process should be a no-brainer: just gift the various AQs per the mandate, use an objective measure to select the ALs, and then use that same measure to site the games.

(I don't understand why all the dumb State schools in D-1 have figured this thing out so much sooner than have the Ivory-Towers colleges... Where's all their annual millions in tuition going, anyway?)
 
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Norm I saw this the other day and thought of you. ...

And Fish....I look forward to reading your posts every morning to see just what you will come out with next. You make a lot of us start out the day with a good laugh from your rambles. Keep up the good work. You'll get it some day.
 
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