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Utica College Pioneers '13-'14 = Lewiston or Bust
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Re: Utica College Pioneers '13-'14 = Lewiston or Bust
But less than St. Lawrence, Potsdam St. and Canton.
We have just as many national titles as Utica.
But less than St. Lawrence, Potsdam St. and Canton.
Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
Re: Utica College Pioneers '13-'14 = Lewiston or Bust
No way I'm taking that bet, Cabin Boy, I'm the voice of reason on here..!
(And, to be clear, I never opined that Platty won't get a bid, I just pointed out that there are a bunch of Western teams with better statistical credentials. If there were no AQ's awarded, and the committee adopted the KRACH, the NCAA field would be composed of exactly zero Eastern teams at this point.)
No way I'm taking that bet, Cabin Boy, I'm the voice of reason on here..!
(And, to be clear, I never opined that Platty won't get a bid, I just pointed out that there are a bunch of Western teams with better statistical credentials. If there were no AQ's awarded, and the committee adopted the KRACH, the NCAA field would be composed of exactly zero Eastern teams at this point.)
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Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
Re: Utica College Pioneers '13-'14 = Lewiston or Bust
Don't pick nits re: details that don't matter. I ignored results of games that had no impact on the selection process, FCS.
Superior isn't relevant this year (no matter their storied history, Cabin Boy ) and neither is Stout...
If the latter was the case, then Utica defeating them in Oswego this season would've the best comparative datum in the Stevens Point v. Utica comparison. (...There's your Pool-B COP, Ozz.)
Just for the record, I don't believe that UC deserves a bid no matter what they do from here on out, and I don't even want them to get one... They clearly haven't earned it, and I've never said that they have.
What is it with you? Why is it when you're wrong about something, you not only DON'T admit that you were wrong, but you argue with everyone about why you were right? You said that Adrian was the ONLY west team to play in the east. YOU. WERE. WRONG. But instead of saying "Oh yeah, you're right. I was wrong"...you give all of these excuses about how Adrian is the only RELEVANT west team to play in the east and that none of the others matter.
Why is it that you come here to tell everyone the sky is green. And when everyone corrects you to say that the sky is BLUE, you argue nonstop that the sky is green?
You were wrong. Get over it and move on.
Don't pick nits re: details that don't matter. I ignored results of games that had no impact on the selection process, FCS.
Superior isn't relevant this year (no matter their storied history, Cabin Boy ) and neither is Stout...
If the latter was the case, then Utica defeating them in Oswego this season would've the best comparative datum in the Stevens Point v. Utica comparison. (...There's your Pool-B COP, Ozz.)
Just for the record, I don't believe that UC deserves a bid no matter what they do from here on out, and I don't even want them to get one... They clearly haven't earned it, and I've never said that they have.
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Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
Re: Utica College Pioneers '13-'14 = Lewiston or Bust
IDK, either... A bunch of factors were involved.
This team looked loaded in the pre-season, but tended to turn it on and off. There were guys out/playing hurt all year, yes, but it was more than just that.
The coaching also appeared to be an issue to me from time to time. Take last night's game: UC wore M'ville down, and was swarming the net for most of the 2nd, and all of the 3rd.
Utica finally got a bounce with about 5 to go, and looked as though they had MC on wobbly legs. Then Heenan pulled Nicky too early in a one-goal game, and before his team had even won their O-zone faceoff... (Throw-in the curious Utica TO during that same span of time, when M'ville was clearly gassed; I left The Aud scratching my head.)
IDK, either... A bunch of factors were involved.
This team looked loaded in the pre-season, but tended to turn it on and off. There were guys out/playing hurt all year, yes, but it was more than just that.
The coaching also appeared to be an issue to me from time to time. Take last night's game: UC wore M'ville down, and was swarming the net for most of the 2nd, and all of the 3rd.
Utica finally got a bounce with about 5 to go, and looked as though they had MC on wobbly legs. Then Heenan pulled Nicky too early in a one-goal game, and before his team had even won their O-zone faceoff... (Throw-in the curious Utica TO during that same span of time, when M'ville was clearly gassed; I left The Aud scratching my head.)
PSUChamps2001
Member of the REAL Zoo Crew
Exactly why you're an idiot. The Plattsburgh WIN over UWS gives Plattsburgh an all important point over just about every team out West except Adrian and SNC. Its called common opponent. So once again you're an idiot.
See above. Once again you have no clue how or what makes up the selection process after people have told you.
You're so close fishyboy. Utica by vertue of their win over Stout has a 1.000 common opponent record over MOST top Western region teams including UWSP, and therefore are awarded the point in the selection criteria. Hmm amazing just as Plattsburgh does, but when your so think headed to not learn the way it works....
Good job. You're starting to color between the lines...
Re: Utica College Pioneers '13-'14 = Lewiston or Bust
Did I miss the Tourney? UC finished the regular season in first place, there is no trophy for that, only a banner that UC has made. You do get home ice advantage during the playoffs, nothing more. Win the Tourney, then you you can, and rightfully so, say that "UC wins the West"
Did I miss the Tourney? UC finished the regular season in first place, there is no trophy for that, only a banner that UC has made. You do get home ice advantage during the playoffs, nothing more. Win the Tourney, then you you can, and rightfully so, say that "UC wins the West"
bakdraft21
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Re: Utica College Pioneers '13-'14 = Lewiston or Bust
What happened to Educate this yr, he had 18 goals last yr and only 6 this yr?? No PP time?? or perhaps the other teams were watching him??
What happened to Educate this yr, he had 18 goals last yr and only 6 this yr?? No PP time?? or perhaps the other teams were watching him??
Re: Utica College Pioneers '13-'14 = Lewiston or Bust
UC wins the West !!! Educate has a girlfriend so his testosterone is too low now.
UC wins the West !!! Educate has a girlfriend so his testosterone is too low now.
PSUChamps2001
Member of the REAL Zoo Crew
Re: Utica College Pioneers '13-'14 = Lewiston or Bust
Adrian vs Plattsburgh
WIN 0.8864 1 0.7917 0
SOS 0.4724 0 0.4994 1
H2H 0- 0- 0 0 0- 0- 0 0
COP 1- 0- 0 0 2- 0- 0 1
RNK 1- 1- 0 0 2- 2- 0 0
===============
PTS 1 2
Gustavus Adolphus vs Plattsburgh
WIN 0.7174 0 0.7917 1
SOS 0.4934 0 0.4994 1
H2H 0- 0- 0 0 0- 0- 0 0
COP 0- 0- 0 0 0- 0- 0 0
RNK 0- 4- 0 0 2- 2- 0 0
===============
PTS 0 2
Plattsburgh vs St. Norbert
WIN 0.7917 0 0.8704 1
SOS 0.4994 0 0.5016 1
H2H 0- 0- 0 0 0- 0- 0 0
COP 0- 0- 0 0 0- 0- 0 0
RNK 2- 2- 0 0 4- 1- 1 1
===============
PTS 0 3
Plattsburgh vs Wisconsin-Eau Claire
WIN 0.7917 1 0.6739 0
SOS 0.4994 0 0.5196 1
H2H 0- 0- 0 0 0- 0- 0 0
COP 1- 0- 0 1 2- 0- 1 0
RNK 2- 2- 0 1 1- 5- 0 0
===============
PTS 3 1
Plattsburgh vs Wisconsin-River Falls
WIN 0.7917 1 0.6750 0
SOS 0.4994 0 0.5498 1
H2H 0- 0- 0 0 0- 0- 0 0
COP 1- 0- 0 1 2- 1- 0 0
RNK 2- 2- 0 1 3- 4- 1 0
===============
PTS 3 1
Plattsburgh vs Wisconsin-Stevens Point
WIN 0.7917 1 0.7727 0
SOS 0.4994 1 0.4975 0
H2H 0- 0- 0 0 0- 0- 0 0
COP 1- 0- 0 1 2- 0- 1 0
RNK 2- 2- 0 0 4- 0- 1 1
===============
PTS 3 1
Plattsburgh vs St. Thomas
WIN 0.7917 0 0.8095 1
SOS 0.4994 0 0.5114 1
H2H 0- 0- 0 0 0- 0- 0 0
COP 0- 0- 0 0 0- 0- 0 0
RNK 2- 2- 0 0 3- 2- 0 1
==============
PTS 0 3
Seeing how THIS is what the NCAA committee is suppose to go by Fishy, you were wrong yet again.....Plattsburgh won all match ups except St.Thomas, SNC and Adrian....
Adrian vs Plattsburgh
WIN 0.8864 1 0.7917 0
SOS 0.4724 0 0.4994 1
H2H 0- 0- 0 0 0- 0- 0 0
COP 1- 0- 0 0 2- 0- 0 1
RNK 1- 1- 0 0 2- 2- 0 0
===============
PTS 1 2
Gustavus Adolphus vs Plattsburgh
WIN 0.7174 0 0.7917 1
SOS 0.4934 0 0.4994 1
H2H 0- 0- 0 0 0- 0- 0 0
COP 0- 0- 0 0 0- 0- 0 0
RNK 0- 4- 0 0 2- 2- 0 0
===============
PTS 0 2
Plattsburgh vs St. Norbert
WIN 0.7917 0 0.8704 1
SOS 0.4994 0 0.5016 1
H2H 0- 0- 0 0 0- 0- 0 0
COP 0- 0- 0 0 0- 0- 0 0
RNK 2- 2- 0 0 4- 1- 1 1
===============
PTS 0 3
Plattsburgh vs Wisconsin-Eau Claire
WIN 0.7917 1 0.6739 0
SOS 0.4994 0 0.5196 1
H2H 0- 0- 0 0 0- 0- 0 0
COP 1- 0- 0 1 2- 0- 1 0
RNK 2- 2- 0 1 1- 5- 0 0
===============
PTS 3 1
Plattsburgh vs Wisconsin-River Falls
WIN 0.7917 1 0.6750 0
SOS 0.4994 0 0.5498 1
H2H 0- 0- 0 0 0- 0- 0 0
COP 1- 0- 0 1 2- 1- 0 0
RNK 2- 2- 0 1 3- 4- 1 0
===============
PTS 3 1
Plattsburgh vs Wisconsin-Stevens Point
WIN 0.7917 1 0.7727 0
SOS 0.4994 1 0.4975 0
H2H 0- 0- 0 0 0- 0- 0 0
COP 1- 0- 0 1 2- 0- 1 0
RNK 2- 2- 0 0 4- 0- 1 1
===============
PTS 3 1
Plattsburgh vs St. Thomas
WIN 0.7917 0 0.8095 1
SOS 0.4994 0 0.5114 1
H2H 0- 0- 0 0 0- 0- 0 0
COP 0- 0- 0 0 0- 0- 0 0
RNK 2- 2- 0 0 3- 2- 0 1
==============
PTS 0 3
Seeing how THIS is what the NCAA committee is suppose to go by Fishy, you were wrong yet again.....Plattsburgh won all match ups except St.Thomas, SNC and Adrian....
PSUChamps2001
Member of the REAL Zoo Crew
correct but when its already 3 to 1 even if the other takes the point Plattsburgh still wins 3-2
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Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
Re: Utica College Pioneers '13-'14 = Lewiston or Bust
OK, so you knocked-off yet another 18-pack while you posted this, and the all-important Stout comparison was never even addressed?
Fact of the matter is, Stout isn't a factor in any meaningful way if you employ a statistically reasonable metric, and the meager PW-style data you trot-out is a steaming load. ( Notice all the zeros in the comparisons you posted, if you can even recognize that all those zeros add-up to nothing... The KRACH has it all over the PW in D-3, no question about that. )
And, are you saying that you'd be fine with St. Thomas, SNC and/or Adrian taking a Pool C bid over Platty, if the RS were to end right now? I have my doubts.
You are spectacularly obtuse, semi-literate and hopelessly biased. (No offense intended, of course). Perhaps you should go diddle yourself on the Platty thread, instead of here?
Thank you!
OK, so you knocked-off yet another 18-pack while you posted this, and the all-important Stout comparison was never even addressed?
Fact of the matter is, Stout isn't a factor in any meaningful way if you employ a statistically reasonable metric, and the meager PW-style data you trot-out is a steaming load. ( Notice all the zeros in the comparisons you posted, if you can even recognize that all those zeros add-up to nothing... The KRACH has it all over the PW in D-3, no question about that. )
And, are you saying that you'd be fine with St. Thomas, SNC and/or Adrian taking a Pool C bid over Platty, if the RS were to end right now? I have my doubts.
You are spectacularly obtuse, semi-literate and hopelessly biased. (No offense intended, of course). Perhaps you should go diddle yourself on the Platty thread, instead of here?
Thank you!
Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
Re: Utica College Pioneers '13-'14 = Lewiston or Bust
Yes, he was shadowed all year long, and he perhaps lacked the size to create his own shot under those circumstances.
The UC PP was dismal all year long, too... Heenan seemed so afraid of a blocked shot going the other way that he had them pass it around the perimeter for the full two minutes, every time.
Yes, he was shadowed all year long, and he perhaps lacked the size to create his own shot under those circumstances.
The UC PP was dismal all year long, too... Heenan seemed so afraid of a blocked shot going the other way that he had them pass it around the perimeter for the full two minutes, every time.
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PSUChamps2001
Member of the REAL Zoo Crew
Re: Utica College Pioneers '13-'14 = Lewiston or Bust
Dude are you really that dumb? Those are the criteria that the NCAA Committee uses to PICK the freaking field not your KRACH ranking. Learn the freaking system idiot.
A. The comparisons only show above .500 teams (because below .500 teams don't have a shot at a Pool C bid) so no I didn't compare Plattsburgh to Stout because Plattsburgh wins the comparison. If it really would help you sleep with out your blanket or curled up next to your mom I can do it for you. B. It's called COMMON OPPONENTS MORON. That's why Utica would earn a point in the Common Opponents vs. UWSP and UWEC due to those said school not having a 1.000 winning % against common opponents, the same reason why Plattsburgh's win over UWS gives them a 1.000 winning % against common opponents with just about every western Pool C contender. THAT IS ONE OF THE CRITERIA THE NCAA USES, LEARN THE SYSTEM MORON. Let me guess, you're lost already or think your "system" is the one that's used.
It's what I've been saying dummy. Get your head out of your *** and READ some of the other threads on how the selection is made. It's exactly what the numbers say when looking at the criteria's. In every projection I've done even PRIOR to the NCAA Rankings I put Adrian and or SNC over Plattsburgh. I'd have St Thomas over Plattsburgh as well, but 2 of those three will take a Pool A bid (most likely). Once again because I know your brain works slow, I'VE SAID ALL ALONG THAT WHO EVER DOESN'T GET THE POOL A BID BETWEEN SNC/ADRIAN WOULD GET A POOL C BID OVER PLATTSBURGH. St.Thomas is very close, but would most likely take it over Plattsburgh depending on who they lose to and who they've played when they lose. Way over your thick head I know.
Maybe YOU should go diddle with yourself and actually learn something that has to do with DIII hockey. Come out from your moms basement for a second, put down your National Geographic porno mags, pull your Dora the Explorer panties up and actually learn how DIII works. Unfortunately some of us have to keep an eye on "your" thread because "you" have no idea what "you're" talking about. Some Utica fan's actually like knowing and understanding the way the system works and not making up their own like "you" do. It must suck when even "your" own fans want you to just shut up and realize "you're" a moron.
Dude are you really that dumb? Those are the criteria that the NCAA Committee uses to PICK the freaking field not your KRACH ranking. Learn the freaking system idiot.
A. The comparisons only show above .500 teams (because below .500 teams don't have a shot at a Pool C bid) so no I didn't compare Plattsburgh to Stout because Plattsburgh wins the comparison. If it really would help you sleep with out your blanket or curled up next to your mom I can do it for you. B. It's called COMMON OPPONENTS MORON. That's why Utica would earn a point in the Common Opponents vs. UWSP and UWEC due to those said school not having a 1.000 winning % against common opponents, the same reason why Plattsburgh's win over UWS gives them a 1.000 winning % against common opponents with just about every western Pool C contender. THAT IS ONE OF THE CRITERIA THE NCAA USES, LEARN THE SYSTEM MORON. Let me guess, you're lost already or think your "system" is the one that's used.
It's what I've been saying dummy. Get your head out of your *** and READ some of the other threads on how the selection is made. It's exactly what the numbers say when looking at the criteria's. In every projection I've done even PRIOR to the NCAA Rankings I put Adrian and or SNC over Plattsburgh. I'd have St Thomas over Plattsburgh as well, but 2 of those three will take a Pool A bid (most likely). Once again because I know your brain works slow, I'VE SAID ALL ALONG THAT WHO EVER DOESN'T GET THE POOL A BID BETWEEN SNC/ADRIAN WOULD GET A POOL C BID OVER PLATTSBURGH. St.Thomas is very close, but would most likely take it over Plattsburgh depending on who they lose to and who they've played when they lose. Way over your thick head I know.
Maybe YOU should go diddle with yourself and actually learn something that has to do with DIII hockey. Come out from your moms basement for a second, put down your National Geographic porno mags, pull your Dora the Explorer panties up and actually learn how DIII works. Unfortunately some of us have to keep an eye on "your" thread because "you" have no idea what "you're" talking about. Some Utica fan's actually like knowing and understanding the way the system works and not making up their own like "you" do. It must suck when even "your" own fans want you to just shut up and realize "you're" a moron.
Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
Re: Utica College Pioneers '13-'14 = Lewiston or Bust
Gosh, it appears that Chumps has raided his parents' liquor cabinet once again.
My point -for the very, very few who care to read it- is that there is simply no cogent way to compare East vs. West in D-3; there's just never enough comparative data to sort things out. This year has been better than any I've seen so far in that regard, but still, that info is sadly lacking. (The KRACH, the national PWR, and whatever else you care to cite... Each of them is all over the place.)
Utica is most-likely dead in the water already. Just too many bad losses and ties. If they get a gift from the committee, that will will be as a result of Point losing their next game, UC running the table, and a lot of Eastern prejudice in play.
Not counting on that happening at all, but you never know... Until the last couple of years, many unworthy teams have gotten bids, and I'm not talking about just the AQs.
Gosh, it appears that Chumps has raided his parents' liquor cabinet once again.
My point -for the very, very few who care to read it- is that there is simply no cogent way to compare East vs. West in D-3; there's just never enough comparative data to sort things out. This year has been better than any I've seen so far in that regard, but still, that info is sadly lacking. (The KRACH, the national PWR, and whatever else you care to cite... Each of them is all over the place.)
Utica is most-likely dead in the water already. Just too many bad losses and ties. If they get a gift from the committee, that will will be as a result of Point losing their next game, UC running the table, and a lot of Eastern prejudice in play.
Not counting on that happening at all, but you never know... Until the last couple of years, many unworthy teams have gotten bids, and I'm not talking about just the AQs.
PSUChamps2001
Member of the REAL Zoo Crew
Re: Utica College Pioneers '13-'14 = Lewiston or Bust
I'd love to see your list.
No but continuing to make yourself look like a complete idiotic fool is like taking candy from a baby....you just start typing and the Sea of Dumb just starts flowing on in.....Gosh, it appears that Chumps has raided his parents' liquor cabinet once again.
You're starting to see that no one reads your garbage because you have zero clue what you're talking about. Congrats.
Umm it doesn't matter if its 1 game or 12, it still counts as a point in the common opponents. Wait, do us a favor and tell us 3 of the 6 main criteria that the NCAA Committee uses when comparing teams. I'm sure you won't because you don't want to see just how much of an idiot you are, I mean "have time" to look it up, so you'll just come up with some fancy name calling word to try to make yourself look smart to the 1 or 2 board members who actually believe you. That is if you can get your mom to log in under her username again. Does she proof-read your rants after or before she tucks you in and give you your cookies and milk (hopefully it's in a glass now but I doubt it). If you actually had a clue how things worked and not just how you think they work in Fishland, you wouldn't look like such an idiot...well maybe.
If you paid any attention you'd know that A. Point plays a two game series, so one game means little. B. Even the best case scenario (Point losing both and Utica winning out) Utica still comes up short in the Pool B comparison and not even close in Pool C. Then again that would mean that you would have to actually admit to being wrong and not having a clue about DIII Hockey.
You're right, the ECAC West did not deserve so many bids over the last few seasons.
I'd love to see your list.