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USCHO Women's Hockey Posters Poll

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Well that's quite a high horse you and Trillium find yourselves upon. I'm still waiting for an actual example of a team that benefited from bad officiating coming out and saying that it cheapened a championship.

If attempting to adhere to principles for the sake of the self evident benefit of the principles themselves (regardless of the colour of one's jersey, ethnicity, nationality, gender, education, etc., etc., etc.,) can be characterized as sitting on a high horse then you've just reinforced my point about what's wrong with the world at large...not enough credible self respect gleaned from a life guided by integrity.

And I think that you are too intelligent to actually believe in your last sentence quoted above.

Human nature is such that when something deeply embarrassing happens, especially in the public eye, speaking out about it is very difficult and often causes more questions, controversy, scrutiny and even scorn, especially when it would necessarily bring attention to others, such as team mates, so those people usually just take the path of least resistance and let it slide and live with it.

If our collective human moral code was substantially higher, meaning high enough, then the opposite would be expected...there would be controversy if someone in that situation didn't speak up, but such is generally not the case today. (Although there are rare glimpses of it such as Tim Thomas's refusal a couple of years ago to go to the white house...he had the backbone to stand up and speak out for something he believed in regardless of the scorn that would most likely be heaped upon him by those who wouldn't understand...and in standing up for that particular something that he believed in, because of the circumstances involved, he was necessarily announcing it to the world...scorn be d***ed. There's a moral compass to be emulated.)

If you actually think that someone in this type of situation is going to stand up and speak out you'll be growing a lot older waiting. Most individuals don't possess that amount of courage. And there's the other issue of rationalizing to one's self that it wasn't really that important because if you can convince yourself that that's the case...it feels better. So, most people just go for the easy fix. That doesn't mean that it's morally correct...just a lot more convenient.
 
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After that post, we disagree even more, so I'll just agree to disagree and withdraw.
 
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Yes, in that I think you went too far.

Don't forget, I agree with most of what you've said.

My comments were specifically about two situations where the points in question were so blatantly obvious and egregious as to make the result of those games lack any credibility. I think I agree with everything else that you've said.
 
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If attempting to adhere to principles for the sake of the self evident benefit of the principles themselves (regardless of the colour of one's jersey, ethnicity, nationality, gender, education, etc., etc., etc.,) can be characterized as sitting on a high horse then you've just reinforced my point about what's wrong with the world at large...not enough credible self respect gleaned from a life guided by integrity.

And I think that you are too intelligent to actually believe in your last sentence quoted above.

Human nature is such that when something deeply embarrassing happens, especially in the public eye, speaking out about it is very difficult and often causes more questions, controversy, scrutiny and even scorn, especially when it would necessarily bring attention to others, such as team mates, so those people usually just take the path of least resistance and let it slide and live with it.

If our collective human moral code was substantially higher, meaning high enough, then the opposite would be expected...there would be controversy if someone in that situation didn't speak up, but such is generally not the case today. (Although there are rare glimpses of it such as Tim Thomas's refusal a couple of years ago to go to the white house...he had the backbone to stand up and speak out for something he believed in regardless of the scorn that would most likely be heaped upon him by those who wouldn't understand...and in standing up for that particular something that he believed in, because of the circumstances involved, he was necessarily announcing it to the world...scorn be d***ed. There's a moral compass to be emulated.)

If you actually think that someone in this type of situation is going to stand up and speak out you'll be growing a lot older waiting. Most individuals don't possess that amount of courage. And there's the other issue of rationalizing to one's self that it wasn't really that important because if you can convince yourself that that's the case...it feels better. So, most people just go for the easy fix. That doesn't mean that it's morally correct...just a lot more convenient.

Well, aside from the fact that I consider your moralizing unconvincing, I guess you don't have any evidence and are content to simply characterize your own speculation as fact.
 
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On any given day, anyone can beat anyone, but BC will beat Cornell on more given days than they will beat Minnesota.

I don't get why this concept is so difficult to grasp.

It's not difficult for me. But it certainly contradicts what Grant said when he claimed "no one was in the same stratosphere as Minnesota". If two teams are not in the same stratosphere it would be all but impossible for the inferior team to beat the superior team, unless you're talking about the second "Miracle on Ice" in the entire history of the sport.
 
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It's not difficult for me. But it certainly contradicts what Grant said when he claimed "no one was in the same stratosphere as Minnesota". If two teams are not in the same stratosphere it would be all but impossible for the inferior team to beat the superior team, unless you're talking about the second "Miracle on Ice" in the entire history of the sport.

If BC beat 39-0-0 Minnesota last year, at Ridder Arena no less, I would have viewed it as being not at all dissimilar to the Miracle on Ice, just without the geopolitical context.
 
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If BC beat 39-0-0 Minnesota last year, at Ridder Arena no less, I would have viewed it as being not at all dissimilar to the Miracle on Ice, just without the geopolitical context.

As it was, with BC losing by just one to a team that was in a whole different stratosphere, it must have been very much like a second "Miracle" as far as Grant was concerned. ;)
 
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As it was, with BC losing by just one to a team that was in a whole different stratosphere, it must have been very much like a second "Miracle" as far as Grant was concerned. ;)

Use whatever standard you want - KRACH, Rutter Rankings, goal differential - MN was several orders of magnitude better than everyone else in women's hockey last year. I don't know how this is even a discussion.
 
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As it was, with BC losing by just one to a team that was in a whole different stratosphere, it must have been very much like a second "Miracle" as far as Grant was concerned. ;)
Minnesota's KRACH rating last year was so high that it had to be displayed in scientific notation. So it was at LEAST 10,000 and I'm pretty sure it was higher than that, based off my memory. BC's was probably somewhere in the mid 300s. Based on how KRACH is formulated that would imply that Minnesota was at least 30x more likely to win that game than BC was.

I mean come on, guys. The greatest team of all time was your team, and the season is OVER. There's no need to sandbag anymore.
 
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Minnesota's KRACH rating last year was so high that it had to be displayed in scientific notation.

That would have put it above the stratosphere, into the mesosphere and maybe even the ionosphere! Yeah, I guess you're right, they were pretty good. :cool:

Based on how KRACH is formulated that would imply that Minnesota was at least 30x more likely to win that game than BC was.

I would have taken those odds for sure - my $10 to your $3,000.

There's no need to sandbag anymore.

Coming from a true master I can't begin to tell you how much that means. :D
 
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That would have put it above the stratosphere, into the mesosphere and maybe even the ionosphere! Yeah, I guess you're right, they were pretty good. :cool:

Why not shoot for the Moon. :D
 
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Hey, get it right -- I'm a troll, not a sandbagger! hahaha

Keep working on it and someday you'll get there! After you're team wins something other than the BeanKettle it'll come more naturally. :p
 
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Keep working on it and someday you'll get there! After your team wins something other than the BeanKettle it'll come more naturally. :p
Ugh.... don't remind me. I can't believe the ONLY non-Beanpottery we've ever won in our program's history is one (1) regular season title and one (1) tournament title.

Srsly, you guys. You guys. I'm srsly.
 
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We somehow manage to assuage our envy by polishing our trophies again.

*golf clap*



I would add that while the relative "cheapness" of a championship is not something that is likely to be a concern for the winners, it's something the losers will never, ever let them forget.
So while I'd agree that, say BC, would take a win any which way and run with it, I think players and fans alike would prefer to not have to "defend" their win and hear about it from internet trolls for the rest of their lives ;)
 
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