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Unrest in Egypt

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The Libyan ambassador to China resigned, called on all diplomatic people to resign, and claimed that Gaddafi's sons got in a shootout with each other and Gaddafi may have fled the country.
 
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Tweet from AJE's twitter feed.
ihabmouti I'm still pretty **** sure that #Gaddafi and Lady Gaga share a wardrobe... Maybe a stylist... Definitely a Dealer. #Libya
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-how long until oil hits 200/bl?
-would saudi sell to us at 20/bl if we go in and support them with bs reforms for peeps and bodies on the ground for interference?
-would democracy work with muslim fanatics taking power and imposing will?
-would these new 'leaders' learn from the mistakes of the past two months and coming months?
-is there anyway to keep people down?
-is anyone on the ground in china paying attention?
-still waiting for iran to turn....
 
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I strongly suspect that longterm what the US and China want will matter about as much as what the Solomon Islands wants. Superpowers... not really all that powerful.
 
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Kepler said:
I strongly suspect that longterm what the US and China want will matter about as much as what the Solomon Islands wants. Superpowers... not really all that powerful.
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All we can do is hope that whoever gets to be in charge are somewhat friendly, and won't put us all over a barrel when it comes to oil.
 
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All we can do is hope that whoever gets to be in charge are somewhat friendly, and won't put us all over a barrel when it comes to oil.
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There may be little consistency in who really calls the shots -- some countries may become more democratic and at least have real elections, some may become more benevolent dictatorships, some may just trade one kleptocrat for another. All will still have to deal with the laws of economics. I would worry more about gouging by distributers looking to turn the instability into an excuse for a windfall.
 
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Kepler said:
There may be little consistency in who really calls the shots -- some countries may become more democratic and at least have real elections, some may become more benevolent dictatorships, some may just trade one kleptocrat for another. All will still have to deal with the laws of economics. I would worry more about gouging by distributers looking to turn the instability into an excuse for a windfall.
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Its the little people that are always going to get screwed on this. We might as well just realize this and ask the corporate heads to at least wear a rubber and use some lube when they violate us.
 
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bigmrg74 said:
Its the little people that are always going to get screwed on this. We might as well just realize this and ask the corporate heads to at least wear a rubber and use some lube when they violate us.
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Well, there's always the option of violating them right back. :)

Another county heard from.
 
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Kepler said:
I strongly suspect that longterm what the US and China want will matter about as much as what the Solomon Islands wants. Superpowers... not really all that powerful.
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it only takes one country to lay it down and kill everyone in xyz square to change thinking. people thinking they can get away with crazy behavior like this is leading others to consider themselves heros as well. lets see what happens when one of these ***** dictators man's up.
 
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Meh, if they hold us over a barrel of oil, we'll return the favor with water, since if they use large scale desalinization, they kill off the marine life nearby because they're too stupid to pack it on land.

Start making 1 for 1 trades. Water for Oil.
 
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mookie1995 said:
it only takes one country to lay it down and kill everyone in xyz square to change thinking. people thinking they can get away with crazy behavior like this is leading others to consider themselves heros as well. lets see what happens when one of these ***** dictators man's up.
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Repression springs from the barrel of a gun, but its day-to-day mechanism is hopelessness (c.f. USSR). Tunisia gave the Egyptians hope, Egypt gave the Yemenis, Libyans and Bahrainians (?) hope, and the more people get out in the street the more things tip. Also the dictators have a simple logistical problem -- either their coercive forces are native and vulnerable to recruitment into the protest or mercenary and loyal only until the paychecks are interrupted, which happens as soon as there is chaos.
 
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Libyan Justice Minister resigns. At least 60 people killed in Tripoli. Pro-democracy protesters reported to be in control of Benghazi. AJE has on-spot reporters in areas that seem pretty peaceful and under control (also airing footage from the last few days from places that are distinctly neither). Signs and chants of the crowds emphasize: getting rid of the dictator, democracy, jobs, a national unity government of the opposition. Quaddafi (I'm old enough to recall the old spelling) seems to have withdrawn from Tripoli to his rural tribal lands and vows he will return with tens of thousands of loyalists, but most locals consider that a fantasy.

In Bahrain the pro-democracy protesters are right back in the square despite the massacre Saturday, and they've set up functioning electric and water infrastructure, and have supplies of food.
 
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Quaddafi (I'm old enough to recall the old spelling) seems to have withdrawn from Tripoli to his rural tribal lands and vows he will return with tens of thousands of loyalists, but most locals consider that a fantasy.
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Seventeen across. Yes. Seventeen across is wrong. You're spelling his name wrong. What's my name? My name doesn't matter. I'm just an ordinary citizen who relies on the Times crossword for stimulation. And I'm telling you, that I've met the man twice, and I've recommended a preemptive Exocet Missile strike against his air force.
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The head of the military in Libya is under house arrest for refusing his orders (gee, I wonder what those were) and there are now 4 choppers at the main square firing on the protesters. The state-run radio station in Tripoli was reportedly attacked and burned to the ground. Qadaffi isn't going to get thousands of Libyans who support him, he is hiring thugs from surrounding countries to come fight for him. The protesters seem to think they are winning and that Q will be overthrown soon. It seems to be a matter of attrition now - will Q kill them all before going down in flames, or do the protesters have enough people to survive despite the repeated massacres?
 
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bronconick said:
Meh, if they hold us over a barrel of oil, we'll return the favor with water, since if they use large scale desalinization, they kill off the marine life nearby because they're too stupid to pack it on land.

Start making 1 for 1 trades. Water for Oil.
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Not a bad idea, execpt that if you have oil, and a source for salt water, then making drinking water is a matter of burning oil. It's pretty easy (the ABC islands do this with Venezuala's oil). Cut off water, they will suspend any care for the environment to survive- simple human nature.
 
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Priceless said:
The head of the military in Libya is under house arrest for refusing his orders (gee, I wonder what those were) and there are now 4 choppers at the main square firing on the protesters. The state-run radio station in Tripoli was reportedly attacked and burned to the ground. Qadaffi isn't going to get thousands of Libyans who support him, he is hiring thugs from surrounding countries to come fight for him. The protesters seem to think they are winning and that Q will be overthrown soon. It seems to be a matter of attrition now - will Q kill them all before going down in flames, or do the protesters have enough people to survive despite the repeated massacres?
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mookie1995 said:
is anyone on the ground in china paying attention?
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I think the Chinese leadership is watching. And they're doing their best to prevent it. But China is still a few years away from this. There's still a lot of opportunity for many Chinese to improve their quality of life.

The disparity between rich and poor, while large, isn't great enough yet. There are still job opportunities for people in the countryside to migrate to on the coast. Wages need to grow so that jobs start to move to other places, or until the cost of Chinese goods become similar to other Asian countries. Then those jobs will dry up. But they will also need to run out of infrastructure projects on top of that. As long as they are building new rail lines and highways, there are some jobs for the masses. At that point, the economy will cool, and economic hardship will grow.

But most importantly, the Chinese leadership has been framing both economic and political issues in nationalistic terms for a long time. That way, when anybody external criticizes any policy, it becomes the foreigners trying to set Chinese policy, like in the 1800s. That has a lot more traction in China than in the Middle East.
 
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