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Unrest in Egypt

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:eek: You couldn't be more wrong. Can you imagine what would've happened to minorities in Rwanda, or the Balkans, or Iran or Iraq quite recently if they didn't own guns? Oh wait, they didn't, you can't. Cause they're dead.
The Egyptian people are doing a great thing and have a chance for a positive outcome, but look who has all the power right now. Yep, the people with the guns. Hopefully they're nice because the generals are going to have their way.
Wow.
 
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Is the AJE feed just a central camera that news outlets can all tap into? MSNBC.com's front page has live video using the same camera, minus the AJE graphics, and no credit to who is providing the video source.
 
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Is the AJE feed just a central camera that news outlets can all tap into? MSNBC.com's front page has live video using the same camera, minus the AJE graphics, and no credit to who is providing the video source.

I think the cameras are just close to each other. As I recall, most journalists are in a hotel that overlooks the Square. Almost all video comes from cameras set up on balconies outside the rooms.
 
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:eek: You couldn't be more wrong. Can you imagine what would've happened to minorities in Rwanda, or the Balkans, or Iran or Iraq quite recently if they didn't own guns? Oh wait, they didn't, you can't. Cause they're dead..

All of your examples are third world...and not places that the US Constitution covers. Unless you're thinking that we're coming up on some wholesale genocide in the US.

The Egyptian people are doing a great thing and have a chance for a positive outcome, but look who has all the power right now. Yep, the people with the guns. Hopefully they're nice because the generals are going to have their way.

Again, the 2nd Amendment says nothing about the military's nor the police's right to have weapons. And I don't think that anyone's advocating disarming the police or military.
 
I am at work do info is tough to get...please keep the updates coming :)

Btw I take full credit for the revolution...I go to Egypt and 8 months later they ask for freedom! Scotland better watch out ;)
 
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Priceless: Then they were moving them at the same time and direction. I had both pulled up at once, and they were showing the same thing/angle/movements.
 
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I am at work do info is tough to get...please keep the updates coming :)

Btw I take full credit for the revolution...I go to Egypt and 8 months later they ask for freedom! Scotland better watch out ;)

Its not Scotland that should watch out, its all of those lily-livered limey english that should worry. ;)

really loving the celebration video feed with people just lighting off fireworks. Gotta wonder if this day will become Eygpt's Fourth of July with professional fireworks displays.
 
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All of your examples are third world...and not places that the US Constitution covers. Unless you're thinking that we're coming up on some wholesale genocide in the US.



Again, the 2nd Amendment says nothing about the military's nor the police's right to have weapons. And I don't think that anyone's advocating disarming the police or military.

OK, you said the 2nd Amendment is "obselete" because people can guard against tyranny without guns as shown in Egypt (which I shouldn't have to tell you is not "covered by the US Constitution"). I pointed out examples where that wasn't accomplished, showing non-violent revolutions to be the continuing exception to the norm. You said well yeah, there's no constitution in those places. Kind of proves my point, doesn't it? The constitution is what sets the U.S. apart human-rights-wise. That doesn't make it obselete.
To your second point, .... not seeing it. I don't think we have an argument there. Unless you're advocating that members of the ruling military class are given some rights the other citizens aren't permitted, and which increases their stranglehold.
 
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I am at work do info is tough to get...please keep the updates coming :)

Btw I take full credit for the revolution...I go to Egypt and 8 months later they ask for freedom! Scotland better watch out ;)

Thousands of people are forming a line and filing through the house of a grocer who did a single-man protest (in the form of a suicide bomb) in December, that is credited with sparking what has happened.

The reason Tahrir Square looks like a wedding party is because it is! A man and woman who were married in the Square a few days ago are having their wedding party at the Square now. Don't know if it was planned this way or is another coincidence, but the mood in the Square is absolutely festive.

Obama is scheduled to address the media soon. Hopefully he can shed a little light on exactly who is in charge in Egypt.
 
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I wasn't going to touch that 2nd amendment comment. I was unclear about where he was going with that statement, and I didn't want to follow it up. Mark that down as yet ANOTHER reason I will never be successful if I ever wanted to go into politics.


Just found a good article talking about AJE's coverage of the revolution, and how US media blatantly ignored doing proper journalism. http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/zontv/2011/02/egypt_tv_a_day_of_bad_informat.html
 
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Priceless: Then they were moving them at the same time and direction. I had both pulled up at once, and they were showing the same thing/angle/movements.

Interesting. If I can get them synced up I'll check the AJE, MSNBC and BBC feeds. Maybe there's just one universal feed.

Edit: Yes, the BBC has the same camera shot as AJE. It looks like it's a single feed.
 
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Here's my proposed variation on the "Hitler Rule of Debate": The moment Foxton agrees with something you say (for example, that the non-violent coup in Egypt proves that the 2nd Amendment is obselete in the U.S.), you automatically lose the argument. :)
 
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The reason Tahrir Square looks like a wedding party is because it is! A man and woman who were married in the Square a few days ago are having their wedding party at the Square now. Don't know if it was planned this way or is another coincidence, but the mood in the Square is absolutely festive.
You do get the feeling from the crowd there that there's going to be a few babies made soon. Egypt could have a small population boom in 9 months or so.
 
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The people of Egypt have spoken, their voices have been heard, and Egypt will never be the same"
#Egypt showed "we need not be defined by our differences, we can be defined by the common humanity that we share"
President Obama: "Today belongs to the people of Egypt... Americans are moved... because of who we are as a people"

Also
Obama: Something in the soul that cries out for freedom, those were the cries that came out of #Tahrir square..the word means liberation
Today belongs to the people of Egypt," President Obama said in a press conference Friday that was broadcast live in the United States and Egypt.

"There are very few moments in our lives where we have the priviledge to witness history taking place. This is one of those moments," the president said.

"The people of Egypt have spoken; their voices have been heard and Egypt will never be the same," he said. "By stepping down, President Mubarak responded to the Egyptian people's hunger for change...but this is not the end of Egypt's transition. It's a beginning."

He praised the Egyptian military for acting responsibly, and said it now
needs to help ensure a credible transition. Among other things, Egyptian authorities need to end emergency rule and ensure the enactment of key legal reforms, Obama said.

"Egyptians have made it clear that nothing less than genuine democracy will carry the day," he said.

"This is the power of human dignity, it can never be denied... for Egypt, it was the moral force of non-violence, not terrorism, not mindless killing... that bent the arc of history toward justice once more," he said.

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At the last briefing by Press Secretary Robert Gibbs, Obama quipped
"Obviously, Robert's departure is not the most important one today."
 
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President Obama: "Today belongs to the people of Egypt... Americans are moved... because of who we are as a people"
What is sort of frustrating is that with how sensationalist the US media is, outside of reading pockets of information (like this thread, similar world-cultured minds) or finding alternate global sources of news (AJE)... this is the revolution that the general US population slept through.

I was channel surfing last night and none of the cable news nets had anything remotely covering this topic (or I didn't see it because it wasn't the item on screen at the time). And how in the Hell does a network named "Headline News" have fluff programming. Jesus, can't they "Sportscenter" it and air the same 30 minute segment for two hours, then tape a new one? And break in when needed?
 
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What is sort of frustrating is that with how sensationalist the US media is, outside of reading pockets of information (like this thread, similar world-cultured minds) or finding alternate global sources of news (AJE)... this is the revolution that the general US population slept through.

I was channel surfing last night and none of the cable news nets had anything remotely covering this topic (or I didn't see it because it wasn't the item on screen at the time). And how in the Hell does a network named "Headline News" have fluff programming. Jesus, can't they "Sportscenter" it and air the same 30 minute segment for two hours, then tape a new one? And break in when needed?

It came across my Twitter feed that most Americans have no idea anything is happening in Egypt. If I can find a link I'll post it.

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52% of Americans according to Pew.

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Isn't anyone else worried that the departure of Robert Gibbs will leave a power vacuum that will lead to Islamist takeover?
 
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And how in the Hell does a network named "Headline News" have fluff programming. Jesus, can't they "Sportscenter" it and air the same 30 minute segment for two hours, then tape a new one? And break in when needed?

You mean you think Headline News should do what it used to do when it started? Why in the world would they do that? Next thing you'll say is that some network devoted to music should actually show music videos or crazy nonsense like that.
 
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The reason Tahrir Square looks like a wedding party is because it is! A man and woman who were married in the Square a few days ago are having their wedding party at the Square now. Don't know if it was planned this way or is another coincidence, but the mood in the Square is absolutely festive.

Imus this morning said the square looked like Woodstock without Country Joe and the Fish. :rolleyes:
 
You mean you think Headline News should do what it used to do when it started? Why in the world would they do that? Next thing you'll say is that some network devoted to music should actually show music videos or crazy nonsense like that.

Hah...so funny yet so true!
 
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OK, you said the 2nd Amendment is "obselete" because people can guard against tyranny without guns as shown in Egypt (which I shouldn't have to tell you is not "covered by the US Constitution"). I pointed out examples where that wasn't accomplished, showing non-violent revolutions to be the continuing exception to the norm. You said well yeah, there's no constitution in those places. Kind of proves my point, doesn't it? The constitution is what sets the U.S. apart human-rights-wise. That doesn't make it obselete.
To your second point, .... not seeing it. I don't think we have an argument there. Unless you're advocating that members of the ruling military class are given some rights the other citizens aren't permitted, and which increases their stranglehold.
It's obsolete and your examples use situations that aren't even comparable. The Rwandan genocide for example was gov't sponsored/organized and they made a point that if the average person didn't take part they were killed on the spot as well. The hypothetical threat of armed civilians (which amounts to 0 to an organized group showing up at your house in the middle of the night) doesn't even matter if someone is going to do that. Especially since those same civilians would have been able to go out and shoot their neighbors.

Where did this happen in Egypt? Did Mubarak's thugs that tried to break up the protest with violence start chopping people up with machetes? How would the people in Rwanda have insured their rights by being violent? All that would have lead to is confirmation of the propoganda that was being spread about them.
 
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