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Unrest in Egypt

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I wish we'd stop ALL foreign aid foremost. We have way too many problems in this country to go being charitable to other nations first.

Please. Our foreign aid budget is miniscule. That's like saying you should stop having after dinner mints because its empty calories, ignorning the fact that you eat a 2500 calorie fettucini alfredo dish from olive garden 7 days a week. There's "every little bit helps" and then there's ignoring the giant elephant in the room.

Cut the military budget by 15% first, then I'll be happy to join in calls for eliminating foreign aid, NASA, PBS funding, etc., because at least then we're taking serious budgetary steps
 
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Cut the military budget by 15% first, then I'll be happy to join in calls for eliminating foreign aid, NASA, PBS funding, etc., because at least then we're taking serious budgetary steps

Ding! Ding!

Just positioning our military posture for the 21st century would probably result in 15% falling off all by itself.
 
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Please. Our foreign aid budget is miniscule. That's like saying you should stop having after dinner mints because its empty calories, ignorning the fact that you eat a 2500 calorie fettucini alfredo dish from olive garden 7 days a week. There's "every little bit helps" and then there's ignoring the giant elephant in the room.

Cut the military budget by 15% first, then I'll be happy to join in calls for eliminating foreign aid, NASA, PBS funding, etc., because at least then we're taking serious budgetary steps

That only addresses part of the issue though. There's an argument for cutting foreign aid from a fiscal standpoint (flimsy, as you point out). But you seem to ignore the more essential point, which is, does it actually work?
 
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Herrrrrre's Hosni!

Not stepping down; anyone else hear yelling from the square on the BBC feed the moment he said that?
 
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The AJE feed is showing "Liberation Square" and up until a moment ago, it just looked like stunned silence.

Now, the crowd is chanting (what I assume is anti-Mubarak chants).

AJE caption says they're waiving their shoes at Mubarak. I love cultural differences in showing displeasure. :D
 
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Wow...that is not how you end a protest. He basically just gave the people more resolve by ticking them off!
 
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Wow...that is not how you end a protest. He basically just gave the people more resolve by ticking them off!

He sounded angry at the Protesters at the end of the speech. Im not sure if you want to get a rise out of protesters, which are likely to turn violent. Should be a long night in Cairo.
 
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Wow...that is not how you end a protest. He basically just gave the people more resolve by ticking them off!

Egyptian State TV is not showing the crowds anymore. Go figure.

The army had stated earlier that "the people's demands will be granted." Either there is a major disconnect or there's a split in the regime.

AJE reporting that people are chanting that the army needs to choose which side they're on, and now there are reports that crowds are marching to the main army barracks to circumvent the government and talk directly to the army. Hopefully they aren't provocative about it.
 
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Sounds like more "Million Man Marches" tomorrow...people are friggin ticked off.

This is going to get really ugly...
 
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AJE reporting that people are chanting that the army needs to choose which side they're on.

And, they just interviewed their reporter in Alexandria (my feed kept glitching so I may be a few minutes behind) who said that the protesters that were in the area behind him started marching towards the army base before Mubarak's speech was over. He didn't know what they were going to accomplish, all he knew is where they were headed.
 
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VP speaks on Egypt TV, says more of the same and tells protesters to go home. And tells them to quit watching satellite TV because it's "influencing your thinking."

AJE asks a specialist their thoughts, and what the protesters will do tonight. Specialists reply? "Nothing, they'll go get sleep and then tomorrow we'll see everything unfold."

Peaceful protests, (somewhat) rational thought after "sleeping on it"... there are going to be textbooks written about this revolution no matter if its successful or not.


I do wonder like Kepler does, if there isn't a fracture within the military. I would have thought they would have picked a side by now.
 
VP speaks on Egypt TV, says more of the same and tells protesters to go home. And tells them to quit watching satellite TV because it's "influencing your thinking."

AJE asks a specialist their thoughts, and what the protesters will do tonight. Specialists reply? "Nothing, they'll go get sleep and then tomorrow we'll see everything unfold."

Peaceful protests, (somewhat) rational thought after "sleeping on it"... there are going to be textbooks written about this revolution no matter if its successful or not.


I do wonder like Kepler does, if there isn't a fracture within the military. I would have thought they would have picked a side by now.
You would think that the top offices would start drawing lines in the sand and seeing who's side the officers are on.
 
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That speech by Mubarak was the bait. If the protesters take the bait and become violent it will turn ugly. It may get ugly anyway. There's a lot of traffic on my Twitter feed imploring the people to stay non-violent because Mubarak wants violence so he can crack down. There was undoubtedly a split in the military between when that statement was issued and when Mubarak spoke. A US diplomat confirmed that what Mubarak said isn't what they were told he would say. Mubarak appears to have the support of the generals. If the soldiers in the field follow the orders of their generals, it will turn nasty in a hurry.

A sample from my feed:
One #Tahrir sq protester in tears, screams after Mubarak speech: 'If we'd been talking to a wall, it would have understood us'
LPC: I hope more and more people recognize the clear provocation in these actions. We need to remain peaceful.
Let me clarify something. We r not leaving #tahrir sq, we r adding TV building 2 d liberated zone
Senior U.S. official: #Mubarak decision "not what we were told ... or wanted to happen" http://on.cnn.com/f9CPes
The #Egyptians have proven they want a peaceful protest and existence. Mubarak has proven he wants blood time and time again
ElBaradei: Egypt will explode. Army must save the country now

Edit: The White House press corps has been assembled for a presidential speech momentarily...
 
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That speech by Mubarak was the bait. If the protesters take the bait and become violent it will turn ugly. It may get ugly anyway. There's a lot of traffic on my Twitter feed imploring the people to stay non-violent because Mubarak wants violence so he can crack down. There was undoubtedly a split in the military between when that statement was issued and when Mubarak spoke. A US diplomat confirmed that what Mubarak said isn't what they were told he would say. Mubarak appears to have the support of the generals. If the soldiers in the field follow the orders of their generals, it will turn nasty in a hurry.

So far they've been amazing, considering the provocations. At least it exposes forever a lot of myths about the region -- these protesters have been far more calm, intelligent, organized and reasonable than our population would be under the same circumstances. The French would have burned their cars by now, we would have all been drunk and killing one another with our 2nd amendment protected small arms or we would have dispersed the moment we were offered extra cheese. The Germans, I dunno, maybe a pogrom, they aways seem up for that.

There's no power on earth stronger than non-violent civil disobediance.
 
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Santorum Blasts Obama for Siding with Egyptian Protesters
That's sure to win him the nomination. Side with a dictator.

Obama's statement tonight:

The Egyptian people have been told that there was a transition of authority, but it is not yet clear that this transition is immediate, meaningful or sufficient. Too many Egyptians remain unconvinced that the government is serious about a genuine transition to democracy, and it is the responsibility of the government to speak clearly to the Egyptian people and the world. The Egyptian government must put forward a credible, concrete and unequivocal path toward genuine democracy, and they have not yet seized that opportunity.

As we have said from the beginning of this unrest, the future of Egypt will be determined by the Egyptian people. But the United States has also been clear that we stand for a set of core principles. We believe that the universal rights of the Egyptian people must be respected, and their aspirations must be met. We believe that this transition must immediately demonstrate irreversible political change, and a negotiated path to democracy. To that end, we believe that the emergency law should be lifted. We believe that meaningful negotiations with the broad opposition and Egyptian civil society should address the key questions confronting Egypt's future: protecting the fundamental rights of all citizens; revising the Constitution and other laws to demonstrate irreversible change; and jointly developing a clear roadmap to elections that are free and fair.

We therefore urge the Egyptian government to move swiftly to explain the changes that have been made, and to spell out in clear and unambiguous language the step by step process that will lead to democracy and the representative government that the Egyptian people seek. Going forward, it will be essential that the universal rights of the Egyptian people be respected. There must be restraint by all parties. Violence must be forsaken. It is imperative that the government not respond to the aspirations of their people with repression or brutality. The voices of the Egyptian people must be heard.

The Egyptian people have made it clear that there is no going back to the way things were: Egypt has changed, and its future is in the hands of the people. Those who have exercised their right to peaceful assembly represent the greatness of the Egyptian people, and are broadly representative of Egyptian society. We have seen young and old, rich and poor, Muslim and Christian join together, and earn the respect of the world through their non-violent calls for change. In that effort, young people have been at the forefront, and a new generation has emerged. They have made it clear that Egypt must reflect their hopes, fulfill their highest aspirations, and tap their boundless potential. In these difficult times, I know that the Egyptian people will persevere, and they must know that they will continue to have a friend in the United States of America.

There are now over 3000 protesters gathered outside Mubarak's palace at 3AM local time. By the time they really ramp it up after prayers there could be a couple million.
 
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Can't help but get behind Obama's statement. I don't even want to read the Santorum response.
 
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