If St Cloud upsets Minnesota (they split with them during the regular season), BU defeats Cornell, and Qpac takes out Ohio State, then the final 4 will have one team from each HE, ECAC, NCHC and Big10. If the Big Red defeats BU, then we will have two. Cornell and Qpac have to come out smoking. The coaching staff should be showing them pictures of Tampa beaches.
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Union College: 2022-2023
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Thomas Kaine
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It’s been good to see that so far Union has not lost much out of the transfer portal (just Petruolo), after being gutted these past few years. I took a quick look and we had five guys that went elsewhere and put up a combined 133 points last season. Here’s to hoping Hauge can get guys to stick around; some scholarships should certainly help.
Still an uphill battle. Saw a chart of D1 hockey program spending by school; Union is dead last at ~$1 million, just a third of what Quin and RPI, and way off the $5-6 million dollar budgets of the Big Ten schools.
Still an uphill battle. Saw a chart of D1 hockey program spending by school; Union is dead last at ~$1 million, just a third of what Quin and RPI, and way off the $5-6 million dollar budgets of the Big Ten schools.
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Looks like our transfers helped contribute to Qpac and Cornell's success this year. I bet there are D-III schools that spend more than we do. This begs the question, where does Union invest its money, and how has that changed over the past 10 years? Sort of like looking at an income statement and determining sources and uses of funds. This would be very enlightening.
Where are the schools' priorities? Has it attempted to place a measurable value on the hockey program and what it has meant to the school? What price are they willing to pay to compete in D-I? Since Unions founding in 1795, it has always managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. If Clarkson, a very comparable school on all levels, can compete successfully and be competitive year after year, why cannot we?
We also need a new rink or at least rip up the concrete and put down new pipes.
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Puckstopper467
New member
Great to see Union keep their players intact. I am not a portal believer other that the top 7-10% which is top players that go to top schools. Union will be better staying with their players and getting better together
sk8tronthepond
Registered User
That's because their top players already left,
If my numbers are correct, it looks like Minnesota is 0-3 all-time against ECAC teams in the NCAA Tournament final.
NCAA Tournament Results
1954 [TABLE="cellpadding: 2, cellspacing: 0"]
[TR]
[TD]March 13[/TD]
[TD]Rensselaer[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]Minnesota[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]ot[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
1989 [TABLE="cellpadding: 2, cellspacing: 0"]
[TR]
[TD]April 1[/TD]
[TD]Harvard[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]Minnesota[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]ot[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
2014 [TABLE="cellpadding: 2, cellspacing: 0"]
[TR]
[TD]April 12[/TD]
[TD]Union[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]Minnesota[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]Box[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
And 2014 was the last time Minnesota was in the finals.
NCAA Tournament Results
1954 [TABLE="cellpadding: 2, cellspacing: 0"]
[TR]
[TD]March 13[/TD]
[TD]Rensselaer[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]Minnesota[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]ot[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
1989 [TABLE="cellpadding: 2, cellspacing: 0"]
[TR]
[TD]April 1[/TD]
[TD]Harvard[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]Minnesota[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]ot[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
2014 [TABLE="cellpadding: 2, cellspacing: 0"]
[TR]
[TD]April 12[/TD]
[TD]Union[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]Minnesota[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]Box[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
And 2014 was the last time Minnesota was in the finals.
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DrewQU99
#BobcatNation
0-3 vs. current ECAC teams, but 0-4 overall. BU beat Minnesota in 1971 when the Terriers were members of the ECAC.
Ralph Baer
Let's Go 'Tute!
To be technical, if you count BU because they were in the ECAC in 1971 then RPI should not count because the ECAC did not exist yet in 1954 when RPI was in the Tri-State League.
A year later, construction is yet to start on the proposed new Union hockey rink at Schenectady’s Mohawk Harbor
By Ken Schott and Chad Arnold | April 16, 2023
https://dailygazette.com/2023/04/16...l67g9kJcdCAOE9EyDhqSf2wnM3hjFwSdS0W6whViHTuBI
All talk and no action. It looks like New York State has budgeted $10 million for a $40 million center. Don't hold your breath.
By Ken Schott and Chad Arnold | April 16, 2023
https://dailygazette.com/2023/04/16...l67g9kJcdCAOE9EyDhqSf2wnM3hjFwSdS0W6whViHTuBI
All talk and no action. It looks like New York State has budgeted $10 million for a $40 million center. Don't hold your breath.
Wicked Slappaahs
I miss Tie Domi
And those were pre-Covid cost guesstimates....you can easily add 40-50% to those numbers given today's material cost increases/labor shortages, etc.
I thought that Stonehill was D-II. It does look like we have two away against Colorado College in October.
Yes 2@CC 2@UVM 1@Army 1@Bentley
QUAlum2004
Well-known member
They jumped to Division I last summer but are easing their way in.
SCHENECTADY — Union College men’s hockey sophomore forward Andrew Seaman entered the NCAA transfer portal on Friday. Seaman played in just one game this season, Jan. 7 against Colgate. He didn’t record a point. As a freshman in 2021-22, Seaman played in 23 games, recording three goals and two assists. He had a multi-point game against St. Lawrence on Jan. 14, 2022, which included scoring the game-winning goal in a 3-2 victory at Appleton Arena in Canton.
Seaman is the sixth Dutchmen to enter the portal this year, joining senior forwards Matt Allen and Christian Sanda, junior defenseman Nic Petruolo, sophomore forward Michael Hodge, and freshman defenseman Greg Japchen.
Were scholarships supposed to prevent this stuff? We can now offer athletic scholarships for hockey like everyone else. It did not seem to impede us in the past as "need-based" is a sure thing over four years and athletic scholarships are year to year. If you get an athletic hockey scholarship, does that negate any consideration for "need?" Looks like we will be battling to stay out of the ECAC's bottom four for some time to come.
Seaman is the sixth Dutchmen to enter the portal this year, joining senior forwards Matt Allen and Christian Sanda, junior defenseman Nic Petruolo, sophomore forward Michael Hodge, and freshman defenseman Greg Japchen.
Were scholarships supposed to prevent this stuff? We can now offer athletic scholarships for hockey like everyone else. It did not seem to impede us in the past as "need-based" is a sure thing over four years and athletic scholarships are year to year. If you get an athletic hockey scholarship, does that negate any consideration for "need?" Looks like we will be battling to stay out of the ECAC's bottom four for some time to come.
Thomas Kaine
New member
This is what all of D1 looks like now. What’s important (and positive) is that none of these guys are key pieces (and most of them badly saw the ice), in stark contrast to last year when we lost 100+ points of production to the portal. Based on the early returns it looks like we’ll add more than we lose in the portal polka this year.
To be technical, the ECAC did not sponsor hockey in 1954. Almost positive they began doing that no later than the very early 1960's. However, the ECAC'S founding date was 1938.
All that needs to be confirmed is whether RPI was an ECAC member between 1938 and the early 1960's. Unfortunately, will take a wild guess that anyone who was working at either RPI or the ECAC between 1938 and the very early 1960's is no longer "available" to verify that either way.
UnionFan4Life
New member
Exactly, we lost two seniors and guys buried on the depth chart. The exception is Petrolo, but I don’t believe he fits Hauge’s scheme and is no guarantee to be in the top 6 next year. I would be worried if we lost Hauge’s recruits, but that doesn’t seem to be the case as of now. On a side note, I hope we get some positive updates on the new rink soon as that will only help the program moving forward.
My biggest question is does the school have the funding for the scholarships? Back when I was a student manager for the program, funding was extremely limited. I did notice however, that the school was one of the petitioners to be able to award scholarships and they are not just beneficiaries of a push by RIT or other D3 non-traditional playup schools (like Clarkson, RPI, and SLU) that were grandfathered into being able to provide scholarships, and they are pushing for a new rink by the river now. So perhaps (hopefully) the program has a much bigger budget than years past when the program was limited to scheduling just one trip requiring a flight each year. I certainly hope so.
The scholarships are being phased in at 4.5 per year for the next 4 years to get up to 18 total. Same being done for the womens team. They are setting up an endowment to pay for them in perpetuity so they are not a part of the annual athletic budget or taken from financial aid for the school as a whole. This seems like a good idea if they can get rich donors to make it work. 18 x 2 teams = approx $2M. From what I hear the schollies are already making a difference in recruiting, particularly on the womens side