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UNH Recruits: 2012-2018

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NCAA watcher said:
Martz was 19 when he came to UNH.
Unless Souza has taken control of Umile's mind, Conway is the sort of kid they would never take on. A transfer (sign of weak commitment to Umile), and thrown out of Penn State to boot! Last transfer was Todd Hall in 1993, IIRC.

I have my eye on Colin Grannary as a potential Foegele replacement.
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If Stewart were out recruiting to replace WF when would this player arrive next season? Anyone see at the 'Whitt where his face came up for another player during intros? Not the first time that's happened...
 
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Whalers said:
Be wary of overage BCHL "scorers". Will be 21.5 years old if he arrived, but probably a sophomore as wildcatdc points out. I remember Nathan Martz and Travis Bunga being ultra hyped as top 5 BCHL scorers and then they were average (Martz) and gone to mediocrity at D3 UNE (Bunga). They were 20+ when arriving.
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Travis (Cowabunga) Banga went to D3 New England College in Henniker, NH not UNE in Biddeford, ME! Your point is well taken though!
 
Whalers said:
Be wary of overage BCHL "scorers". Will be 21.5 years old if he arrived, but probably a sophomore as wildcatdc points out. I remember Nathan Martz and Travis Bunga being ultra hyped as top 5 BCHL scorers and then they were average (Martz) and gone to mediocrity at D3 UNE (Bunga). They were 20+ when arriving.
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Understand your point - but this would be a 21.5 year old, high scorer from the BCHL who also scored nearly 30 points as an NCAA freshman and was a high scorer in the USHL.

Watcher is probably 100% on the money, unfortunately, so not sure we have to worry about what he'd do at UNH. But, I still have hope for this old dog to learn some new tricks...

Banga was a total bust, but Martz is probably the third best forward if he's on this year's roster... :(

Yes, DC, he would be a soph.
 
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NCAA watcher said:
Martz was 19 when he came to UNH.
Unless Souza has taken control of Umile's mind, Conway is the sort of kid they would never take on. A transfer (sign of weak commitment to Umile), and thrown out of Penn State to boot! Last transfer was Todd Hall in 1993, IIRC.

I have my eye on Colin Grannary as a potential Foegele replacement.
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Pretty sure Ty Conklin (UAA) was the last transfer? Also I'm pretty sure Sean Matile (UMaine) and Greg Dumont (Air Force?) were a few years after Hall arrived from BC, fresh off Steve "Count" Cedorchuck's scholarships fiasco at BC. :D

Technically, I suppose we could count Ed "Hamlet" Caron, who was torn between UNH and Yale for awhile at the turn of the century. Then again, the E-Train was probably the guy who single-handedly soured Coach Umile on transfers.
 
Chuck Murray said:
Pretty sure Ty Conklin (UAA) was the last transfer? Also I'm pretty sure Sean Matile (UMaine) and Greg Dumont (Air Force?) were a few years after Hall arrived from BC, fresh off Steve "Count" Cedorchuck's scholarships fiasco at BC. :D

Technically, I suppose we could count Ed "Hamlet" Caron, who was torn between UNH and Yale for awhile at the turn of the century. Then again, the E-Train was probably the guy who single-handedly soured Coach Umile on transfers.
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I find all of these transfers really interesting, as on hockeydb.com, none of them are provided an affiliation for the year or two before arrival in Durham.

Todd Hall: 1994-95, 1995-96
Greg Dumont, 1995-96, 1996-97
Sean Matile, 1996-97, 1997-98, 1998-99
Ty Conkin, 1998-99, 1999-2000, 2000-2001

And, then Ed Caron, 2001-2002, 2003-2004. My recollection is that he was required to sit out at Yale in 2002-2003, before he returned to UNH; a very strange trajectory, indeed.

Not to belabor the UNH-Bentley game, especially on this thread, but Billy Eiserman, Shane's older bro, transferred to Bentley from UML before last season, and this will be his last year of college hockey.
 
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Snively65 said:
I find all of these transfers really interesting, as on hockeydb.com, none of them are provided an affiliation for the year or two before arrival in Durham.

Todd Hall: 1994-95, 1995-96
Greg Dumont, 1995-96, 1996-97
Sean Matile, 1996-97, 1997-98, 1998-99
Ty Conkin, 1998-99, 1999-2000, 2000-2001

And, then Ed Caron, 2001-2002, 2003-2004. My recollection is that he was required to sit out at Yale in 2002-2003, before he returned to UNH; a very strange trajectory, indeed.

Not to belabor the UNH-Bentley game, especially on this thread, but Billy Eiserman, Shane's older bro, transferred to Bentley from UML before last season, and this will be his last year of college hockey.
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... lest we forget, Justin Agosta decided to forego a final season of eligibility at UNH last year to transfer to the Q.

Perhaps the first official sign that the "barn door" to the UNH program was indeed wide open to poachers? :confused:
 
Chuck Murray said:
... lest we forget, Justin Agosta decided to forego a final season of eligibility at UNH last year to transfer to the Q.

Perhaps the first official sign that the "barn door" to the UNH program was indeed wide open to poachers? :confused:
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Good point, but there have been lots of other players who got redshirted their first year and did not get poached later. I guess that if a redshirted player develops well his next three years, as Agosta did, remaining disgruntled about the earlier slight should not be surprising.
 
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Chuck Murray said:
Pretty sure Ty Conklin (UAA) was the last transfer? Also I'm pretty sure Sean Matile (UMaine) and Greg Dumont (Air Force?) were a few years after Hall arrived from BC, fresh off Steve "Count" Cedorchuck's scholarships fiasco at BC. :D

Technically, I suppose we could count Ed "Hamlet" Caron, who was torn between UNH and Yale for awhile at the turn of the century. Then again, the E-Train was probably the guy who single-handedly soured Coach Umile on transfers.
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I believe Todd Hall is the last 'true' transfer UNH has had, in terms of playing for another NCAA institution before matriculating to UNH, as he played two seasons at BC before finishing his career in Durham.

Conklin & Matile never played at UAA or Maine, respectively. Conklin red-shirted at UAA before beginning his college career at UNH, while Matile sat out a season at Maine before sitting out a year and 10 or so games at UNH as a result of playing 10 major junior games prior to heading the NCAA route. Dumont was definitely at Air Force (arriving at UNH a year after Hall), but I don't know that he ever played there either. As Snively alluded to HockeyDB shows no AF statistics (the missing years for the others would be the various seasons they sat out due to NCAA transfer/MJ rules). Caron also never played a game for Yale, sitting out TWO transfer seasons in a row for his indecisiveness...
 
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NCAA watcher said:
I have my eye on Colin Grannary as a potential Foegele replacement.
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Would be a great pick-up. Would love to see UNH find a way to land both Conway (for 2016) & Grannary (for 2017) - checking your spreadsheet (and assuming UNH would add a transfer) is that even a possibility? Lost in all the hand-wringing about the defense and goaltending is the fact that only one forward line can consistently posses the puck in the offensive zone. If you play defense for 2/3 to 3/4 of the game, you're going to give up some goals...
 
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Dan said:
Conklin & Matile never played at UAA or Maine, respectively. Conklin red-shirted at UAA before beginning his college career at UNH, while Matile sat out a season at Maine before sitting out a year and 10 or so games at UNH as a result of playing 10 major junior games prior to heading the NCAA route.
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Conklin only was at Alaska for three weeks before going back to juniors, so the season had not started. Matile never got accepted at Maine, so enrolled at UNH for 95-96, sitting out his year at UNH.
 
Dan said:
I believe Todd Hall is the last 'true' transfer UNH has had, in terms of playing for another NCAA institution before matriculating to UNH, as he played two seasons at BC before finishing his career in Durham.

Conklin & Matile never played at UAA or Maine, respectively. Conklin red-shirted at UAA before beginning his college career at UNH, while Matile sat out a season at Maine before sitting out a year and 10 or so games at UNH as a result of playing 10 major junior games prior to heading the NCAA route. Dumont was definitely at Air Force (arriving at UNH a year after Hall), but I don't know that he ever played there either. As Snively alluded to HockeyDB shows no AF statistics (the missing years for the others would be the various seasons they sat out due to NCAA transfer/MJ rules). Caron also never played a game for Yale, sitting out TWO transfer seasons in a row for his indecisiveness...
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Mike Heinke? I am thinking his sit out year was 92-93
 
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I really do think it was the Caron saga that finally soured Coach Umile on incoming transfers. I'd heard that many moons ago from a reliable source (the same one who first told me about Umile's "lifetime contract") and it's held up since. Interesting, because there were so many different examples of the kids in Umile's first decade of running the program where he didn't hesitate to bring in kids who had spurned prior commitments or even left their prior programs. I'd forgotten about Heinke (interestingly a 3rd goalie with compromised eligibility) ... so that's roughly a half-dozen kids BC (Before Caron), and zero AC (After Caron).

Then again, two other changes roughly coincided with the Caron saga ... lead assistant/recruiter and AD.

Just saying ...
 
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Dan said:
That's right - Heinke transferred in from Providence a year ahead of Hall, which makes three transfers in three years with Heinke, Hall & Dumont. And not one true transfer in the 20 years since...:confused:

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=15979
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I think the Heinke transfer coincided with UNH's starting goalie Jeff Levy leaving the program to turn pro a couple of years earlier than expected? Also I do wonder - and this may be a stretch - whether it's possible Umile may have been involved in recruiting Heinke originally for Providence? I know it's not so unusual for recruiting to be several years out nowadays, but I don't recall it being such an advanced process back when Umile would still have been at PC in the late '80's? Anyone have any long-term insight into this one?? :confused:
 
Chuck Murray said:
I really do think it was the Caron saga that finally soured Coach Umile on incoming transfers. I'd heard that many moons ago from a reliable source (the same one who first told me about Umile's "lifetime contract") and it's held up since. Interesting, because there were so many different examples of the kids in Umile's first decade of running the program where he didn't hesitate to bring in kids who had spurned prior commitments or even left their prior programs. I'd forgotten about Heinke (interestingly a 3rd goalie with compromised eligibility) ... so that's roughly a half-dozen kids BC (Before Caron), and zero AC (After Caron).

Then again, two other changes roughly coincided with the Caron saga ... lead assistant/recruiter and AD.

Just saying ...
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My over/under was one week. I gave you too much credit.
 
Chuck Murray said:
I think the Heinke transfer coincided with UNH's starting goalie Jeff Levy leaving the program to turn pro a couple of years earlier than expected? Also I do wonder - and this may be a stretch - whether it's possible Umile may have been involved in recruiting Heinke originally for Providence? I know it's not so unusual for recruiting to be several years out nowadays, but I don't recall it being such an advanced process back when Umile would still have been at PC in the late '80's? Anyone have any long-term insight into this one?? :confused:
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Leaman is the first PC coach really willing to recruit in advance. Army seemed very reluctant to project future development and The Pooley era was the infancy of that practice.

The interesting thing is Heinke who was highly recruited probably played about 45% of the games splitting with senior Brad Mullahy. I believe he was not happy with that and most likely other things that added up. Still it must have caught McShane off guard as he had to recruit Bob Bell who due to age limits had only 3 years eligibility.

The other thing is Umilie took a player leaving his classmate's program. Also that Providence put no restrictions on his transfer unlike Bobby Goepfert 10 years later
 
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Dan said:
Would be a great pick-up. Would love to see UNH find a way to land both Conway (for 2016) & Grannary (for 2017) - checking your spreadsheet (and assuming UNH would add a transfer) is that even a possibility? Lost in all the hand-wringing about the defense and goaltending is the fact that only one forward line can consistently posses the puck in the offensive zone. If you play defense for 2/3 to 3/4 of the game, you're going to give up some goals...
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Not only do we have only a handful of forwards who can possess the puck, we have fewer than than that who understand their responsibilities when defending in their own zone. Wandering away from your man, too quick to try and jump on the puck, terrible spacing on breakouts, and this is occurring with players who have 2 or 3 years in the system. A few years ago I was disparaged by some when I called a former UNH captain out for his weaknesses as an assistant coach at another school. At the time I said that he was either recruiting the wrong players or, if the were the right players, he was unable to coach them when they arrived at school. It's the same with UNH today.
 
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