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UNH Men’s Hockey 22-23: the start of something new, or more of the same?

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“Score often”. Certainly not pretty but way to go!
Moose needed that game big time. And another great one for Damien, Chase and Sardo.

Sardo's behind the goal to Stevenson showed excellent playmaking! Sure it wasn't pretty but they found a way to win. Happy for Muszelik he certainly did need that game as I do not think he's played since Union.

Huge weekend for the froshies as Cafagna has his first multipoint game..LeClerc gets his 13th and TyMuz has 40 saves on the night. Just feels good to get the sweep over 2 top HE teams regardless of how they played.

But geeze...lots of work to do as that second period was not pretty. Mr HR and I were speculating they'd lose 6-2. Happy to be wrong...
 
Watch Sardo on every shift, that pass to the front of the goal appears to be his signature. Nice to see that second line produce like they did this weekend. Your 6-2 fear was justified by let’s just call it brending but not breaking.
 
Nice to see UNH find their way to another two HEA wins. All the way up to 10th in HEA, a point ahead of UVM and a point behind UMass Amherst although both of those other teams still have multiple games in hand on UNH. As the "Chestnut Hillbillies" would say back in the day ... "hang a banner!". In the process, though, it looks like feathers have been ruffled ...

You have no idea…about what this AD thinks about UNHs future prospects…none. And of course you'd make this political. Insulting to the purpose of the effort of this HC and his player featured.

First of all, on what lies ahead for UNH ... no kidding, none of us know for sure, Captain Obvious. But I need to know from you why it is wrong to speculate a bit, given what we know happened during the new AD's tenure with Men's Hockey at PU - or is it PC?!? Actually, either seems to fit just fine for me. If our new AD thinks one (1) winning year in 9 seasons in charge is "success" ... isn't that potentially relevant to how she may measure her current in situ Men's Hockey HC? Do you have a better means of prognosticating? Or is discussing what happens in the next 14 months with the future of UNH Hockey just an "out of bounds" topic we are not allowed to discuss or speculate about??

One thing I know for sure is I'm not going to be the slightest bit apologetic about being critical of Coach Fogarty with his bloviating propaganda regarding how "safe" things were in Beijing. I mean, even the kid seemed smart enough to keep his own "connections" with China at an arm's length, "never knew any Chinese until I came to Princeton" ... "grew up playing hockey all my life in Canada" ... "playing hockey after school for the country my Mom grew up in", etc. So he took some Mandarin, went overseas to pad his resume, and help his college hockey coach, I have zero issue with the kid, he's very clearly not "all in" with the whole China thing. But his coach ... saying "I've never felt more safe in any city than Beijing" ... jeezus, talk about chugging the Kool-Aid ... what a total, absolutely clueless boob (at best) or complicit CCP stooge (at worst).

Looking at those little kids learning hockey 4 or so years ago in Beijing ... and knowing what happened afterwards ... what if some of those kids growing up in the "safest city in the world" were unfortunate enough to be part of a household where someone got the Wuhan Flu in early '20, where the CCP authorities came around to seal the "infected" families in their small apartments to starve and die for the Communist "good"?!? To paraphrase what someone else on this board said very recently ... you have no idea. So if you want to defend the guy who's decided to vouch for the wonders of everyday life in Beijing when he arrives in his tidy little "exchange program" bubble from his PU soapbox, be my guest. You want to talk about folks who have "no idea", I give you Coach Ron Fogarty.

At this point I am 100% behind our players who are just trying to salvage something out of what has to be for them a difficult season. What happens to the coach is a big unknown at this point. It's like you want them to lose.

I've written about this a few times already, and I'll do it again now. I'm 99.99% with Dan on this, if it takes UNH tanking this season to get a fresh start with someone who is a proven winner ASAP, I'm increasingly IN. Unless this recent outbreak of mediocre hockey is a short step on the path to excellence, then this is fool's gold and nothing more. Yes, mediocre hockey is better than pathetic hockey (that was the first half of this season), but if we become satisfied with mediocre hockey, then that's what we'll get. And as someone who has followed UNH Hockey through its excellence in the '70's, the early '80's, and a good chunk of the '90's and the '00's, I'm not the slightest bit interested in mediocre hockey. And if the cost of that is an implosion at or near the end of the current coach's contract, then so be it. He's had plenty of time to fix it.

well I don't know why I bothered to respond to this in the first place. Just a woke clueless fan I guess.

You probably responded because I wrote something to challenge your view of things. That's the whole point, isn't it?
 
Watch Sardo on every shift, that pass to the front of the goal appears to be his signature. Nice to see that second line produce like they did this weekend. Your 6-2 fear was justified by let’s just call it brending but not breaking.
…and just looked at the box and see Sardo had a 3 point night…
 
I've written about this a few times already, and I'll do it again now. I'm 99.99% with Dan on this, if it takes UNH tanking this season to get a fresh start with someone who is a proven winner ASAP, I'm increasingly IN. Unless this recent outbreak of mediocre hockey is a short step on the path to excellence, then this is fool's gold and nothing more. Yes, mediocre hockey is better than pathetic hockey (that was the first half of this season), but if we become satisfied with mediocre hockey, then that's what we'll get. And as someone who has followed UNH Hockey through its excellence in the '70's, the early '80's, and a good chunk of the '90's and the '00's, I'm not the slightest bit interested in mediocre hockey. And if the cost of that is an implosion at or near the end of the current coach's contract, then so be it. He's had plenty of time to fix it.?

This right here spot on! My take is yes, we are 100% witnessing mediocre hockey. Last night, although a win, was ugly. We’ve beaten mediocre teams, playing in a mediocre league. And, yes he’s had plenty of time to fix HIS mess, but has only made it worse.
 
Let's be real about the weekend shall we? No doubt UNH grabbed a couple of wins that they really were fortunate to grab..but at least:

*they put up some goals (8)
*they received decent goal tending - esp from Muszelik
*they were opportunistic when they had to be- especially the Captain (2 goals in the span of a min...)
*Froshies led the way for the most part...continued to build on their experience which can only help

That said...defensively they were not good considering..and the lack of any SOG in an entire period goes without saying!

Pretty much echoing what fans are saying on social media..noone sugarcoating the situation...and neither am I. For the record...I am not willing to accept mediocre hockey. I think I've made my position quite clear this season how I feel about the coaching at 128 Main.

Onto the Ice Bus!!
 
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...it looks like feathers have been ruffled ...
Mission accomplished, eh?

...being critical of Coach Fogarty with his bloviating propaganda...You want to talk about folks who have "no idea", I give you Coach Ron Fogarty.
???

Please do NOT enlighten me. Thank you.

I'm 99.99% with Dan on this, if it takes UNH tanking this season to get a fresh start with someone who is a proven winner ASAP, I'm increasingly IN.
I am 100% OUT. Not a fan of tanking for any reason. Ever.
 
I do not think that college hockey players ever would agree to tanking, which is playing out at UNH now. By winning four of their last six HEA games, UNH has joined Maine and UVM in beating good HEA teams from earlier in the season, making all teams except for BU mediocre now, and likely knocking all but BU and maybe Yukon out of the NCAA’s. Of course, there is a chance that some HEA team could knock off BU in the HEA tournament for an auto-seed bid to the NCCA’s, even a MBPBEGAM team. UNH has five of their last six games at home, including two at home and one away against Yukon, which Chuck has assured us will choke as they have done in the past. So, call it mediocrity in HEA if you will, but at least there is some parity now, with the exception of BU. And, our homegrown kid from Brentwood is now tied for second in HEA for goals scored.
 
I am 100% OUT. Not a fan of tanking for any reason. Ever.

I'm not a fan of tanking myself, and to be clear, I'm not saying the UNH players are tanking OR should be tanking. Certainly Coach Souza has a vested interest in not tanking, as he's coaching for his future D-1 HC career at this point. To date, he hasn't accomplished a single thing, and if he doesn't accomplish something quickly, he's probably never going to get another chance at it. There is urgency there, and if he's been able to motivate his players to collect some W's by passing that urgency further down the line, then good for him. That's the fool's gold part of the equation, winning a few meaningless late RS games to (temporarily?) pull his team out of the basement.

MS7's pathway to real "success" is a very narrow one, and it probably involves a "respectable" RS finish that sees them eke into the 8th slot (one above the MBPBEGAM home ice cutoff line), and then emerge from the gauntlet that involves a winnable MBPBEGAM round, then somehow pull off an upset in the REAL league quarterfinals round - probably against either BU or Northeastern - and remind his program and its fans of a place known as the Boston Garden, which used to be a regular feature of the UNH program's seasons. And with the way the league has been, top to bottom, you somehow get to Boston with some momentum, anything goes. But getting there is crucial.

That of course ensures MS7 gets to coach the final year of his contract. UNH should NOT extend him for anything short of an HEA title/auto NCAA berth (at large ain't happening anyway). The strong finish MUST lead to an improved performance out on the recruiting front, and your graduating class (mediocrity incarnate) MUST be replaced by higher quality recruits, all of whom have the potential to skate on the top two lines/pairings by the time they are juniors (at the latest). You build on the momentum of a strong 2023 finish with a good start to next season, continue to parlay that momentum into better results, better recruits, etc. and suddenly you've demonstrated that maybe just maybe, you are the man to continue the job, and are deserving of an honest-to-goodness contract extension on the basis of actual merit.

Otherwise ... MS7 wins a few more meaningless games in the last six RS games against UConn, UMaine and UVM (and let's be honest, those are ALL winnable games, for varying reasons - UConn not playing for much at this point, and UMaine and UVM just aren't that good), but bows out of the post-season before Boston. No real momentum to take into the next season, no publicity bump from a strong postseason finish, and you're suddenly a "lame duck" HC where no one (besides your returning players) - and I mean your fans, and potentially more importantly your would-be recruiting targets - have any reason to expect the next year(s) to be any different than all the others where you've accomplished zip. Self-fulfilling prophecy in the end. But we have to wait longer, and the UNH program slips further into D-1 irrelevance, where it now resides.

There's a strong chance that UNH's recent "revitalization" has probably averted the "nuclear option" of firing MS7 and his staff a year early, which (unless there is a full-blown turnaround as outlined above, lurking below the surface) likely only serves to delay the timeline to a return to real relevancy by at least a year. Knowing what we've seen for the past 5-8 years, I've reluctantly come to the conclusion that I've seen enough, and losing a few meaningless games down the stretch (IF it gets us to the restart point) isn't tearing my heart out like it used to.

So maybe not "tanking" but for sure I'm under-enthusiastic about the overall value of some of these recent W's vis a vis the long-term interest in seeing the program return to national relevance.

And of course, if/when we do get to the restart, then it becomes incumbent on the AD to make the right hire(s) ...
 
I do not think that college hockey players ever would agree to tanking, which is playing out at UNH now. By winning four of their last six HEA games, UNH has joined Maine and UVM in beating good HEA teams from earlier in the season, making all teams except for BU mediocre now, and likely knocking all but BU and maybe Yukon out of the NCAA’s. Of course, there is a chance that some HEA team could knock off BU in the HEA tournament for an auto-seed bid to the NCCA’s, even a MBPBEGAM team. UNH has five of their last six games at home, including two at home and one away against Yukon, which Chuck has assured us will choke as they have done in the past. So, call it mediocrity in HEA if you will, but at least there is some parity now, with the exception of BU. And, our homegrown kid from Brentwood is now tied for second in HEA for goals scored.

"Choke" gives UConn WAY more relevance and respect than a program with their HEA record to date deserves. Making a run to one (1) HEA title game (and loss) as an underdog was playing with house money, and without the pressure of expectations weighing on them to trigger a "choke". Frankly, I'm not sure anything has changed a year later.

Having said that ... given the way Luce is wired, I wouldn't put it past him to do his old pal MS7 a solid and engineer a split next weekend, which keeps one of his potential future rival programs mired in mediocrity for at least another year, or (better yet) through another unlikely extension. Play the back-up goalie, rest a borderline injury or two, give the bottom 10 players on your depth chart more ice time than usual ... it can all be done, and maybe even get some low-key action down, now that out-of-state sports books are open just over the state line?

As you can see Snives ... my admiration of the man simply knows no bounds. ;-)
 
Welp, FWIW UNH moves out of the basement...for now as Providence beats UVM today. Tough weekend for Scott B's (not Scotty B) Warriors taking two OT losses this weekend losing to us and then to the BBears up in Orono...
 
I'm not a fan of tanking myself, and to be clear, I'm not saying the UNH players are tanking OR should be tanking. Certainly Coach Souza has a vested interest in not tanking, as he's coaching for his future D-1 HC career at this point. To date, he hasn't accomplished a single thing, and if he doesn't accomplish something quickly, he's probably never going to get another chance at it. There is urgency there, and if he's been able to motivate his players to collect some W's by passing that urgency further down the line, then good for him. That's the fool's gold part of the equation, winning a few meaningless late RS games to (temporarily?) pull his team out of the basement.

MS7's pathway to real "success" is a very narrow one, and it probably involves a "respectable" RS finish that sees them eke into the 8th slot (one above the MBPBEGAM home ice cutoff line), and then emerge from the gauntlet that involves a winnable MBPBEGAM round, then somehow pull off an upset in the REAL league quarterfinals round - probably against either BU or Northeastern - and remind his program and its fans of a place known as the Boston Garden, which used to be a regular feature of the UNH program's seasons. And with the way the league has been, top to bottom, you somehow get to Boston with some momentum, anything goes. But getting there is crucial.

That of course ensures MS7 gets to coach the final year of his contract. UNH should NOT extend him for anything short of an HEA title/auto NCAA berth (at large ain't happening anyway). The strong finish MUST lead to an improved performance out on the recruiting front, and your graduating class (mediocrity incarnate) MUST be replaced by higher quality recruits, all of whom have the potential to skate on the top two lines/pairings by the time they are juniors (at the latest). You build on the momentum of a strong 2023 finish with a good start to next season, continue to parlay that momentum into better results, better recruits, etc. and suddenly you've demonstrated that maybe just maybe, you are the man to continue the job, and are deserving of an honest-to-goodness contract extension on the basis of actual merit.

Otherwise ... MS7 wins a few more meaningless games in the last six RS games against UConn, UMaine and UVM (and let's be honest, those are ALL winnable games, for varying reasons - UConn not playing for much at this point, and UMaine and UVM just aren't that good), but bows out of the post-season before Boston. No real momentum to take into the next season, no publicity bump from a strong postseason finish, and you're suddenly a "lame duck" HC where no one (besides your returning players) - and I mean your fans, and potentially more importantly your would-be recruiting targets - have any reason to expect the next year(s) to be any different than all the others where you've accomplished zip. Self-fulfilling prophecy in the end. But we have to wait longer, and the UNH program slips further into D-1 irrelevance, where it now resides.

There's a strong chance that UNH's recent "revitalization" has probably averted the "nuclear option" of firing MS7 and his staff a year early, which (unless there is a full-blown turnaround as outlined above, lurking below the surface) likely only serves to delay the timeline to a return to real relevancy by at least a year. Knowing what we've seen for the past 5-8 years, I've reluctantly come to the conclusion that I've seen enough, and losing a few meaningless games down the stretch (IF it gets us to the restart point) isn't tearing my heart out like it used to.

So maybe not "tanking" but for sure I'm under-enthusiastic about the overall value of some of these recent W's vis a vis the long-term interest in seeing the program return to national relevance.

And of course, if/when we do get to the restart, then it becomes incumbent on the AD to make the right hire(s) ...

So, I gather that you would not be a fan of our Captain and Senior Goalie returning for their “Covid years”? And maybe our Captain could return for two more years, as he played in only four games his sophomore year, which might qualify as a red shirt? One more goal and our Captain joins a small exclusive group of double-digit goal scorers over the past few years.

Or course, there could be more Div 3 graduates looking to play their Covid year in Durham, too. This team has avoided hitting rock bottom by not breaking the mid-1980s least wins record, and likely will win a double-digit number of games this season. I agree that all the last six games are winnable. Maybe I will even make the long road trip to Durham to catch a Maine game, which would be a first for me in three years.
 
UConn not playing for much at this point
After this weekend's results UConn is very much playing for quarterfinal home ice. They can reach 49 points and after poor weekends both UML and Merrimack can only reach 51 points. However, they play 2 games vs each other, so only one can reach even 49 points and it's possible neither does.

Sean
 
So, I gather that you would not be a fan of our Captain and Senior Goalie returning for their “Covid years”? And maybe our Captain could return for two more years, as he played in only four games his sophomore year, which might qualify as a red shirt? One more goal and our Captain joins a small exclusive group of double-digit goal scorers over the past few years.

Or course, there could be more Div 3 graduates looking to play their Covid year in Durham, too. This team has avoided hitting rock bottom by not breaking the mid-1980s least wins record, and likely will win a double-digit number of games this season. I agree that all the last six games are winnable. Maybe I will even make the long road trip to Durham to catch a Maine game, which would be a first for me in three years.

Snives hit me up for a ticket; I usually have an extra as Mr. HR is busy working his Robotics season right now and can't make many/any games...let me know..And, not to hijack your post to Chuck, but, I'd love to see the Captain back for another season...not thrilled with is inopportune trips to the box, but..

Ps as to your point regarding UNH's record (and I know this doesn't matter for jack when all's said and done but worth noting somehow) this team has lost 6 games by one goal...3 in OT and 1 shootout.
 
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After this weekend's results UConn is very much playing for quarterfinal home ice. They can reach 49 points and after poor weekends both UML and Merrimack can only reach 51 points. However, they play 2 games vs each other, so only one can reach even 49 points and it's possible neither does.

Sean

Like I said ... they're not playing for much. "Let's go boys, we need these games to clinch home ice for the quarters!!" isn't exactly a rallying cry to get your kids jumping out of the blocks. Most of the kids probably forget that message halfway between the locker room and the ice sheet in the lead-up to pregame. In the meantime, a skillful and emotional pitch down the hallway in the other locker room can focus the next batch of games as potentially the last meaningful games any of the other team are likely ever to play. And with a recent outbreak of W's, such a message runs a decent chance of landing on fertile ground, and not sounding trite. I know which pep talk I'd rather be giving ...

... and Snives, if I'm cherry-picking the top two seniors with options for next year, Stevenson probably makes sense, but Fessenden only makes sense if Mucinex doesn't get his act together down the stretch, AND if the next new guy in the pipeline is indeed no longer incoming. Robinson made sense in a similar situation only because the other options didn't pan out, too. Someday when UNH is relevant again, guys like those are helpful depth players maybe, not key cogs in a successful, contending program.
 
Ps as to your point regarding UNH's record (and I know this doesn't matter for jack when all's said and done but worth noting somehow) this team has lost 6 games by one goal...3 in OT and 1 shootout.

Like you said, it doesn't matter for jack. :-D Besides, D-1 Hockey is a low scoring game, and one goal losses in regulation are actually relatively rare, since probably at least half of those either bump out to 2 or 3 goal regulation losses due to ENG(s) or end up being decided in overtime due to a late equalizer with the goalie pulled. At the NHL level, 2 goal losses are increasingly turning into 3 goal losses for the same reasons, as the old blueprint to hold off on pulling the goalie in the final minute, and only when down by a single goal (in regular season play), has given way to coaches willing to pull their goalies earlier, especially if they are down by two goals. Gotta love advanced analytics (*gag*), but I would love to see D-1 or NHL stats on what I presume has been a significant upturn in RS ENG's at both of those levels in recent seasons.

EDIT: Found this data-driven item, which confirms the trend of more NHL ENG's over the last decade or so ...

Data Dump: NHL goal scoring is up - Sound Of Hockey
 
D-1 Hockey is a low scoring game, and one goal losses in regulation are actually relatively rare, since probably at least half of those either bump out to 2 or 3 goal regulation losses due to ENG(s) or end up being decided in overtime due to a late equalizer with the goalie pulled.
I've only compiled the first third of the games from this season, but since the start of 2018 through what I have for this season 28.6% of all games (3,368) that ended in regulation were 1 goal games. Another 11.5% were 1 goal games until an empty net goal was scored, while 5.2% of the games were tied up.

Sean
 
Page 3? What the heck...Anyway...some positive press for the 'Cats:

Chase Stevenson named HE Player of the Week / Damien Carfagna named Defender of the Week
 
After NU Huskies win in Beanpot tonight, UNH drops to third or fourth best HEA record (5-2-0) since 1 January 2023 depending how one counts ties (% wins or total points); BU (8-2), NU (6-2), and UML (5-2-1). First 21 games of season for UNH should just count as practice.
 
Next Monday, the all-too-often Beanpot Consolation foes will lace 'em up for the first time in 71 years with the big trophy on the line. Yet another sign that Hockey East just ain't what it used to be ...
 
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