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UNH Hockey 2023-2024 Season Thread - End Of The Cellar-Dweller Era??

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Thanks for beating me to this one, TS93. As a Durham townie, I had lots of friends who played on the ORHS hockey team while growing up. My family could not afford the equipment, but I also do not think that they relished the idea of driving me to practice at 5 in the morning either, so maybe the equipment cost was just an excuse. :-)

What I found interesting is that Berlin/Gorham now plays in Div 3, where they also won this year (ORHS won in Div 2), whereas back in the day Berlin, without Gorham, was the Div 1 powerhouse hockey team in Cow Hampsha, having now won 33 state championships total.

33 championships is impressive. What caused the relegation to division 3, I’m curious?

Saw some really great OR teams lose championships between ‘05-12. Still stings! That school oughta have a little more hardware, that’s for certain.
 
33 championships is impressive. What caused the relegation to division 3, I’m curious?

Saw some really great OR teams lose championships between ‘05-12. Still stings! That school oughta have a little more hardware, that’s for certain.
Berlin has a very heavy french canadian influence. For many many years other high school programs in NH simply could not compete with them. They won the state title year after year after year. Once the bigger high schools such as Manchester started playing hockey Berlin began to slip in comparison. Red Gendron's old stomping ground
 
As a baseline here norbie, we are in agreement with the most important bit, which is that MS7 is coaching to preserve his job and his future D-1 head coaching career. As things now stand, if this all does not work out to net him an extension here at his alma mater, there will not be a long line for his services elsewhere in the D-1 world. His recent "charm offensive" and reliance on his network of media pals speaks to this. More on that later. Now to the questions ...

1. Is 20 wins so important you play the #1 goalie in HE tonight?

Yes, for several reasons. If he's gonna get this team to Boston and/or put them in position to sneak into the NCAA's as the #15 or #16 seed, there are no more wins that can possibly be squandered. This is exactly why some of us were so agitated by losses to West Point, Merrimack, UConn and UVM. That was your cushion. Now, not only is there no cushion, but your opponents for those last few slots have those cushions. Everything is on the line, every time you play, from here on out. Momentum is enormous. There is zero margin for error (see cushion above).

So, let's take your suggestion, and MS7 plays Mucinex last night in goal. He is not Hellsten. UNH players know this, better than anyone else. Every way they may consciously OR subconsciously alter their games to adjust to him as opposed to Hellsten ... that changes the game. Let's say Mucinex allows a soft early goal to give the visitors a 1-0 lead. Whole different game, mon ami. Butterfly effect, on steroids. Maybe you still win the game ... but maybe you don't? is it worth taking that chance, screwing up good positive momentum, just to give minutes to what has been a disappointing back-up goalie who has a foot-and-a-half in the transfer portal already?!? Pass.

I'll also address the whole "rest and injuries" issue here. On "rest" ... rest from what? Playing 3 games in 6 days?? They just had 5 days off in between BC Game #2 and UML Game #1. I think these young guys can handle it, and "managing workload" seems a silly complication that comes from overthinking the situation. As far as "injuries" go ... those go with the territory, I'm afraid. Why go halfway, then - send out the entire UNH Club Hockey team instead ... talk about making dreams come true for kids out of the spotlight AND avoiding injuries, right???

2. Can you set expectations low for Wednesday after the back to back shutouts?

If MS7 is properly messaging his team - and from what I've seen, he has them absolutely on point right now - then they know there is no room for error, and the last two wins mean nothing if there is not another win on Wednesday. His team has physically dominated UML (can't believe I'm writing that), and given them no reason to hold out any hope for Wednesday night's game either. The MBPBEGAM game could (should?) be over the minute UNH's first goal hits the twine in the first period midweek. Lowell's kids are just waiting for their season to end, and can't be looking forward to getting trucked physically AND on the scoreboard yet again. Your kids have given UML no reason for hope Wednesday, they ran the first string goalie out on Friday night, and they hit his back-up for four more on Saturday night. If UNH loses this one, MS7 should be fired at center ice 30 seconds after he shakes Bazin's hand at the end of the handshake line (and begs him for an assistant's position).

3. When the MBPBEGAM game is done, can you maintain composure and not get bounced Saturday?

So this is the beautiful thing ... I will bet my bottom dollar, and my entire 401K that MS7 has held up the likelihood of a UMaine rematch for his team as soon as the BC series was over, and a MBPBEGAM bye and QF home ice were realistically out of reach. He told his guys to imagine the UML kids were UMaine this weekend (and midweek), and practice the same physical play and intensity they brought to "White Out" weekend. They did exactly that, and they are now starting to believe they have the formula to go up into a place like Alfond and lay the lumber to the #3 seed. MS7 has a settled line-up, has been rolling four lines, and his defense has stifled UML after doing a decent job against BC. They can be the first UNH team in my 40+ year memory properly equipped to go up to Orono, and physically dominate UMaine in a winner-take-all contest. So my theory is, UNH has been prepping for UMaine in Orono for a while now, and while they may not win ... I'll admit I like their chances.

That game would accomplish the following: (1) 21 wins for a team picked to finish 10th in HEA this season; (2) punch UNH's ticket for a trip to Boston and the HEA semis for the first time in almost a decade, (3) keep UNH's chances for an NCAA invite very much alive and well, possibly even needing "only" a win in the HEA Semis to get there ... and (4) a road QF playoff win in Orono virtually cements MS7's job for the rest of the current roster's time in Durham together. The group motivation factor could not be better, nor the focus any simpler. Just win (at least) the next two games.

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Now let me round back to Souza's recent "charm offensive" and reliance on his network of media pals to publicly campaign for his job ... if this has been available to MS7 for the last several years (basically, the length of his HC tenure at UNH), and he has only chosen to use these things when his own skin was on the line ... shame on him for not realizing these are things that could have helped him gain positive exposure for his team and for his recruiting WAY earlier in his tenure. I'm sure lots of D-1 prospects growing up all across New England regularly watch the B's, and it's now only within the last week or so that they've been introduced to this pal of Jack & Brick's from up in UNH, who seems charming, but has somehow escaped their Boston-centric radar up until now?!? What a great way of introducing yourself to these until-now inaccessible kids, shielded by their advisors, and giving them a reason to add UNH to their list of potential options, no?!?!? And all it took was to call in a favor or two from some of your fellow alums, and show up for a game to pitch the program between periods in the middle of the winter?????

Obviously, stuff like that was something Coach Umile couldn't have been bothered with when he was riding high, but there's no reason MS7 can't do this regularly going forward. It's something Walshy would have had at the top of his list, I'm sure. Luce himself is probably ****ed he hasn't done it yet (unless of course he has?). But ... if this has been out there, available all this time ... why has he waited until now to do it?

So Mike ... if you're reading (and I hope you are) ... the only way you prove to us that all this extra chasing around hasn't been just to save your skin, but is a sign that you will be doing a LOT more of this low-hanging fruit (and free) PR work for the program that extended you in the future, you will need to continue to do this stuff. If that means delaying your family vacation so you can become a semi-regular guest analyst on NESN's Stanley Cup playoffs coverage (for example), you just do it, and build your profile AND UNH's profile. Because if it turns out this "charm offensive" was all a one-shot, just-for-me proposition, there are some of us who will call you on it in the future. Repeatedly.

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Predictions:

* UNH wins comfortably on Wednesday, scoring early, and shutting out Lowell 4-0 for a 3rd straight time;
* UNH shocks the HEA world (and long time "Mildcat" fans), and beats the bag outta UMaine at Alfond next weekend;
* UNH loses to BU or BC in the HEA Semis, misses the NCAA's, but finishes with 21 wins and the trip to Boston;
* MS7 gets an extension, learns from his close call with professional mortality, and becomes BFF's with Charlie Moore

Remind me again what MPBEGAM stands for Chuck. All I can come up with is:

M-Make
B-Believe
P-Playoff
B-?
E-?
G-Game
A-?
M-?
 
Berlin has a very heavy french canadian influence. For many many years other high school programs in NH simply could not compete with them. They won the state title year after year after year. Once the bigger high schools such as Manchester started playing hockey Berlin began to slip in comparison. Red Gendron's old stomping ground

Don't forget -- Back in the day, Berlin was a major paper pulp producer and even had a couple of footwear factories (I believe Converse was one of them). They had three ice arenas in the '70's.
As soon as factory work and and the paper mills shut down, workers and their families left town. I don't have all the figures, but I believe Berlin's population is now less than half it was 40 or so years ago, which puts a crimp on the quantity of athletes at the high school level. That's why they're a D-3 school rather than a D-1.
 
Don't forget -- Back in the day, Berlin was a major paper pulp producer and even had a couple of footwear factories (I believe Converse was one of them). They had three ice arenas in the '70's.
As soon as factory work and and the paper mills shut down, workers and their families left town. I don't have all the figures, but I believe Berlin's population is now less than half it was 40 or so years ago, which puts a crimp on the quantity of athletes at the high school level. That's why they're a D-3 school rather than a D-1.

I played field hockey up there (littleton high school) and we would just about puke due to the paper mill smell! No wonder they always beat us up there. Have to admire
those Berlin teams even now..the current field hockey coach's daughter married a UNH hockey alum Matt Dawson (I think I mentioned I met him this Fall as they were in the
finals (again). Like MS7 said, 'they meet their wives at UNH' which is what happened lol.

Imagine my surprise...they go to alot of UNH hockey games so I see them quite
frequently there (but never Matt...). Anyway...small world. Even despite the changes in economics, that little high school still puts out a decent field hockey team and
their hockey team, which has Gorham athletes, won the D3 state title over the weekend...

If you get up there do check out 'Mary's Pizza' as its incredible...
 
33 championships is impressive. What caused the relegation to division 3, I’m curious?

Saw some really great OR teams lose championships between ‘05-12. Still stings! That school oughta have a little more hardware, that’s for certain.

ORHS always has been primarily a soccer school, and produced a great collegiate soccer coach in Marc Hubbard, who led ORHS to consecutive NH Class 1 soccer championships before attending Colgate and then raising soccer to become one of most successful sports at UNH, with seven straight NCAA’s, four America East championships, and a 115-32-21 record before he left for NC State this past December after losing to Clemson in the Sweet 16.

Agree with everything written above about Berlin’s recent history, especially HR’s take on Mary’s Pizza, voted best pizza in NH for 2016 and 2018. Location is actually at the northern end of Gorham off Rte 16 on Cascade Flats.
 
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Don't forget -- Back in the day, Berlin was a major paper pulp producer and even had a couple of footwear factories (I believe Converse was one of them). They had three ice arenas in the '70's.
As soon as factory work and and the paper mills shut down, workers and their families left town. I don't have all the figures, but I believe Berlin's population is now less than half it was 40 or so years ago, which puts a crimp on the quantity of athletes at the high school level. That's why they're a D-3 school rather than a D-1.

Scott's got all of the background right. Direct answer on why Berlin HS is now D-3 instead of D-1 is simply down to a decline in enrollment per NHIAA guidelines. There are some schools that ride the line between D-1 and D-2, then D-2 and D-3, and finally D-3 and D-4, so you do see a fair amount of migration of programs over the course of time. Enrollment can vary due to any number of reasons, including the emergence of new high school districts. Big example further down south was when Bedford opened their own high school, enrollment in Manchester West fell off a cliff. I think both are D-1 now because Bedford draws from other smaller surrounding towns, and realignment of student distribution with the Manchester schools (Central, Memorial, West, etc.) kept a relatively new West facility from shuttering.

Smaller example, in the middle of nowhere, about a decade or so ago, I coached a D-4 program for a few years, and every two years there was a reshuffle. At D-4 you'd see some programs move up to D-3, some move down from D-3, and others would just appear/disappear due to interest or enrollment issues. When my AD hired me, he told me they were a volleyball school, and had a 50 game losing streak in soccer, with only six returning players as of the preceding Spring. His expectation was high that they'd fold the program if I didn't generate enough interest over the summer. Worked my tail off to get to 15 players in time for the Fall - which included several girls (there was no separate Girls Soccer program), but with my Club experience being mostly on the Girls side, we were able to pull it off, and we broke the 50 game losing streak that Fall against their main bordering rival, so Year Two we were up to almost 20 players - this time almost even-steven with 10 boys/10 girls, and started a JV program that allowed kids otherwise buried on the bench to gradually learn to play. Year Three was supposed to be the separation of Boys and Girls teams, as we were approaching a 30 player pool (which was a huge number of the non-volleyball kids at a very small school), but the AD's significant other (Special Ed teacher) glommed onto the idea of creating a Unified team instead of a Girls team, against my plans, and the Girls felt very betrayed, which pretty much dismantled a huge chunk of the progress we'd made in building something out of nothing.

School was a 50 minute drive (each way) from Effingwoods, so after Year Three's setback, I fell out with the AD (who otherwise was a really nice guy, but under the influence of "home cooking") and gave him another year as a volunteer assistant before leaving altogether. I've never had a losing season at Club or Town Travel level, before or since, and I never came close to a winning season at this place, yet it was probably the best coaching job I've ever done under the circumstances. The school never won another NHIAA Varsity game for four seasons after I left, and then they eventually confirmed the AD's earlier prophecy, and dropped the sport altogether. Now any kids playing soccer play for the rival school, which has more often than not migrated to D-3 because my old school's enrollment gets rolled into the rival school's numbers now.

Effingwoods borders on an NHIAA D-1 district, so I've seen the highest highs and lowest lows of interscholastic athletics, and the differences were (are) stark. It was an eye-opener, and rounded out my overall coaching life experience. Folks who can pull it off at the low end have my utmost respect, as things like booster clubs and feeder programs are usually non-existent, or serve only the school's highlighted sport if they do exist. Maybe I'll give it another shot in a few years after I retire from the day job, and see if I can finish the job, with extra time to do it?

Sorry for the detour, folks ...
 
Scott's got all of the background right. Direct answer on why Berlin HS is now D-3 instead of D-1 is simply down to a decline in enrollment per NHIAA guidelines. There are some schools that ride the line between D-1 and D-2, then D-2 and D-3, and finally D-3 and D-4, so you do see a fair amount of migration of programs over the course of time. Enrollment can vary due to any number of reasons, including the emergence of new high school districts. Big example further down south was when Bedford opened their own high school, enrollment in Manchester West fell off a cliff. I think both are D-1 now because Bedford draws from other smaller surrounding towns, and realignment of student distribution with the Manchester schools (Central, Memorial, West, etc.) kept a relatively new West facility from shuttering.

Smaller example, in the middle of nowhere, about a decade or so ago, I coached a D-4 program for a few years, and every two years there was a reshuffle. At D-4 you'd see some programs move up to D-3, some move down from D-3, and others would just appear/disappear due to interest or enrollment issues. When my AD hired me, he told me they were a volleyball school, and had a 50 game losing streak in soccer, with only six returning players as of the preceding Spring. His expectation was high that they'd fold the program if I didn't generate enough interest over the summer. Worked my tail off to get to 15 players in time for the Fall - which included several girls (there was no separate Girls Soccer program), but with my Club experience being mostly on the Girls side, we were able to pull it off, and we broke the 50 game losing streak that Fall against their main bordering rival, so Year Two we were up to almost 20 players - this time almost even-steven with 10 boys/10 girls, and started a JV program that allowed kids otherwise buried on the bench to gradually learn to play. Year Three was supposed to be the separation of Boys and Girls teams, as we were approaching a 30 player pool (which was a huge number of the non-volleyball kids at a very small school), but the AD's significant other (Special Ed teacher) glommed onto the idea of creating a Unified team instead of a Girls team, against my plans, and the Girls felt very betrayed, which pretty much dismantled a huge chunk of the progress we'd made in building something out of nothing.

School was a 50 minute drive (each way) from Effingwoods, so after Year Three's setback, I fell out with the AD (who otherwise was a really nice guy, but under the influence of "home cooking") and gave him another year as a volunteer assistant before leaving altogether. I've never had a losing season at Club or Town Travel level, before or since, and I never came close to a winning season at this place, yet it was probably the best coaching job I've ever done under the circumstances. The school never won another NHIAA Varsity game for four seasons after I left, and then they eventually confirmed the AD's earlier prophecy, and dropped the sport altogether. Now any kids playing soccer play for the rival school, which has more often than not migrated to D-3 because my old school's enrollment gets rolled into the rival school's numbers now.

Effingwoods borders on an NHIAA D-1 district, so I've seen the highest highs and lowest lows of interscholastic athletics, and the differences were (are) stark. It was an eye-opener, and rounded out my overall coaching life experience. Folks who can pull it off at the low end have my utmost respect, as things like booster clubs and feeder programs are usually non-existent, or serve only the school's highlighted sport if they do exist. Maybe I'll give it another shot in a few years after I retire from the day job, and see if I can finish the job, with extra time to do it?

Sorry for the detour, folks ...

Maine is actually thinking about using a promotion/relegation system instead of basing divisions on enrollment, which I think would be a huge improvement. It’s really sad how much participation is down compared to back in the day. Some of it is obviously fewer kids but a much bigger factor is less interest.
 
Maine is actually thinking about using a promotion/relegation system instead of basing divisions on enrollment, which I think would be a huge improvement. It's really sad how much participation is down compared to back in the day. Some of it is obviously fewer kids but a much bigger factor is less interest.

Interesting. I will say, one of the more surprising things I discovered during my long-ago D-4 expedition was the role that rural poverty plays in turnout for some of these small, far-removed school programs. I vividly remember losing players on the roster after preseason, when classes started, and some of the kids had to make really hard decisions to put their families first, and work one or two jobs to supplement their family's income, as opposed to having the "luxury" of competing in interscholastic sports. One kid had a morning delivery job, then would go to classes, and afterwards he'd put in a 4-6 hour shift in the supermarket a couple of towns over. Any time/energy he had left would be saved for him to do homework. I offered to do what I could to help him with his homework on the long bus rides to road games, and to give him some flexibility on attendance at practice. But he was virtually his family's sole breadwinner, with a single parent household and other younger kids to feed. In the end, something had to give, and it was school sports that was cut out to make everything else work. Those kids grow up fast, and really have no choice. I've gotta think it's no different in rural parts of NH, than it is to most of Maine and Vermont, too.
 
Except Bazin will have his boys ready and Souza will assume two wins means a third

I'm the one who predicted UML would not get swept by UNH this past weekend. "Because Bazin". Unless Bazin's master plan was to roll out a team that couldn't shoot, could barely defend, and couldn't handle UNH's physical play, and "play possum" so they could sneak up on UNH in the MBPBEGAM round ... this is not your father's UML team. I'm not sure what happened to them this year, but they are a mess. Speed bump.
 
ORHS always has been primarily a soccer school, and produced a great collegiate soccer coach in Marc Hubbard, who led ORHS to consecutive NH Class 1 soccer championships before attending Colgate and then raising soccer to become one of most successful sports at UNH, with seven straight NCAA’s, four America East championships, and a 115-32-21 record before he left for NC State this past December after losing to Clemson in the Sweet 16.

Agree with everything written above about Berlin’s recent history, especially HR’s take on Mary’s Pizza, voted best pizza in HH for 2016 and 2018. Location is actually at the northern end of Gorham off Rte 16 on Cascade Flats.

I should correct myself and say ORHS Hockey should have a few more in the trophy case opposed to the entire school. We always excelled in Soccer and if I recall Girls Volleyball as well (in my academic tenure). I know of Marc Hubbard but not all of that about his recent success! Too bad he moved on.
 
Thank you. Too funny.

If I have this right UNH would be playing Maine anyway in the old system of 1v8 2v7 3v6 and 4v5. Istead UNH has to thump UML again in order to advance.

Also the other big difference maker is that MS7 and his team have a much better chance of reaching 20 wins now with the additional MBPBEGAM game.
 

So e.cat got an early prediction for tomorrow? Need a W here obviously. Am prepared to lose to Maine but not...the Ospreys!

UML has thwarted our playoff hopes in the past...most notably in 2013 and the last was a when HE was a 'real tournament' in '17 with an 8-2 thumping...So these guys just have to go away tomorrow.

Expecting a battle and a chippy game...
 
So e.cat got an early prediction for tomorrow? Need a W here obviously. Am prepared to lose to Maine but not...the Ospreys!

UML has thwarted our playoff hopes in the past...most notably in 2013 and the last was a when HE was a 'real tournament' in '17 with an 8-2 thumping...So these guys just have to go away tomorrow.

Expecting a battle and a chippy game...

I predict a UNH dub
 
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