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UNH Hockey 2023-2024 Season Thread - End Of The Cellar-Dweller Era??

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Chuck Murray said:
If MS7 had accomplished a small fraction of what Barr has accomplished in their respective careers, you might have a point. Also, Barr was recently extended in the middle of his deal for exceeding expectations at UMaine ... Souza is literally running out the final weeks of his deal, no extension to date, and IF he's extended, I'd bet next year's salary that he's not gonna be getting $500K per. Or anything close to that much.

IF UNH goes shopping for a replacement, they're probably focusing on a hire that's a current D-1 assistant, or HC somewhere in the juniors, and any of those guys will likely be at least doubling their salary to come to UNH, meaning he'd probably be making around what the current HC is making. IF UNH does what UMass did and hires a HC from another school, that will probably raise the price of poker, but probably to something around $400K (just under Barr) as opposed to $500K. Having said that ... if they got the right guy, and it took $500K to get him out of current successful employment to transform the UNH program to former levels of success, then count me in.

In other news ... UNH Hoops finished its first season under Coach Davis with a 16-15 record, and came up just short in the AE Semifinals last night at UVM. UNH Men's Hoops still has yet to advance to a conference Finals in its history (hard to believe), and there won't be any NCAA bid this year either. But if we're grading to scale, this is a good start for the new guy, and a reminder to the AD that sometimes change can be good.

UNH men's basketball team goes cold, is ousted at Vermont | College Sports | unionleader.com
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My guess is an extension would be at the same salary.
https://tnhdigital.com/23164/news/h...lege-of-liberal-arts-enrichment-vs-academics/

Pretty much the same results as with the prior BB coach, no?
 
Snively65 said:
I watched all nine of our games on NESN this season, but going to my first in-person UNH game tonight (thanks for your hubby’s ticket, HR), but I rarely sit in a seat, rather I like to stand in the top row adjacent to the band. :-)
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See you there! Have a funnyish story to tell you about these tickets when I see you. Go 'Cats Go! I normally go to the other end in the 2nd to watch our offense..easy to
cat call from there hahaha
 
Darius said:
Pretty much the same results as with the prior BB coach, no?
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2022-23
Coach Bill Herrion
Salary $183,000
Overall record 15-15
America East record 9-7
Seeded third
Lost in semi finals

2023-24
Coach Nathan Davis
Salary $250,000
Overall record 16-15
America East record 7-9
Seeded fourth
Lost in semi finals
 
Felger said:
2022-23
Coach Bill Herrion
Salary $183,000
Overall record 15-15
America East record 9-7
Seeded third
Lost in semi finals

2023-24
Coach Nathan Davis
Salary $250,000
Overall record 16-15
America East record 7-9
Seeded fourth
Lost in semi finals
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I think a little context is in order. To basically be the same as the last guy (in year whatever) in year one seems like a good start. Particularly when you consider UNH's, ahem, stellar history in B-Ball. Now you want improvement in years 2 and 3 as the new coach has more time to recruit "his guys" to the program.
 
Gameday!! Last game at the Whitt of the season. Go CATS! I expect they handle Lowell pretty easily. Season will be on the line Saturday.
 
HockeyRef said:
(It was also pointed out that MS7 runs the PP for those who wondered in other posts)
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UGH!

That is something that makes me want to have a new coach more not less.

This teams Power Play is a train wreck. They score on individual plays not based on scheme. They aren't improving either, more the other way around, getting worse.
 
Side Note: on consistency or not improving - you can pick

UNH has played 34 games this year (excluding the exhibition). So it is reasonable to break the season into 7 game chunks, each 20% of the season. [TABLE="border: 1, cellpadding: 1, width: 500"]
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[TD]Record[/TD]
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[TD]40% (games 8-14)[/TD]
[TD]4-3[/TD]
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[TD]60% (games 15-21)[/TD]
[TD]4-3[/TD]
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[TD]80% (games 22-28)[/TD]
[TD]4-3[/TD]
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[TD]100% (games 29-34)[/TD]
[TD]3-3[/TD]
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longest winning streak 3 games
longest losing streak 2 games
 
JB said:
I think a little context is in order. To basically be the same as the last guy (in year whatever) in year one seems like a good start. Particularly when you consider UNH's, ahem, stellar history in B-Ball. Now you want improvement in years 2 and 3 as the new coach has more time to recruit "his guys" to the program.
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That's fair. However the narrative on Davis at Bucknell was that he had more success with the guys from the prior coaching staff than with the ones he brought in later. And when he got to UNH, low and behold, he found the conference Player of the Year leftover from the previous coach. To the new staff's credit, they kept Daniels in Durham after he was in the portal. So we will see how recruiting plays out going forward.

I really like what the AD did in upgrading the assistant coaches and the out of conference schedule.

So I guess Souza's replacement next year only has to finish seventh in Hockey East?
 
JB said:
I think a little context is in order. To basically be the same as the last guy (in year whatever) in year one seems like a good start. Particularly when you consider UNH's, ahem, stellar history in B-Ball. Now you want improvement in years 2 and 3 as the new coach has more time to recruit "his guys" to the program.
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New coach has a 3 star recruit committed from Brewster Academy (NH). Caleb Middleton is 6'11" and from NH. UNH hoops and '3 stars' are not usually uttered together in the same sentence.
 
Mildcat said:
New coach has a 3 star recruit committed from Brewster Academy (NH). Caleb Middleton is 6'11" and from NH. UNH hoops and '3 stars' are not usually uttered together in the same sentence.
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Good to hear. Brewster Academy has turned out some good basketball prospects.
 
Felger said:
So I guess Souza's replacement next year only has to finish seventh in Hockey East?
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I think it is reasonable to step back before leaping forward.
Genderon 2017-2020 - .526%, .472%, .603%, (note: lots of ties in Genderon's 7 years - high water mark for wins was 18, twice)

Barr 2021-2024 - .273%, .486%, .676% (22 wins in year 3 and counting)​


You are replacing the coach so something isn't going right. The new guy needs a little time to change coaches, players, systems, culture. Souza's 6 err 9 years is WAY to long to see results.

I think it is the first 90 day mentality of business (or 100 days in office), as the AD you should be able to see the strategy and plan pretty quickly, by year 2-3 you can tell if the guy can execute.


P.S. intentionally skipped 2020-2021 covid year of 15 games.
 
JB said:
UGH!

That is something that makes me want to have a new coach more not less.

This teams Power Play is a train wreck. They score on individual plays not based on scheme. They aren't improving either, more the other way around, getting worse.
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But when was the last time that the Cats planted two players uselessly behind the opposing net for 5 on 3 power plays?
 
Snively65 said:
But when was the last time that the Cats planted two players uselessly behind the opposing net for 5 on 3 power plays?
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yeah - now it is 5 guys ringing around the 4 man box, get just the right view on TV and you would wonder where all the UNH players are at. If the object is the "4 corners offense" and keep away it works. Problem is on the PP you normally want to score not waste the 2 minutes passing the puck harmlessly around the offensive zone.
 
JB said:
yeah - now it is 5 guys ringing around the 4 man box, get just the right view on TV and you would wonder where all the UNH players are at. If the object is the "4 corners offense" and keep away it works. Problem is on the PP you normally want to score not waste the 2 minutes passing the puck harmlessly around the offensive zone.
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Because none of our players want to get pounded in front of the net, where a screen or a tip in might actually happen.

I have been impressed with how JvR has made his living getting pounded on the PP in front of NHL nets since he left UNH.
 
Snively65 said:
Because none of our players want to get pounded in front of the net, where a screen or a tip in might actually happen.
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I don't agree.

It isn't a "player" problem it is a scheme problem. There are a number of guys willing to go in there. The UNH scheme doesn't know what to do with the player in front of the net.
 
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