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UNH Hockey 2023-2024 Season Thread - End Of The Cellar-Dweller Era??

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Solid "must" win last night. Missing some players, others stepped up. The team may not be what some of us :-0 thought a month or two ago, but definitely improved from recent seasons. I am rooting for BU tomorrow, but a BC win might give the 'cats a better chance at winning Friday. The boys really need to steal one, probably two from BC, UMO to PWR qualify for the NCAA tournament. Also hold serve maybe split with UMA against the rest.
 
Goal with less than 3 seconds left. Fitzy out. Probably tripped on his skate laces, got a 2 min penalty, and gave up a 2 on 1. Babo needs to be the 6th guy for the rest of the year. Solid. Will not make a rush but also won't make the wrong move. This is what you want from that spot.

Counterpoint: meaningless goal other than shut out preservation. Why not have him out there during MC goon time? Freshmen need playing time to improve. He needs to add some weight too. The overall ice time stats would be good to see.
 
Hey! A win is a win. Happy Borat wasn't able to stick the dagger into MS7 but he'll get another chance next weekend.
 
Solid "must" win last night. Missing some players, others stepped up. The team may not be what some of us :-0 thought a month or two ago, but definitely improved from recent seasons. I am rooting for BU tomorrow, but a BC win might give the 'cats a better chance at winning Friday. The boys really need to steal one, probably two from BC, UMO to PWR qualify for the NCAA tournament. Also hold serve maybe split with UMA against the rest.

From your lips to the Hockey God's ears! Def was a 'must win'...MC had a ton of players out with injury and the game was a battle but pulled it off!

Excited to see that Rob Cronin had a 3 point night and that he's having a good season. Was talking to a former player about a game the 'Cats had won last season and his lament was "we could never win those games"...which made me sad of course.

'Cats did what they had to do...

JP Turner...king of the box! But I'll take his goal (s) and think he's a definite up and coming player..
 
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Hey! A win is a win. Happy Borat wasn't able to stick the dagger into MS7 but he'll get another chance next weekend.

He must be denied. Winning in North Andover isn't stealing, but 'cats gotta have a W. A loss to #33 PWR would be devastating.
 
Good to see Cronin once again being a factor on this team, after a solid frosh season, followed by an extended year-plus of "whatever happened to the Cronin kid?" If there is a difference with this year's team, it's that there has been some quality depth, and competition for time on the 3rd pairing and bottom six forwards. Things can go sideways pretty quickly when you either lack quality depth, or have just enough where there isn't competition for time at the bottom of the line sheet. When those guys don't have to compete and develop to earn their time, sometimes bad habits can set in, or sometimes they can get a little lazy and go through the motions a bit.

If you haven't taken the time to read the earlier link provided by boblav1 on 2024 AHL Hall of Famer, UNH's Gordie Clark (of C-H-C fame), set aside 5 minutes and do it now. Great story of a guy who worked hard for everything he got, turned into a hockey lifer, and was arguably the Darren Haydar of his time. Congrats Gordie - you earned it.

Yes, fine article on Gordie Clark. In my UNH alums in NHL spreadsheet, I include games played in the WHA, which gives Gordie 29 total games (8 NHL, 21 WHA), which puts him in 34th place, 1 game ahead of Cap Raeder’s 28 games for the Whalers.

Speaking of said spreadsheet, Warren Foegele with 394 NHL games played has now moved into 12th place ahead of John Gray (363 games on three WHA teams) and Andy Brickley (385 NHL games).
 
He must be denied. Winning in North Andover isn't stealing, but 'cats gotta have a W. A loss to #33 PWR would be devastating.

Yeah but...it's a hard place to play. (just echoing the very words I've heard on reasons why we don't always get a W there....ha!) That said, Lawlor is/can be a challenging place to play
though UNH has won there many, many times ...and lost a few heartbreakers 2016 first round HE tourney come to mind...anyone remember that mess at the end???

I won't mention the officials name but begins with V and ends with S...Not saying we lost because of the incompetence on releasing our player from the box AND then
the too many men on the ice call just sayin'....

Snively, need to bring back the 'drive home safely' cheer?!? Agree...he must be denied!
 
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Snively, need to bring back the 'drive home safely' cheer?!? Agree...he must be denied!

Those UNH fan chants at the end of games at Lawlor were really obnoxious, back when we had a team that routinely won games there. Since the the 2005/2006 season, we are 12-13-4, I think, and have lost four of the last five, with the other game a tie.

Many pages back, I wrote that we needed to sweep our remaining two-game series with Yukon, UVM, Max, and UML, and steal a couple more wins in the other remaining games if we wanted to make the NCAA’s. Because we only split with Yukon and UVM, I now think that we need to steal four other games besides completing the sweep against Mac and sweeping UML. I simply do not see that happening.
 
Yeah but...it's a hard place to play. (just echoing the very words I've heard on reasons why we don't always get a W there....ha!) That said, Lawlor is/can be a challenging place to play though UNH has won there many, many times ...and lost a few heartbreakers 2016 first round HE tourney come to mind...anyone remember that mess at the end???

UNH doesn't have the excuse about Lawlor being "so small" anymore, so next weekend needs to be a win. Simples.

'Ref, you mention the '16 HEA MBPGEGAM "playoffs", where Merrimack hosted UNH in a best of three. I'm pretty sure those were the last road postseason games for UNH that I've traveled to - at least the first two games - I used to work about 10 minutes away, so Game One was an easy take, and I had a rare Saturday night off from my coaching duties, so I also caught Game Two. I didn't go to Game Three, 'cuz I was disgusted with the lack of compete level from a few of the 'Cats towards the end of Game Two. That was the end of Danny Tirone's soph season, and while that season was statistically his worst at UNH, he pretty much stood on his head in that series to keep UNH in it, right to the end. But as soon as Merrimack scored the OT winner in Game Two, I knew in my heart what was coming in Game Three. Sadly, that feeling proved to be accurate.

That was the year of the infamous "Senior First Line/Checking Line" experiment, so I was already pretty torqued with a lot of things Coach Umile was (and wasn't) doing by that point. For current context, it was also Year One of the "MS7 Three Year Plan". I thought Dennehy coached circles around UNH, both tactically and motivationally, so I couldn't even be angry at the 'Mac - they SO clearly wanted it more. It was really a personal turning point for me, almost a point of diminishing returns as a UNH fan, and reflecting back, I'm not sure I've ever been entirely back on board like I had been in the old days since. It's not that I don't want to be ... and I did not make my "all in" pronouncement this season lightly, either. After all, this is still a UNH team with a winning record, and as a result, that's the best we can say it's been here for almost a decade. LOW bar.

A strong February could make a difference, but February has been the month where many a past UNH season has gone to die; if the UConn and UVM losses in late January are gonna be foreshadowing, it wouldn't surprise me in the least. There is a lot of built-up "scar tissue" if you are a UNH fan that goes back at least to the years when the 'Cats were perennial NCAA participants ... and I know there are still many UNH fans out there (not just Snives and Dale) who've been on this crazy ride for longer than I have, but I'm sure anyone who's been on board long enough to remember quality postseason chances (and 'Ref, you absolutely qualify) is fighting this battle from varying degrees of experience.

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As an aside to Coach Souza ... despite my casual repeated "MS7" references, I know Coach is a real person, and just like his predecessor, they take on these high profile jobs knowing there is pressure to perform and produce, and the fruits of consistent victory can be very sweet. Coach Umile made a very lucrative career out of the work he and his assistants performed for UNH for the better part of a full generation, and that is entirely deserved. That his professional CV lacks just the one exclamation point entry may be frustrating - for us as fans sure, but even more so for someone that competitively wired like he was at his peak - but takes nothing away from what he did. Likewise, Coach Souza walked into his current job with eyes wide open - or at least he should have, no excuses if he didn't - and he understands that when things haven't gone as well as he'd hoped, then there are consequences. He will know that once BS+ retired a couple of years ago, his safety net was never going to be there now as it had been in the past. No one will need to have written him a map after Coach Herrion was not renewed. I'm sure this is an incredibly stressful time for the Souza household, with lots of uncertainty hovering over results of the next 30+ days. There likely have been many sleepless nights already, and there likely will be several more to come. I don't envy the professional stress you're going through. It's the ugly underside of the "risk/reward" tradeoff, but since the events surrounding Coach Herrion last March, I want to think Coach Souza has been quietly yet diligently making contingency plans for Plan B this Spring, and maybe as a result, the stress level at Chez Souza is not quite so bad?

In the end, maybe the ultimate irony is that with a decision that needs to be made while considering what's best for UNH Men's Hockey for the next decade (plus?), it will be the decidedly non-paisan AD Rich who needs to channel her inner Don Corleone, and in making her decision on possibly renewing/extending Coach Souza, she'll need to make sure her decision is "nothing personal, strictly business". If she is convinced that Coach Souza has turned a corner with this program, and the results from this point on this season reinforce that, then that should guide her decision. Likewise, if she is convinced he is NOT the person to carry the program forward into a more successful future, then it's all over, and we move on quickly. If she is unconvinced either way - and I'm not sure what circumstances might be to produce that outcome - then she'll basically need to do some advanced intelligence work on who may or may not be available and receptive to taking the UNH job. If the right candidate(s) are not available, then maybe a one year extension is in order to see (1) if Coach Souza's improvement (so far anyway) this year is a mirage or a real emerging positive trend, and (2) in hopes that the quality of potential replacements next Spring ('25) is better?

Simple in some ways, potentially complicated in others. Although I've been a committed pessimist in recent years, I honestly think the chance of Coach Souza being back in charge for the 2024/2025 season is about 50-50, so the "game" is definitely in the balance. Likewise, assuming he returns, I think the chance of a one year extension is probably 50%, two years is 30%, and three (or more?!?) years is likely only 20%.

Just for craps & giggles, I'll update these projections after every weekend from here on out. But in doing so, I'm just doing this in the interests of prompting discussion and "entertainment" (as it used to say on the back of those "pick NFL 4 games against the spread for 10 points" cards of pre-Internet yesteryear), and not to make sport of what really turns into a very human saga, where hopefully business logic carries the day ...
 
You left out that if you hope to compete at the top of HEA, you’re going to have to win a few where it's a hard place to play.
 
You left out that if you hope to compete at the top of HEA, you’re going to have to win a few where it's a hard place to play.

I agree, and Lawlor has not been “a hard place to play” this season for the better teams, as Maine (2), Yukon, BU, BC, NU, and UMass-Flagship all have won there, and even UML tied. Mac has beaten Clarkson, St Lawrence, Army, Bentley (has never beaten Mac), Stonehill (has not won a Div 1 game yet), and UMass-Flagship, Mac’s best win at Lawlor. So, Mac is 6-7-1 at home this season, is 1 point out of the HEA cellar where UML has two games in hand, and as noted is in the bottom third of Div 1 in PWR, which does not suggest to me that Lawlor is “hard place to play,” at least this season. If we lose at Lawlor next weekend it is “season over” for the Cats.
 
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I agree, and Lawlor has not been “a hard place to play” this season for the better teams, as Maine (2), Yukon, BU, BC, NU, and UMass-Flagship all have won there, and even UML tied. Mac has beaten Clarkson, St Lawrence, Army, Bentley (has never beaten Mac), Stonehill (has not won a Div 1 game yet), and UMass-Flagship, Mac’s best win at Lawlor. So, Mac is 6-7-1 at home this season, is 1 point out of the HEA cellar where UML has two games in hand, and as noted is in the bottom third of Div 1 in PWR, which does not suggest to me that Lawlor is “hard place to play,” at least this season. If we lose at Lawlor next weekend it is “season over” for the Cats.

Well for sure, all of this. And, for the record, that's not my feeling about the place...just what I remember being the 'excuse' as to why UNH did not win said game/games. But it's always a
pleasure to win there, and, as you pointed out, we haven't done that well there in recent seasons. Last year we lost what, 6-1, beat them at Durham 3-2 OT.

Anyhoo, bigger fish to fry Friday night, I've been avoiding that topic...but will enjoy watching the Beanpot while babysitting my little grandson tomorrow night!

Let's go BU!
 
Anyhoo, bigger fish to fry Friday night, I've been avoiding that topic...but will enjoy watching the Beanpot while babysitting my little grandson tomorrow night!

You are doing God's work, getting the little guy ready for his own future hockey journey, 'Ref!! :-)
 
You are doing God's work, getting the little guy ready for his own future hockey journey, 'Ref!! :-)

I can already see he's going to be a blue liner! ha! On another note I'd think that MS7 (and team?) will be watching tonight's BU/BC match up to
see what they have going into Friday's gig at the Conte...
 
I can already see he's going to be a blue liner! ha! On another note I'd think that MS7 (and team?) will be watching tonight's BU/BC match up to
see what they have going into Friday's gig at the Conte...

Yup, MS7 cannot allow his team to look past the Iggles to the Warriors this coming weekend.
 
Gutterson, Lawler... "hard places to play". Excuses and evidence about how far UNH has fallen. There was a time where the only "hard places" to play for UNH in hockey east were Walter Brown and Alfond Arena. UNH faired pretty well at Conte in those years, even if it was just as likely with the Eagles to do a reverse home and home split. The rest, there were always chances to trip up, but not "hard to play".

Is this along the line of "if you can't spot the cupcakes on your schedule, you are the cupcake?" If you look at Lawler (home of last place in HE) and Gutterson (home of 9th in HE) as hard places to play, then you aren't very good. That crappy L at Gutterson looks worse and worse the more I think about it.


SIDE RANT: I hate HE as 11th teams and 3 point wins make it even worse. Right now there are 4 teams (more than 1/3 the league) with 3 games in hand on 4 other teams (more than 1/3 the league). So there is a chance to swing 9 points, or more likely something like current winning % * 9 points, so call it 4-5 (yes this doesn't factor how hard those games are). Still all I see published is current standings with no sense that for example Uconn (.451) is in 5th, 1 point ahead of both Umass (.524) and UNH (.524), BUT have played 3 more games. YES the standing are correct based on points earned, but are really pointless because it is so hard to tell any story about what the heck is going on with out a little digging.
 
Gutterson, Lawler... "hard places to play". Excuses and evidence about how far UNH has fallen. There was a time where the only "hard places" to play for UNH in hockey east were Walter Brown and Alfond Arena. UNH faired pretty well at Conte in those years, even if it was just as likely with the Eagles to do a reverse home and home split. The rest, there were always chances to trip up, but not "hard to play".

Is this along the line of "if you can't spot the cupcakes on your schedule, you are the cupcake?" If you look at Lawler (home of last place in HE) and Gutterson (home of 9th in HE) as hard places to play, then you aren't very good. That crappy L at Gutterson looks worse and worse the more I think about it.


SIDE RANT: I hate HE as 11th teams and 3 point wins make it even worse. Right now there are 4 teams (more than 1/3 the league) with 3 games in hand on 4 other teams (more than 1/3 the league). So there is a chance to swing 9 points, or more likely something like current winning % * 9 points, so call it 4-5 (yes this doesn't factor how hard those games are). Still all I see published is current standings with no sense that for example Uconn (.451) is in 5th, 1 point ahead of both Umass (.524) and UNH (.524), BUT have played 3 more games. YES the standing are correct based on points earned, but are really pointless because it is so hard to tell any story about what the heck is going on with out a little digging.

Agree with everything in your post, JB. Time for HEA to add Stonehill as a twelfth team (side note: Stonehill has not yet won a game in their first season).
 
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