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UMD - Bulldogs -'11-'12 Season Thread
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Toothlessinduluth
Ranger, Gopher, mean,cruel Dog fan
Re: UMD - Bulldogs -'11-'12 Season Thread
If this "coach" does nothing else he needs to apologize to his OWN team. Jeez, what a great leader of young people.
If this "coach" does nothing else he needs to apologize to his OWN team. Jeez, what a great leader of young people.
Re: UMD - Bulldogs -'11-'12 Season Thread
Seriously. Can you IMAGINE if Miller pulled that?
Stepping away from one of his last two games of the season and coming off as if he is taking the high road? Gimmie a break. That's like quitting first instead of being fired. Garbage. "Although I have not been suspended"... god... stop talking. "Reflect more deeply..." The only thing this guy is reflecting on is his own grandiose self-image when he shaves his head in the morning.
Seriously. Can you IMAGINE if Miller pulled that?
Stepping away from one of his last two games of the season and coming off as if he is taking the high road? Gimmie a break. That's like quitting first instead of being fired. Garbage. "Although I have not been suspended"... god... stop talking. "Reflect more deeply..." The only thing this guy is reflecting on is his own grandiose self-image when he shaves his head in the morning.
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JosephPSchmoe
I'll say it if you won't
Re: UMD - Bulldogs -'11-'12 Season Thread
He needs to sit out Saturday's game, too, and then he and his AD can take the off-season to "reflect" on his choice of careers.
At a time when the hockey world--both men's and women's--is acutely aware of and concerned about injuries like concussions and injuries from being checked from behind, to have a coach tell his players outright to go out and try to injure an opposing player is mind-boggling. But then there was the language he used after the game toward Coach Miller and telling her that he hoped Irwin was injured. And saying in the interview that he was proud of his players for taking out UMD's top two scorers. That's more than just a lapse of judgment or running off at the mouth in the heat of the moment. It displays a lack of character, a lack of class, a lack of discipline and makes him out to be a goon and a thug. I wonder, too, how it makes his players feel and what they think of him.
Lauren Smith isn't innocent, either. To intentionally give one player a shot to the head and then on the same play go after another player and blatantly nail her from behind and into the net shows a lack of discipline on her part, too. I don't care if she uses the old "I was just doing what I was told to do" excuse. That doesn't cut it.
Frankly, I doubt the league will take any action, but I wish they would. Player safety is important, something Miller tried to bring up before the Christmas break in a not-very-diplomatic way with officials after a game and it cost her a one-game suspension. But the point shouldn't be missed. Either the league is serious about player safety or it isn't. And when a head coach tells his players to intentionally hurt opposing players, regardless of which coach or which team or which players, people are going to look at the league and its reaction to see how serious they are.
(Caveat: Yes, I'm a homer.)
He needs to sit out Saturday's game, too, and then he and his AD can take the off-season to "reflect" on his choice of careers.
At a time when the hockey world--both men's and women's--is acutely aware of and concerned about injuries like concussions and injuries from being checked from behind, to have a coach tell his players outright to go out and try to injure an opposing player is mind-boggling. But then there was the language he used after the game toward Coach Miller and telling her that he hoped Irwin was injured. And saying in the interview that he was proud of his players for taking out UMD's top two scorers. That's more than just a lapse of judgment or running off at the mouth in the heat of the moment. It displays a lack of character, a lack of class, a lack of discipline and makes him out to be a goon and a thug. I wonder, too, how it makes his players feel and what they think of him.
Lauren Smith isn't innocent, either. To intentionally give one player a shot to the head and then on the same play go after another player and blatantly nail her from behind and into the net shows a lack of discipline on her part, too. I don't care if she uses the old "I was just doing what I was told to do" excuse. That doesn't cut it.
Frankly, I doubt the league will take any action, but I wish they would. Player safety is important, something Miller tried to bring up before the Christmas break in a not-very-diplomatic way with officials after a game and it cost her a one-game suspension. But the point shouldn't be missed. Either the league is serious about player safety or it isn't. And when a head coach tells his players to intentionally hurt opposing players, regardless of which coach or which team or which players, people are going to look at the league and its reaction to see how serious they are.
(Caveat: Yes, I'm a homer.)
brookyone
Deport Right Wing Nuts
Re: UMD - Bulldogs -'11-'12 Season Thread
Yeah. But that's what your specific complaint was...the language. Both on this occasion and historically (apparently) regarding Means. Just like ARM, I've not heard it from Means previously. Addressing the blue language issue only, I'm personally not terribly offended when I hear it at a sports contest. While others are...I'm aware.
Re: UMD - Bulldogs -'11-'12 Season Thread
Actually, I suggested it was more than just the language. (Oh.. there's swearing, and then there's dropping the C-bomb. Don't know a lot of men, even on a bad day, that would even go that low.) It was that he was suggesting he hoped a player was injured. My quote, below:
Actually, I suggested it was more than just the language. (Oh.. there's swearing, and then there's dropping the C-bomb. Don't know a lot of men, even on a bad day, that would even go that low.) It was that he was suggesting he hoped a player was injured. My quote, below:
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brookyone
Deport Right Wing Nuts
Re: UMD - Bulldogs -'11-'12 Season Thread
I was thinking more like, "we had a little talk, and he understands our position on the matter".
I was thinking more like, "we had a little talk, and he understands our position on the matter".
Re: UMD - Bulldogs -'11-'12 Season Thread
Taking a time out with 45 ticks left on the clock. I would have, remind your players what they can do if they play a complete game. If I was on the losing end I may have too, put 6 out there and try to get close. You are already behind.
I haven't seen eye to eye on every thing Miller has done, but Means does need to find another hobby other than coaching. His teams HAVE NOT gotten better and his attitude may be the best indication of it. Not sure who needs to go first, him or that joke on St Clouds bench.
In the time frame those 2 have been coaching, ND and Bemidji have improved and Ohio State has stayed in the mix too. Shoot, UMD is actually having to fight for a spot in the Final 8. They have had plenty of time to get their respective programs on a winning course.
Taking a time out with 45 ticks left on the clock. I would have, remind your players what they can do if they play a complete game. If I was on the losing end I may have too, put 6 out there and try to get close. You are already behind.
I haven't seen eye to eye on every thing Miller has done, but Means does need to find another hobby other than coaching. His teams HAVE NOT gotten better and his attitude may be the best indication of it. Not sure who needs to go first, him or that joke on St Clouds bench.
In the time frame those 2 have been coaching, ND and Bemidji have improved and Ohio State has stayed in the mix too. Shoot, UMD is actually having to fight for a spot in the Final 8. They have had plenty of time to get their respective programs on a winning course.
ithrewthebroom
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Re: UMD - Bulldogs -'11-'12 Season Thread
take that miller my head shines brighter than you sequin jacket
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take that miller my head shines brighter than you sequin jacket
Re: UMD - Bulldogs -'11-'12 Season Thread
Not defending Means actions but he isn't the only coach that gets offended by a timeout like that. I believe these our two very highly regarded hockey minds. I wonder what Babcock would have said to Miller after that timeout.
http://youtu.be/6wgO9EX6dYA
Not defending Means actions but he isn't the only coach that gets offended by a timeout like that. I believe these our two very highly regarded hockey minds. I wonder what Babcock would have said to Miller after that timeout.
http://youtu.be/6wgO9EX6dYA
Re: UMD - Bulldogs -'11-'12 Season Thread
The 'Dogs have been blowing games in the last few minutes all year. No, they weren't going to blow a 3 goal lead in 30 seconds but it was an opportunity to finish hard and strong with the long road that lies ahead. To be offended by when she takes a time out is laughable considering that Means should have a lot of other things to worry about with his cellar-dweller program. As 1996 suggested, the rest of the league has made the WCHA even more awesome and with the level of OSU, BSU, and UND programs giving the "Big Three" a run for their money, I argue that SCSU and MSU should be right there also.
Does anybody know if Ms Smith played in the Wisco game last night? How about tonight? A shame to end a season like that I would think. Way to set your team and players up for success, Coach Means.
The 'Dogs have been blowing games in the last few minutes all year. No, they weren't going to blow a 3 goal lead in 30 seconds but it was an opportunity to finish hard and strong with the long road that lies ahead. To be offended by when she takes a time out is laughable considering that Means should have a lot of other things to worry about with his cellar-dweller program. As 1996 suggested, the rest of the league has made the WCHA even more awesome and with the level of OSU, BSU, and UND programs giving the "Big Three" a run for their money, I argue that SCSU and MSU should be right there also.
Does anybody know if Ms Smith played in the Wisco game last night? How about tonight? A shame to end a season like that I would think. Way to set your team and players up for success, Coach Means.
ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
brookyone
Deport Right Wing Nuts
Re: UMD - Bulldogs -'11-'12 Season Thread
I believe there is merit and validity to the comment of yungblud as well as the opinion / advice in the video. I think a large percentage of people who've participated in organized sports would understand the coaches anger even though Means ire went way overboard. A lot of coaches, and players too are going to consider it...as athletes used to put it, "bush league." Not unlike changing goaltenders with 30 seconds left and a considerable lead. Or kicking a field goal with 5 seconds remaining with a 20 point lead...etc.
I believe there is merit and validity to the comment of yungblud as well as the opinion / advice in the video. I think a large percentage of people who've participated in organized sports would understand the coaches anger even though Means ire went way overboard. A lot of coaches, and players too are going to consider it...as athletes used to put it, "bush league." Not unlike changing goaltenders with 30 seconds left and a considerable lead. Or kicking a field goal with 5 seconds remaining with a 20 point lead...etc.
JosephPSchmoe
I'll say it if you won't
Re: UMD - Bulldogs -'11-'12 Season Thread
Like the Gophers putting Alyssa Grogan in net at the end of last Saturday's game? Oh wait, I'm sure that's completely different.
Anyway, there's never a valid or excusable reason for a coach to tell his players to go out and intentionally injury opposing players. Never.
Like the Gophers putting Alyssa Grogan in net at the end of last Saturday's game? Oh wait, I'm sure that's completely different.
Anyway, there's never a valid or excusable reason for a coach to tell his players to go out and intentionally injury opposing players. Never.
brookyone
Deport Right Wing Nuts
Re: UMD - Bulldogs -'11-'12 Season Thread
It was the final 11 seconds of her college career with the coach giving her a final opportunity to actually wear the uniform, also for the last time...and first time in a couple years. It is 100% different.
It was the final 11 seconds of her college career with the coach giving her a final opportunity to actually wear the uniform, also for the last time...and first time in a couple years. It is 100% different.
Re: UMD - Bulldogs -'11-'12 Season Thread
And the fact that Frost didn't even take a timeout to make that change. Just did so on a line change on a UND icing call.
It was the final 11 seconds of her college career with the coach giving her a final opportunity to actually wear the uniform, also for the last time...and first time in a couple years. It is 100% different.
And the fact that Frost didn't even take a timeout to make that change. Just did so on a line change on a UND icing call.