TV 19 - Simpsons Did It

[dxmnkd316]

It's like coming back from summer after freshman year and getting new roommates. Last year was great. It won't be the same, for better or worse.

 

[Slap Shot]

Band Of Brothers and The Pacific are both now available on Netflix

 

[Kepler]

Because of course Bill Maher crossed the picket line.

 

[Handyman]

I'm not defending Maher or Barrymore, but it is not black and white how talk shows are covered under the WGA and it is disingenuous to pretend that many of the people we applaud now didn't do the same thing in 2008. Conan, Leno, Letterman, Stewart, Colbert, Ferguson and Maher all went back to work without writers in the last WGA strike in 2008.

The rules governing talk shows are murky and there are other considerations. Conan went back (and I assume the others) for much the same reason Barrymore was going to...other people who work on the show not in the WGA who will be out of work. Not exactly fair to them to take money out of their pockets because the writers are on strike.

Ironically last time Maher was one of the last to come back (probably due to normal schedule) now he is one of the first. He won't have to worry about ayer the strike cause no writer will want to work with him after the crap he spewed.

 

[Kepler]

it is disingenuous to pretend that many of the people we applaud now didn't do the same thing in 2008. Conan, Leno, Letterman, Stewart, Colbert, Ferguson and Maher all went back to work without writers in the last WGA strike in 2008.

Who is applauding them?

That's whataboutism.

I'm not calling Maher a strikebreaker -- I am aware talk show hosts are not in the WGA (although with Maher it is murkier, because apparently he does still have writing credits on the show). I'm saying he didn't respect the picket line. Part of supporting labor is not to cross the line even when it's not your line. That is kind of the entire point of a labor movement: the recognition that management cuts us up into slices and dominates us that way, and organization and a united front are our strongest weapon to protect what little we have. I protect you today, you protect me tomorrow.

They didn't even list us overdue for a week. Very first light, Chief, sharks come cruisin'. So we formed ourselves into tight groups. Y'know, it's kinda like ol' squares in a battle like, uh, you see in a calendar, like the Battle of Waterloo, and the idea was, shark comes to the nearest man and that man, he'd start poundin' and hollerin' and screamin', and sometimes the shark'd go away. Sometimes he wouldn't go away. Sometimes that shark, he looks right into ya. Right into your eyes. Y'know the thing about a shark, he's got lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll's eyes. When he comes at ya, doesn't seem to be livin', until he bites ya. And those black eyes roll over white, and then... oh, then you hear that terrible high-pitch screamin', the ocean turns red, and spite of all the poundin' and the hollerin', they all come in and they rip you to pieces.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Here's the thing, if it were the maintenance guys at work striking and my job is to go in and complete a capital project, I'm crossing that line every time if I'm told to. And I don't think it's reasonable to tell other people to put their jobs on the line to support a union as non-union workers.

I don't necessarily think Maher and Barrymore getting their other employees back to work that aren't WGA union members is such a bad thing. It's a complicated issue. And I think this is what handy is also saying.

 

[Handyman]

Plenty of people are. The same people attacking Barrymore (rightfully) use the podcast with the late night hosts that is being done in lieu of their shows as a counterpoint to attack Drew and Bill. Three of those hosts crossed last time. Get out of your bubble man.

 

[Slap Shot]

6ixtynin9 from Thailand on Netflix. The title is misleading. A young woman finds a package that was incorrectly left at her door due to a mishap with apartment numbers. Chaos ensues. Smartly done in only 6 episodes.

 

[Kepler]

Here's the thing, if it were the maintenance guys at work striking and my job is to go in and complete a capital project, I'm crossing that line every time if I'm told to. And I don't think it's reasonable to tell other people to put their jobs on the line to support a union as non-union workers.

I don't necessarily think Maher and Barrymore getting their other employees back to work that aren't WGA union members is such a bad thing. It's a complicated issue. And I think this is what handy is also saying.

I understand that it can be complicated. But one thing we really need to do is unionize the entire workforce again. Otherwise management can play that sort of human shield game.

 

[Kepler]

What we really need is public insurance funds for striking workers. F-ck the owners. If they skim too much we support human beings, not them.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

What we really need is public insurance funds for striking workers. F-ck the owners. If they skim too much we support human beings, not them.

That would be nice but America doesn't believe in things like that. Kind of like we don't have universal health care.

 

[Kepler]

That would be nice but America doesn't believe in things like that. Kind of like we don't have universal health care.

GenZers (Left to Liberal) are replacing Boomers (Moderate to Right). That is a big change.

Gen X was Moderate and Millenials Liberal, but GenZers seem to see through the whole thing and are sincerely Left. The last time the American economy fell apart because of wild rightwing-driven inequality, we got the New Deal.

One-third of voters were Millenial or younger in 2020.

In 2040 that number will be two-thirds.

The Nazis are, literally, dying.

 

[Kepler]

And then there's this:

The GOP is running out of uneducated racists.

By 2036, white non-grad will be 34%. When Dump was elected that number was 46%.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Is this still the tv thread?

 

[SJHovey]

Is this still the tv thread?

When the only thing you have in your hand is a hammer, every thread looks like a nail.

 

[Jimjamesak]

Blaming unions for putting non-union workers out of work sounds about right. Way to fall for the corporate propaganda people.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Blaming unions for putting non-union workers out of work sounds about right. Way to fall for the corporate propaganda people.

No one did anything of the sort.

You can reread what I posted, but you won't find me blaming the unions.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

When the only thing you have in your hand is a hammer, every thread looks like a nail.

I’m honestly wondering if my mobile is putting posts in the wrong thread?i don’t even see a post that explains the transition

i don’t even see a post from dx where he spoke about unions so I’m wondering if posts are going to thr wrong threads

 

[Jimjamesak]

No one did anything of the sort.

You can reread what I posted, but you won't find me blaming the unions.

Sorry, but this:

Here's the thing, if it were the maintenance guys at work striking and my job is to go in and complete a capital project, I'm crossing that line every time if I'm told to. And I don't think it's reasonable to tell other people to put their jobs on the line to support a union as non-union workers.

I don't necessarily think Maher and Barrymore getting their other employees back to work that aren't WGA union members is such a bad thing. It's a complicated issue. And I think this is what handy is also saying.

absolutely reeks of “blame the unions”. Giving people like Maher and Barrymore a pass because of “think of the other people” is buying into the corporate narrative. AMPTP and the networks are getting desperate to get shows back on the air and they use tactics like that to do it. Strikes are supposed to be disruptive and will always have consequences for those people not directly involved. It sucks for those people but there are resources available to them just like those on strike.

It’s not a complicated issue. Don’t cross the picket line. Solidarity means solidarity, not “solidarity but only when it’s convenient for me”.

 

[Handyman]

Sorry, but this:

absolutely reeks of “blame the unions”. Giving people like Maher and Barrymore a pass because of “think of the other people” is buying into the corporate narrative. AMPTP and the networks are getting desperate to get shows back on the air and they use tactics like that to do it. Strikes are supposed to be disruptive and will always have consequences for those people not directly involved. It sucks for those people but there are resources available to them just like those on strike.

It’s not a complicated issue. Don’t cross the picket line. Solidarity means solidarity, not “solidarity but only when it’s convenient for me”.

(I am a member of 3 unions and negotiator for 1)

I don't think that is what dx was doing...nor do I think that is what Barrymore, Maher or (back in the day) Conan was doing when they all said the same thing. If you aren't in a union or your union isn't on strike or in solidarity then it becomes a scenario like dx proposed. In 2008 to the Late Night hosts it made more sense to benefit the many (the non-strikers) over the few (the WGA writers) so that is what they did. They didn't hire scabs either and none of the hosts now are or were planning to do so as far as anyone knew. They took a hit for it...although some got it worse than others. Much like Barrymore took a lot of the heat this time Ellen took most of the heat last time. Barrymore couldn't take the backlash so she backed down...Ellen and the rest could so they went back to work.

Personally, I think they should all stay out especially any host that is themselves a member of the WGA or was at any point. There could be pretty bad consequences though if you do that in theory because there are other rules that those shows abide by that could put them in danger...especially the day time talk shows which are syndicated. No one is cancelling Colbert but Drew Barrymore and Jennifer Hudson could go away tomorrow and like 12 housewives would care.

DGF,

The posts are all from this thread...and its partly my fault because I made a counterpoint to the AOC article Kepler posted. I think a lot of the people up in arms are acting a bit hypocritical trying to show their union cred when in fact they love many of the hosts who did it in the past. (and they have no idea what most of the rules are governing these things or that other unions like SAG-AFTRA dont agree with the WGA about it) I never thought my comment would lead to all of this but hey, apparently I bring it out of people. ;^)