Kepler
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It made choices that are a HUGE target for lazy hot takes.
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TV 19 - Simpsons Did It
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It made choices that are a HUGE target for lazy hot takes.
RaceBoarder
Waiting for the Snow to fly...
I'm sold on the pilot of THE LAST OF US. Very well done and well acted.
I'm coming in clean, without knowledge of the games story, so the opening was a true and unexpected shock.
I'll be back each week for this one =)
I think this could be done with a simple premise: Keep the Zombies in the background and focus on the human component. Show the struggle of life in the dystopian world. Show the everyday consequences that protagonists face.
In the case of TLOU, they show the struggle/triumph of Joel and Ellie. They tie in the story of the people that they come across. Sure, the infected are around, but Joel, Ellie, and Co. aren't fighting off a hoard every 32 minutes. They lurk in the background, coming forward occasionally, but for the most part they are used to enhance other conflicts by just having their spectre hanging over.
I'm coming in clean, without knowledge of the games story, so the opening was a true and unexpected shock.
I'll be back each week for this one =)
I think this could be done with a simple premise: Keep the Zombies in the background and focus on the human component. Show the struggle of life in the dystopian world. Show the everyday consequences that protagonists face.
In the case of TLOU, they show the struggle/triumph of Joel and Ellie. They tie in the story of the people that they come across. Sure, the infected are around, but Joel, Ellie, and Co. aren't fighting off a hoard every 32 minutes. They lurk in the background, coming forward occasionally, but for the most part they are used to enhance other conflicts by just having their spectre hanging over.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
no, No. NO!
That's how you get the same old tripe.
How many times must we have to regurgitate THE DESPERATE AND NOBLE STRUGGLES OF JUST PLAIN DERPS WHEN CONFRONTED BY <your disaster here>. That is not drama, it is melodrama. It is paint by numbers writing. It dominates all of mass fiction. Please, do not do that. It is Sweet Valley High. No more. The mountain of that trash already dwarfs Everest.
Deutsche Gopher Fan
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Rudd made appearance in season 2, glad to hear it’s sticking for season 3. Delightful show
aparch
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Selena Gomez broke the news yesterday. They're already filming. (Also, it's adorable how she broke the news).
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRprpUBd/
I need to watch season two. The first season was excellent, and I just forgot to stream the second. Glad their continuation wasn't hinged on my viewership. I absolutely love the show. Selena has perfect comedic timing working with the masters Steve Martin and Martin Short.
French Rage
NICKERSON HAS [CENSORED]
Well yeah looks like his character was going to be pretty key for Season 3.
Meryl Streep's addition is great news, though!
RaceBoarder
Waiting for the Snow to fly...
So you just want Joel and Ellie to blast their way through the zombie hoard out to Cody, WY?
I'm confused Kep. You say the MCU is low-level storytelling because it's mindless action. But that is what you seem to be wanting here. You want the zombies jumping out around every corner and constantly harassing the protagonists.
JF_Gophers
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Kep wants the story to be about the zombies day to day struggle. Ignore the humans completely.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
I am blown away by how well Gomez fits in. She is truly a perfect fit.
It's an amazing show. The quality of the writing is sensational, the set design and the direction is perfect. It's theater-quality.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
That would at least be new.
ticapnews
Never Forget!
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
No, MCU is usually low-level storytelling because the story parts suck, not because of the mindless action. I typically just FF through the CGI sequences (it cuts the movies in half) anyway. There are instances however when MCU has outstanding storytelling and should be celebrated: Iron Man, the animated Spiderman multiverse one, the first half of the Wanda Vision series, Loki. I'm sorry I may be conflating DC, it's a distinction without a difference.
It is possible to have good storytelling about the dude and his magical quasi-daughter without it becoming dreck, but I worry it becomes just Another Very Special Episode because writers are lazy and nerd writers are boring because they have no direct life experience and are just juggling meta thematic elements. So, to take the best case of that: I love Rick & Morty, but it has no human heart, it has cleverness compounded upon itself as entertainment, but it has nothing at stake. Yes, we get "aw jeez" about the maukwish moments, but they are still all as monotonously forced as the set pieces they are lampooning.
This is all fine. Almost all mass art will by definition be uninteresting because it cannot afford to challenge its viewers. Like Fox News, mass fiction is an exercise in stroking the preferences of the audience and feeding the user base. It isn't supposed to be art, it is a sugar product to elicit a definite reaction (music building in the background), even when that reaction is angst (surprising dicordant final note for pathos and gravitas).
But we've seen sh-t that still can work for humans while it has to appeal to the herd. And maybe TLOU will be that, at least for a while. But it won't be that if they just repeat the same tripe they learn on the first day of film school. So please; surprise me. This is your art form. Don't waste my time with something I can understand through and through, give me something that makes me stretch and feel my incapacity. That is what makes this otherwise relentless disappointing trip fulfilling.
That would probably have sounded better in Middle English. I would like a beer now.
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dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
DHP said no because he didn't need it. Too busy w/ Broadway. Basically highballed them and had nothing to lose.
When KG and the other EPs said "no thanks", they decided to basically ditch all of the existing characters and move Frasier to a new location. I wouldn't be surprised to see old characters show up in cameos, but that's it. And honestly, if DHP isn't involved, this is the right way to go. It would be weird not having Niles but having Daphne. KG made the right call there to leave that storyline alone. k
Roz, OTOH, would have made some sense to bring back even without Martin, Niles, and Daphne. But they decided to go a different route (which makes me sad).
While I would have preferred a reboot with everyone, I think that would have forced them to try to hard to make it a continuation of the old show and I'm just not sure they could have pulled that off. It could have limited the creative ceiling. A new storyline altogether removes that ceiling. So I'm actually kind of hopeful.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Just saw this and agree.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
It is terrible. It’s not getting review bombed by angry conservatives, it’s getting review bombed because it sucks.
It takes Scooby Doo characters and changes all of them into what a TERF like Mindy Kaling thinks is a parody of “woke” and “me too”. Basically take the stereotypical “woke” traits then ratchet them up to 1000. It’s not clever subversion, it’s just a lazy attempt at trolling.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
The main complaining I have heard so far is from the usual moron righties and some uptight ahem "centrists" who like to sniffle "black characters making fun of white characters is okay but if you did it the other way it would be racist." It's that type of thin-skinned, barely concealed entitlement that is pervasive in the Echo Chamber, and then the Concern trolls who write for the NY Times.
Let me preface by saying I have no idea to what degree the show even knows what it is doing. After only the pilot, my impression is the best thing about the show is it is your racist grand pa's idea of what the Left multiplied ad absurdum. It's taking the stupidest tropes and then throwing them around like sh-t against the walls. In other words it's a show like Mrs. Maisel: it's a trick, creating a central character who is war crimes level horrible and then using the laziness of audiences and critics to make it a cause celeb.
Even more fun is that I have no idea if it's even intended as such. "Mindy Kaling," as a creative comedienne, obviously sucks. She has never been funny in any context that depended on her writing. She reminds me of the editorial board of the Dartmouth Review in the 80s. The question with her has always been, how many levels down does the Iocane go? Is she in reality brilliant performer who carefully crafts an unfunny persona to create a boomerang strategy to make her point, like the Colbert Show did, while clueless people take her literally, or is she just peddling a tired shtick which the too-clever-by-half metaverse then uses as a mirror to infinitely reflect upon its own image, bestowing her with completely illusory depth, like Chauncey Gardiner? My answer is: it doesn't matter. The show is initially making a lot of rightwing idiots very angry, which is good. And the backlashes against the backlashes against the backlashes are going to be very funny to watch, too. The people who are getting upset are people I think it's funny to upset, regardless of their politics.
Ultimately, the show's effect is to anger people who take themselves too seriously. We live in an era where people simultaneously have no authentic interior life because they endlessly repeat the irony pervasive in mass culture, but at the same time are constantly furious about everything because they have been told as consumers they are the center of the universe and their every utterance is a pearl of wisdom. That population has no ability to appreciate art or life or anything -- they have been created by capitalism to do two things: be constantly miserable and buy things to self-medicate for that. This show either brilliantly exposes that, or just hamfistedly and unconsciously exploits it. Maybe I'm a cultural accelerationist, but I think it's healthy to expose the underlying dynamic, intentionally or not.
Let me preface by saying I have no idea to what degree the show even knows what it is doing. After only the pilot, my impression is the best thing about the show is it is your racist grand pa's idea of what the Left multiplied ad absurdum. It's taking the stupidest tropes and then throwing them around like sh-t against the walls. In other words it's a show like Mrs. Maisel: it's a trick, creating a central character who is war crimes level horrible and then using the laziness of audiences and critics to make it a cause celeb.
Even more fun is that I have no idea if it's even intended as such. "Mindy Kaling," as a creative comedienne, obviously sucks. She has never been funny in any context that depended on her writing. She reminds me of the editorial board of the Dartmouth Review in the 80s. The question with her has always been, how many levels down does the Iocane go? Is she in reality brilliant performer who carefully crafts an unfunny persona to create a boomerang strategy to make her point, like the Colbert Show did, while clueless people take her literally, or is she just peddling a tired shtick which the too-clever-by-half metaverse then uses as a mirror to infinitely reflect upon its own image, bestowing her with completely illusory depth, like Chauncey Gardiner? My answer is: it doesn't matter. The show is initially making a lot of rightwing idiots very angry, which is good. And the backlashes against the backlashes against the backlashes are going to be very funny to watch, too. The people who are getting upset are people I think it's funny to upset, regardless of their politics.
Ultimately, the show's effect is to anger people who take themselves too seriously. We live in an era where people simultaneously have no authentic interior life because they endlessly repeat the irony pervasive in mass culture, but at the same time are constantly furious about everything because they have been told as consumers they are the center of the universe and their every utterance is a pearl of wisdom. That population has no ability to appreciate art or life or anything -- they have been created by capitalism to do two things: be constantly miserable and buy things to self-medicate for that. This show either brilliantly exposes that, or just hamfistedly and unconsciously exploits it. Maybe I'm a cultural accelerationist, but I think it's healthy to expose the underlying dynamic, intentionally or not.
Spartanforlife4
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From the sounds of it you like it because it trolls, not because it’s good.
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