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Trump First Term I: I for One Welcome Our New Trumpy Overlord

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mookie1995 said:
ah yes... the problem is with them.

not too far a throw from what they are thinking :)
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A good lot of it is. Buncha crybabies blaming everyone else cause things ain't as good as they used to be. Meanwhile, keep voting for the guys who give you a tax cut of 4100/year, and millionaires tax cuts of a quarter million/year, and then wonder why everything is fukked up.
 
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Who here was saying the Bush years were better?

Also, careful with the employment stats. The nature of the jobs we're growing in the USA vs. those we've lost over the past 20 years aren't really very favorable. Manufacturing jobs lost, retail and service jobs (lower pay rates and benefits, in general) increased.
 
rufus said:
And for what reason? All you hear about is 'FREEDOMS' and 'REGULATIONS'

60+ months of job growth, stock market at an all-time high, yearly deficits coming down, dug us out of the biggest recession since the Great Depression. Just imagine how much better things might be, how many of those "left behind" might be doing better if the Republicans had actually chosen to work with him instead of opposing everything he did at every step. From the very first day he took office. How much better would Obamacare be if they worked at fixing the problems with it, instead of holding over 60 votes to repeal it, knowing they wouldn't get through the Senate or a veto, and having nothing whatsoever at all to replace it with? After 8 years, still have nothing to replace it with.

But yeah, the Bush years were soooooooo much better.
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Lots of what ifs, too bad Obama wasn't good enough at getting them to the table. Trump is going to make America great again, something no one else thought of. :)
 
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St. Clown said:
Who here was saying the Bush years were better?

Also, careful with the employment stats. The nature of the jobs we're growing in the USA vs. those we've lost over the past 20 years aren't really very favorable. Manufacturing jobs lost, retail and service jobs (lower pay rates and benefits, in general) increased.
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That would be true no matter who was president. Lets not pretend if Romney had won and the numbers were the same the GOP would be parsing it out with that kind of nuance...

Jobs change over time...manufacturing would be no better off if Obama had lost but most other economic indicators would be.
 
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rufus said:
A good lot of it is. Buncha crybabies blaming everyone else cause things ain't as good as they used to be. Meanwhile, keep voting for the guys who give you a tax cut of 4100/year, and millionaires tax cuts of a quarter million/year, and then wonder why everything is fukked up.
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mookie doubts at this point anyone who only gets ~4,100 in tax cuts votes for that. they are reaching for something else.
 
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mookie1995 said:
mookie doubts at this point anyone who only gets ~4,100 in tax cuts votes for that. they are reaching for something else.
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No, they're voting for tax cuts. They think they'll be yuuuge. That's what they end up getting, cause tax cuts mean tax cuts for those who already have money. . But they keep voting for it, cause damm it, they pay too much in taxes. And you know, someday, they too will be a millionaire, and they sure don't want to be paying taxes when that day comes.
 
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St. Clown said:
Who here was saying the Bush years were better?

Also, careful with the employment stats. The nature of the jobs we're growing in the USA vs. those we've lost over the past 20 years aren't really very favorable. Manufacturing jobs lost, retail and service jobs (lower pay rates and benefits, in general) increased.
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Well, that ain't Obama's fault. Please, tell us why this is happening.
 
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walrus said:
Lots of what ifs, too bad Obama wasn't good enough at getting them to the table. Trump is going to make America great again, something no one else thought of. :)
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Yeah, just ignore all the things he did do. Obama courted Olympia Snowe for over six months, trying to get her support for Obamacare, putting things in it that she wanted. She voted against it anyway.

When he took office, we were losing half a million jobs a month. His policies stemmed that, and then reversed it. With absolutely no help from Republicans. Actually, with a lot of resistance from them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT1JV65rokc

But now we're just supposed to sit back and "come together and give the guy a chance". Funny it's always only Democrats who are supposed to work with Republicans, and never the other way around.
 
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Handyman said:
That would be true no matter who was president. Lets not pretend if Romney had won and the numbers were the same the GOP would be parsing it out with that kind of nuance...

Jobs change over time...manufacturing would be no better off if Obama had lost but most other economic indicators would be.
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I would never argue that Romney would be doing better, not at all. The root of this goes back further than when you or I were voting and its solution will take longer than any single administration could truthfully claim sole triumph.

rufus said:
Well, that ain't Obama's fault. Please, tell us why this is happening.
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It's the nature of a globalized production environment and production life cycle. When a product is new it's designed and manufactured within the nation that invented it. Once its production has been simplified or refined, production is either nearly fully automated and kept in country or sent to a nation with lower resource costs.

A nation such as our, where labor costs are high relative to other nations either have to focus on service positions, those that are impossible to outsource to another country, or gain greater education in specialized fields, those fields required for complex manufacturing like machinists or engineers. We seem to have few enough people getting the education needed for the highly specialized training or degrees - especially the STEM fields and advanced degrees necessary to grow wages in an economy such as. We have been importing a lot of laborers from nations where people are obtaining the necessary education, though, which has kept those industries growing here. We've had too many people being failed in our schools, too many either not getting enough education in primary or secondary schools to allow them to progress in a successful manner to post-secondary schooling, or they choose to stay away from technically difficult services, development or manufacturing areas of school and instead get degrees in sociology and philosophy. Sure, they're interesting fields, but they're hardly needed in the volumes of students we have in those fields. And we're not doing enough to change that trend.
 
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Romney's in a position of strength. If the apology demand is for real, he needs to sack up and walk away. It's punishment enough that he's decided to flip-flop and give Trump the time of day to begin with.
 
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rufus said:
But now we're just supposed to sit back and "come together and give the guy a chance". Funny it's always only Democrats who are supposed to work with Republicans, and never the other way around.
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Awesome, republicans have been saying that same thing(change dems and repubs around there) for 8 years T FF.
 
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