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Tournament Speculation Thread

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eddiethehaircut said:
I based my picks on Conference Leaders. Then highest ranked teams left. Is that how this is done. As I said this is new to me.
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Good for you for giving this a shot eddie . It's pretty much how it works,and your attempt to predict the tournament field is reasonable....and therefore unlikely.;)

The assumptions that conference leaders will win the day are logical ....but the odds are very long.

The "highest ranked teams left".... sounds like solid methodology.....but brace yourself for a surprise on selection Sunday. You will find everyone has their own interpretation, often with convincing arguments, of who are the highest ranked teams left. The selection committee has the only interpretation that matters.

The criteria/method for selecting teams that are looking for an at large bid in NCAA DIII hockey has been the source of truly incredible discussion and prognostication for an eternity. (* it helps to be able to visualize a smoke filled room):D

D3 hockey .com's "Bracketology" column without a doubt will have the most comprehensive coverage you will find. If you are new to this and interested, you will be enlightened.

The irony about all this, is that the flaws in the system that prevail are it's biggest selling feature and what makes the process a unique curiosity. And whether you love it or hate it, at the end of it all, you will understand why they say ....."it is what it is".
 
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CARDS_rule_the_Burgh said:
Good luck trying to understand the most *******ed-up system ever! There are people here who've been trying to make sense of this for a very long time, and have only made it more confusing.

Seriously, trying to understand this s**t is like trying to understand the Belgian political system!
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Actually 8/11 of the field is easy. It's the other 3/11th's that serve to fill the message boards.

The key, I think, is pay attention to the rankings that come out next week. If your school has never been ranked, you can forget Pool C.

Let's say all the teams that are now in 1st place get the AQ's. Let's look at a possible top 3 non-AQ ranked teams from each Region with an SoS rank after them:

East: Plattsburgh (13), Utica (2), Elmira (5)
West: UWRF (23), St. Scholastica (15), and UWSP (4)

Now the way it SUPPOSEDLY works, it you compare the East top Pool C candidate with the West's top Pool C candidate. Whomever wins that goes into Pool C. (Plattsburgh)
Then you do it again with the loser from #1 vs. the next Pool C from the winner's region (UWRF vs. Utica). Utica will win that based on a close loss in record and lopsided win in SoS.
So now we compare UWRF with Elmira. Elmira wins that.

The 3 Pool C's would be Platty, Utica, Elmira.

Now if Manhattanville gets ranked over Utica, put Manhattanville in and toss Utica into the we wuz robbed pit.
 
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no matter who gets the pool C you'll see someone complaining about bias one way or the other
 
joecct said:
Actually 8/11 of the field is easy. It's the other 3/11th's that serve to fill the message boards.

The key, I think, is pay attention to the rankings that come out next week. If your school has never been ranked, you can forget Pool C.

Let's say all the teams that are now in 1st place get the AQ's. Let's look at a possible top 3 non-AQ ranked teams from each Region with an SoS rank after them:

East: Plattsburgh (13), Utica (2), Elmira (5)
West: UWRF (23), St. Scholastica (15), and UWSP (4)

Now the way it SUPPOSEDLY works, it you compare the East top Pool C candidate with the West's top Pool C candidate. Whomever wins that goes into Pool C. (Plattsburgh)
Then you do it again with the loser from #1 vs. the next Pool C from the winner's region (UWRF vs. Utica). Utica will win that based on a close loss in record and lopsided win in SoS.
So now we compare UWRF with Elmira. Elmira wins that.

The 3 Pool C's would be Platty, Utica, Elmira.

Now if Manhattanville gets ranked over Utica, put Manhattanville in and toss Utica into the we wuz robbed pit.
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I dont think Utica deserves to get in over Mville no matter what the uscho.com poll says. The valiants beat utica twice out of the three regular season games and they will likely play each other in the ECAC W conference tourney.
 
NorthernLite said:
I haven't seen anything top the stir Adrian caused those first two years of their program.
The Forum has become a much quieter place since the MCHA received the AQ.
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That and I think the other end started to understand the screwed up process tbat is the NCAA DIII Ice Hockey Selection process....
 
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PSUChamps2001 said:
That and I think the other end started to understand the screwed up process tbat is the NCAA DIII Ice Hockey Selection process....
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There were trolls on both sides that contributed very little substance to the discussion back then. What I found hard to understand was how many very knowlegable hockey minds acknowleged the flaws, yet embraced the system due to years of mindnumbing exposure to the process.

The Pool C discussions are amusing. Fortunately most teams in today's DIII control their own destiny. The only ones I sympathize with are the ECAC-W conference teams that are at the mercy of that "screwed up process"
 
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AldenPartridge1819 said:
Latest projections from d3hockey.com: http://d3hockey.com/Bracketology/Men_11-12/feb-8
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I think that's the math at this point but I would be shocked if the NCHA doesn't get a pool C bid at this point. I believe the NCHA is to strong to only get one team and would imagine that the selection committee would take that into account. And I know, there are other conferences that are just as strong, but I think the NCHA gets credit for each team beating up on every opponent three times.

Additionally UWSP could pick up win vs. ranked opponent SNC tonight. RF and/or CSS will add a ranked tie or win to their resume tomorrow. I would also say those four are meeting in the semis/finals so each have the chance for another win against a ranked team and also a loss to bolster or hurt their resumes.
 
FALCONSANNOUNCER said:
I think that's the math at this point but I would be shocked if the NCHA doesn't get a pool C bid at this point. I believe the NCHA is to strong to only get one team and would imagine that the selection committee would take that into account. And I know, there are other conferences that are just as strong, but I think the NCHA gets credit for each team beating up on every opponent three times.

Additionally UWSP could pick up win vs. ranked opponent SNC tonight. RF and/or CSS will add a ranked tie or win to their resume tomorrow. I would also say those four are meeting in the semis/finals so each have the chance for another win against a ranked team and also a loss to bolster or hurt their resumes.
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So who do you take out?
 
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If 4 Western teams, that will mean 2 first round games in the West as no West teams are ranked high enough to get 2 semifinal slots.

However that would mean that the ECAC-NE would play the MASCAC in East 1st round game.

I like it!!!
 
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PSUChamps2001 said:
So who do you take out?
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I'd say Plattsburgh and Elmira in. Adrian travels to Elmira. St. Thomas plays NCHA runner-up winner plays NCHA Champ.

Or if St. Thomas loses than the NCHA gets just one team and MIAC champ would play NCHA champ winner plays St. Thomas.

I do feel the numbers will be strong enough though for either SNC, RF or CSS to finish runner-up and make the tourney. Maybe it won't be enough but I think it will.
 
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FALCONSANNOUNCER said:
I'd say Plattsburgh and Elmira in. Adrian travels to Elmira. St. Thomas plays NCHA runner-up winner plays NCHA Champ.

Or if St. Thomas loses than the NCHA gets just one team and MIAC champ would play NCHA champ winner plays St. Thomas.

I do feel the numbers will be strong enough though for either SNC, RF or CSS to finish runner-up and make the tourney. Maybe it won't be enough but I think it will.
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Again, Elmira would more likely travel to Adrian. There are no national seedings, only Regional ones. Whoever is the higher seed in their own region would host the inter-regional matchup. As with last year, this year that would be Adrian. Am I saying that Adrian is a better team than Elmira? Certainly not. If there were national seedings, Elmira would be ahead of Adrian and would host. But under the current rules, that is not the case
 
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CARDS_rule_the_Burgh said:
Again, Elmira would more likely travel to Adrian. There are no national seedings, only Regional ones. Whoever is the higher seed in their own region would host the inter-regional matchup. As with last year, this year that would be Adrian. Am I saying that Adrian is a better team than Elmira? Certainly not. If there were national seedings, Elmira would be ahead of Adrian and would host. But under the current rules, that is not the case
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Never let the facts get in the way of a good argument. :D
 
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