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Re: The University of Vermont Official 2010-2011 Season Thread : Part 1
You sound like a Tea Partier. ;-)
You sound like a Tea Partier. ;-)
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The University of Vermont Official 2010-2011 Season Thread : Part 1
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HOCKEYGUY23
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So if Sneddon should start worrying about next year perhaps you should start the offseason thread.
So as long as guys show energy like White and Brickley u r ok? How about getting some players who have a clue how to play. That is what this team is missing.
jcarter7669
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Re: The University of Vermont Official 2010-2011 Season Thread : Part 1
I'm not sure what you are trying to say? Are you saying White and Brickley don't have a clue how to play hockey?
If you like, you could start an offseason thread, but my count we still have a at least 2 months left. But whatever turns your crank. You clearly don't like the team, I have to ask the question...why bother reading the thread and following the team? Or do you even follow the team?
I'm not sure what you are trying to say? Are you saying White and Brickley don't have a clue how to play hockey?
If you like, you could start an offseason thread, but my count we still have a at least 2 months left. But whatever turns your crank. You clearly don't like the team, I have to ask the question...why bother reading the thread and following the team? Or do you even follow the team?
HOCKEYGUY23
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Re: The University of Vermont Official 2010-2011 Season Thread : Part 1
You seem to act like an intellect when its convienent for you. You said the season is shot, so if its shot start your offseason thread. Otherwise, let's keep focused on this season.
You seem to act like an intellect when its convienent for you. You said the season is shot, so if its shot start your offseason thread. Otherwise, let's keep focused on this season.
jcarter7669
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Re: The University of Vermont Official 2010-2011 Season Thread : Part 1
Oh theh hypocrisy. Focus on this season, that would be a welcomed change. We could stop the useless and baseless speculation on whether Sneddon is leaving for Harvard and what the locker room enviornment is like and instead focus on THIS season. Wonderful suggestion.
So how about giving the Grantfan Weekend Pre-game Analysis.... UVM v. Mary Mack
I think the elephant will jump the fence... at least for 50 cents.
Oh theh hypocrisy. Focus on this season, that would be a welcomed change. We could stop the useless and baseless speculation on whether Sneddon is leaving for Harvard and what the locker room enviornment is like and instead focus on THIS season. Wonderful suggestion.
So how about giving the Grantfan Weekend Pre-game Analysis.... UVM v. Mary Mack
I think the elephant will jump the fence... at least for 50 cents.
Martin St. Louis Fan
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Re: The University of Vermont Official 2010-2011 Season Thread : Part 1
I think Sneddon has the difficult task of changing systems mid season. At the start of the season, the Cats had the ability to score some goals, and Sneddon opened up his offesive systems to reflect this. Now his offense is depleated, he will obviously have to adjust. Kevin is a defensive minded coach, and I think the appropriate adjustments will be made.
Lots of season left, let's not completely give up hope!
I think Sneddon has the difficult task of changing systems mid season. At the start of the season, the Cats had the ability to score some goals, and Sneddon opened up his offesive systems to reflect this. Now his offense is depleated, he will obviously have to adjust. Kevin is a defensive minded coach, and I think the appropriate adjustments will be made.
Lots of season left, let's not completely give up hope!
HOCKEYGUY23
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I think having a clean week could be great medicine. No distracting departures this week. No questions by reporters asking about teammates leaving. A two point weekend will be had this week. Honestly think Merrimack looks past UVM.
UVM - Bruin
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Re: The University of Vermont Official 2010-2011 Season Thread : Part 1
As someone who has followed the team over the years (since my undergraduate days when St. Louis, Thomas and Perrin skated the Gut), I see the following this year:
- the 2010/2011 team has a lot of talent, maybe not the same level as the 2008/2009 team, but they have some kids that know how to play the game.
- what this team lacks is leadership. Some of that is because it's a young team and you don't have a Dean Strong type of leader. But some of that has to be on the coaching staff.
- I think Sneddon has lost the team. I think he's a good coach, but he doesn't know how to lead. Or maybe he just doesn't know how to lead this group of kids. I went to both Northeastern games and had a chance to talk to a couple of the healthy scratch team members (the Herringtons, Griem, Wahs etc) sitting in the stands and weren't that upbeat, about the coach, the season or anything. Granted that could be for a number of reasons 1) the Wahs ordeal, 2) the horrible season or 3) them not getting much ice time, but I got the feeling it was Sneddon.
On one hand, Sneddon rebuilt the program on the other he's driving good kids away.
I'm torn, but I think it's time for Sneddon to go.
As someone who has followed the team over the years (since my undergraduate days when St. Louis, Thomas and Perrin skated the Gut), I see the following this year:
- the 2010/2011 team has a lot of talent, maybe not the same level as the 2008/2009 team, but they have some kids that know how to play the game.
- what this team lacks is leadership. Some of that is because it's a young team and you don't have a Dean Strong type of leader. But some of that has to be on the coaching staff.
- I think Sneddon has lost the team. I think he's a good coach, but he doesn't know how to lead. Or maybe he just doesn't know how to lead this group of kids. I went to both Northeastern games and had a chance to talk to a couple of the healthy scratch team members (the Herringtons, Griem, Wahs etc) sitting in the stands and weren't that upbeat, about the coach, the season or anything. Granted that could be for a number of reasons 1) the Wahs ordeal, 2) the horrible season or 3) them not getting much ice time, but I got the feeling it was Sneddon.
On one hand, Sneddon rebuilt the program on the other he's driving good kids away.
I'm torn, but I think it's time for Sneddon to go.
Re: The University of Vermont Official 2010-2011 Season Thread : Part 1
I put together a remaining strength of schedule analysis for teams ranked #5-#9 in Hockey East, thought some folks on here may be interested, maybe not.
I put together a remaining strength of schedule analysis for teams ranked #5-#9 in Hockey East, thought some folks on here may be interested, maybe not.
Re: The University of Vermont Official 2010-2011 Season Thread : Part 1
I have to agree with your analysis and I am also torn on whether Sneddon should stay or go. I am not sure he is doing enough to keep these kids in the 'game' and he 'lost' this team early in the season. They are very young adults with a lot of pressures both on and off the ice and he doesn't seem to be supporting them (based on the number of departures and the on ice performance). On the other hand if some of those 1 goal end of game bad break losses had gone the other way early in the season we might not be having this discussion....
I have to agree with your analysis and I am also torn on whether Sneddon should stay or go. I am not sure he is doing enough to keep these kids in the 'game' and he 'lost' this team early in the season. They are very young adults with a lot of pressures both on and off the ice and he doesn't seem to be supporting them (based on the number of departures and the on ice performance). On the other hand if some of those 1 goal end of game bad break losses had gone the other way early in the season we might not be having this discussion....
Re: The University of Vermont Official 2010-2011 Season Thread : Part 1
Back on 12/5 (after that UNH loss 5 - 1) I had a very bad feeling and angrily tweeted:
@UVMmhockey Too bad our coach has LOST his team - they clearly have quit on him. =(
Now I just have a very sad feeling. Sure hope my earlier "Gutt" feeling was wrong and things do improve.
Back on 12/5 (after that UNH loss 5 - 1) I had a very bad feeling and angrily tweeted:
@UVMmhockey Too bad our coach has LOST his team - they clearly have quit on him. =(
Now I just have a very sad feeling. Sure hope my earlier "Gutt" feeling was wrong and things do improve.
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jcarter7669
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Re: The University of Vermont Official 2010-2011 Season Thread : Part 1
I would say that the team has lost themselves. Those early season losses were devastating to team moral. The two games against Denver were well played and were within grasps. Follow that by an OT loss to ME, etc, etc and the team had to feel like they can't buy a win. It's tough to break that mentality. This team has skill and talent, but without being mentally in a good place those things really do not matter much. While some of that has to be overcome by the coach it's really a locker room issue. And I completely agree with the comment about lack of leadership. Miller is a very good player, but I'm not sure he is leadership material. I will say however that he really appears to by trying in regard to that as well. As the UMA game was slipping out of hand he started throwing some pretty big checks and that in turn kind of rallies the troops but it was way too little way to late. I think with this group it is team moral and attitude that is their biggest obstacle. I think a few different outcomes early on in the season or even stringing together a few wins would have had a huge effect. A sweep of NU and a sweep of UMA and this team would have a whole different outlook right now.
For Sneddon's part in hind sight extra practices, coming down hard on the players a few weeks ago may have backfired and only made things worse. But as a coach there are only a limited number of tools in the tool box to use and sometimes it's going to work and sometimes its not. But I really do not believe that one poor season warrants booting Kevin. Some guys just never really gel and it is what it is.
I would say that the team has lost themselves. Those early season losses were devastating to team moral. The two games against Denver were well played and were within grasps. Follow that by an OT loss to ME, etc, etc and the team had to feel like they can't buy a win. It's tough to break that mentality. This team has skill and talent, but without being mentally in a good place those things really do not matter much. While some of that has to be overcome by the coach it's really a locker room issue. And I completely agree with the comment about lack of leadership. Miller is a very good player, but I'm not sure he is leadership material. I will say however that he really appears to by trying in regard to that as well. As the UMA game was slipping out of hand he started throwing some pretty big checks and that in turn kind of rallies the troops but it was way too little way to late. I think with this group it is team moral and attitude that is their biggest obstacle. I think a few different outcomes early on in the season or even stringing together a few wins would have had a huge effect. A sweep of NU and a sweep of UMA and this team would have a whole different outlook right now.
For Sneddon's part in hind sight extra practices, coming down hard on the players a few weeks ago may have backfired and only made things worse. But as a coach there are only a limited number of tools in the tool box to use and sometimes it's going to work and sometimes its not. But I really do not believe that one poor season warrants booting Kevin. Some guys just never really gel and it is what it is.
Re: The University of Vermont Official 2010-2011 Season Thread : Part 1
The team will be fine. They will make the play-offs and who knows from there. It is tough to over come the graduation of a class that, despite some comments on this site over the years, had great leaders and talented players. The class of 2010 helped to accumulate 74 wins, two NCAA appearances, 2 Hockey East Home Ice berths, 2 Garden appearances, and a Frozen Four. (They also never lost to BC in four years at the Gut)
This team is in a rebuilding year and probably under estimated the locker room and on ice impact of losing that class. The program is still on the rise and will have a more consistent performance year to year in the future. They will catch at least two of the teams above them and like last year, as long as you get in the play-offs anything can happen!
Keep the faith.
The team will be fine. They will make the play-offs and who knows from there. It is tough to over come the graduation of a class that, despite some comments on this site over the years, had great leaders and talented players. The class of 2010 helped to accumulate 74 wins, two NCAA appearances, 2 Hockey East Home Ice berths, 2 Garden appearances, and a Frozen Four. (They also never lost to BC in four years at the Gut)
This team is in a rebuilding year and probably under estimated the locker room and on ice impact of losing that class. The program is still on the rise and will have a more consistent performance year to year in the future. They will catch at least two of the teams above them and like last year, as long as you get in the play-offs anything can happen!
Keep the faith.
HOCKEYGUY23
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Re: The University of Vermont Official 2010-2011 Season Thread : Part 1
It's not time for Sneddon to go. I am sure the guys sitting in the stands weren't happy about the Wahs ordeal. But Wahs was an enigma, great when he wanted to play and useless when he didn't. These guys are men, if they need a coach to inspire them then quit playing. Who inspires all of us who work day in and day out. If Sneddon and the staff misjudged these guys then that's there mistake. How many NHL teams draft players who never sign. All these coaches believe in these kids and hope they can be what's expected. Doesn't always happen.
I am glad the sitting players aren't happy about the horrible season. Why would they be?
I am sure guys are happy not to be playing, but who should be playing. Maybe one Herrington. Again, I am glad they are upset they aren't playing. If they were happy then they aren't true athletes. All athletes want to play.
Sneddon is a terrific coach and he isn't the problem. Maybe he doesn't make a ton of in game line changes or adjustments, but the problem is simple. UVM lost Irwin, Roloff, Vock, Higgins, Anctil, Pacan and Culitty and replace them with Brickley, Lenz, Decenzo, White and Bruneteau. The new players today are where the old players where last year. Frankly, UVM was slightly above 500 last year, we lost alot and the young players aren't ready to fill the spots that were lost. The freshman class now will likely be better in the end but they aren't there yet.
It's not time for Sneddon to go. I am sure the guys sitting in the stands weren't happy about the Wahs ordeal. But Wahs was an enigma, great when he wanted to play and useless when he didn't. These guys are men, if they need a coach to inspire them then quit playing. Who inspires all of us who work day in and day out. If Sneddon and the staff misjudged these guys then that's there mistake. How many NHL teams draft players who never sign. All these coaches believe in these kids and hope they can be what's expected. Doesn't always happen.
I am glad the sitting players aren't happy about the horrible season. Why would they be?
I am sure guys are happy not to be playing, but who should be playing. Maybe one Herrington. Again, I am glad they are upset they aren't playing. If they were happy then they aren't true athletes. All athletes want to play.
Sneddon is a terrific coach and he isn't the problem. Maybe he doesn't make a ton of in game line changes or adjustments, but the problem is simple. UVM lost Irwin, Roloff, Vock, Higgins, Anctil, Pacan and Culitty and replace them with Brickley, Lenz, Decenzo, White and Bruneteau. The new players today are where the old players where last year. Frankly, UVM was slightly above 500 last year, we lost alot and the young players aren't ready to fill the spots that were lost. The freshman class now will likely be better in the end but they aren't there yet.
Re: The University of Vermont Official 2010-2011 Season Thread : Part 1
FYI - For the folks heading to Merrimack this weekend. They are offering a 2-1 deal on tickets. Buy a ticket for Friday night's game and get one for Saturday's free.
http://warriorrinkrat.com/
FYI - For the folks heading to Merrimack this weekend. They are offering a 2-1 deal on tickets. Buy a ticket for Friday night's game and get one for Saturday's free.
http://warriorrinkrat.com/
Re: The University of Vermont Official 2010-2011 Season Thread : Part 1
You know the visiting team sucks when the home team has to give away free tickets to watch you play...
You know the visiting team sucks when the home team has to give away free tickets to watch you play...
UVM Cat in Texas
Now UVM Cat in Georgia
Re: The University of Vermont Official 2010-2011 Season Thread : Part 1
...or the home team has trouble filling its rink.
irishfan85
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Re: The University of Vermont Official 2010-2011 Season Thread : Part 1
That's hilarious to hear attendance issues and team success coming from a Brown fan. Must have short term memory.
That's hilarious to hear attendance issues and team success coming from a Brown fan. Must have short term memory.
Ogilthorpe
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Re: The University of Vermont Official 2010-2011 Season Thread : Part 1
interesting nugget i found. you can look up guys career fight card and i stumbled on Peter Lenes' only career fight in 2004 in the USHL prior to attending UVM...his opponent, soon to be classmate Corey Carlson....wonder if they got along at UVM. they both received game ejections.
saw Dennis Kravchenko play at KUA on saturday (coming to uvm 12'-13'). tiny little guy with great speed, good hands and instincts but can't weigh more than 120 lbs....i'm sure the staff has told him to hit the weight room.
interesting nugget i found. you can look up guys career fight card and i stumbled on Peter Lenes' only career fight in 2004 in the USHL prior to attending UVM...his opponent, soon to be classmate Corey Carlson....wonder if they got along at UVM. they both received game ejections.
saw Dennis Kravchenko play at KUA on saturday (coming to uvm 12'-13'). tiny little guy with great speed, good hands and instincts but can't weigh more than 120 lbs....i'm sure the staff has told him to hit the weight room.