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The Top 25 College Hockey Teams of the NCAA Era

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I'll let it go and get out of this thread. But if you do a "Greatest Programs of ALL-TIME" thread again, you better be crystal clear and HONEST about your approach. I would suggest keeping everything to "Best of the NCAA Era", because you clearly have no appreciation or understanding of the era beforehand.

And if you say you were and/or do, we're back to square one because you clearly were not and do not.

Most people enjoy the work that FS23 does for the sake of discussion about college hockey... Don't like it? Don't read it. Going to get out of this thread? I think I speak for most when saying don't let the door hit your ***** on the way out...
 
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Thank you. You are exactly right, the intended purpose of the thread was to have fun and talk about the teams that are on the list.

It is going to be about a week before #14 gets revealed, and I would like to hear some cool stories about the 1966-1967 Cornell squad from those of you who remember that squad.

Best place to ask that question is probably over at ELynah. I'll link them your work and see if any of them have some stories that they'd like to share.
 
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It's crazy looking at Dryden's stats...the kid went 76-4-1, and could have easily won two more national titles.

That is another reason that I voted for the RPI-Cornell game on 12/4/68 as one of my favorite games on your other thread and use the picture of the GWG OT goal for my avatar on ELynah. :D
 
You use this argument in every thread you infect, as if to suggest that should some lunatic run into the middle of a busy intersection everyone else would be able to just ignore him. The topic is supposed to be fun and all you have done is suck the fun right out of it. If "you have no qualms about carrying this for weeks" that's pretty pathetic.

That has become my intention.
 
Most people enjoy the work that FS23 does for the sake of discussion about college hockey... Don't like it? Don't read it. Going to get out of this thread? I think I speak for most when saying don't let the door hit your ***** on the way out...

Because you clearly can't read...


Has nothing to do with his rankings, and each time people get involved and make this argument about all the things it's not, it just starts things up again and makes things worse.

If you want the argument to stop, then I suggest everyone stop, because I have no qualms about carrying this on for weeks.

That was only the 10-12th time I've clarified that (see bolded text above).
 
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FS23 - Did you create a database to store all of your statistical information, or do you have it all in spreadsheet form? Just curious because I have all of the Gopher's historical statistics in an Access database and was thinking about expanding that out to the entire WCHA\Big Ten. Was curious to know how you compiled your data.
 
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Most people enjoy the work that FS23 does for the sake of discussion about college hockey... Don't like it? Don't read it. Going to get out of this thread? I think I speak for most when saying don't let the door hit your ***** on the way out...

I think everyone likes it and appreciates it save for one ...........FS23 does lots of these things and even keeps us occupied during off season as well, Thanks FS23
 
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Thank you. You are exactly right, the intended purpose of the thread was to have fun and talk about the teams that are on the list.

It seems to me that your formula might overweight, very slightly, teams from that period of time in which the Tournament included 16 teams relative to the other three 'eras' that preceded it (I will return to that in a moment).

I would be very curious to see your list further subdivided to be a 'top 5 teams of the 4-team tournament team era', a 'top 5 teams of the 8-team tournament era', a 'top 5 teams of the 12-team tournament era' and a 'top 5 teams of the 16-team tournament era' without your tweak that attempted to equalize between these eras. It would be interesting then to see how people who like to have fun by discussing the teams on these four different lists respond. How would they vary their tweaks relative to the way you varied your tweaks to rank these teams relative to each other?

From the way you describe your formula, it appears that you might be treating several input variables as independent variables which seem actually to be interdependent variables. If this hypothesis is accurate, then the result might have 16-team era teams scores inadvertantly over-weighted by 1.0% to 2.0% (an overweight of 1.5% to 3.0% in one component of the formula, times how much that component is weighted). The result might be that 16-team era scores might be 2 points to 4 points 'too high' relative to other-era teams.

Not that big an impact, and yet given how close some of the scores are, it would scramble the rankings somewhat.
 
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Technical commentary: this post will involve some subtle mathematics, so be fore-warned.

I had mentioned a distinction between independent variable and interdependent variable. This is an analogy to illustrate the difference, even though at first it will appear to have nothing to do with hockey.

Suppose you are lucky enough to have some money to invest, and you let a money manager handle part of it. She charges you a management fee. She places part of the money in a mutual fund, which charges an administration fee and an advisory fee. The question is, what do you have left after fees?

The initial impulse is to say, "my fees are F1 + F2 + F3, and so after fees I have (1 - (F1 + F2 + F3)) * initial amount.

However, the amount each person charges in fees actually depends upon what the others have already charged in fees. In other words, the mutual fund advisory fee is only charged on what is left after the administration fee has been charged; and the money manager's fee is only charged on what is left after the mutual fund advisory fee has been charged.

The actual formula is (1-F1)*(1-F2)*(1-F3). This will always give you a higher number than (1-(F1+F2+F3)), although the difference will not be very large. [footnote]

It seems to me that something analogous happens with your formula in the 16-team era. Several different components of your formula are all affected by that expansion, and it sounds like you made a linear correction when a non-linear correction would have fit better.


[footnote: as long as 0 < F1, F2, F3 < 1 and F1+F2+F3 < 1 are true, then (1-F1)*(1-F2)*(1-F3) will always be larger than (1-(F1+F2+F3)), or Result-NonLinear is always larger than Result-Linear. Since the analog of these components would be divisors, then 1/R-L is always greater than 1/R-NL, by a small amount, hence the inadvertant minor overweight of results for teams that played in the 16-team era relative to earlier-era teams].
 
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I would be very curious to see your list further subdivided to be a 'top 5 teams of the 4-team tournament team era', a 'top 5 teams of the 8-team tournament era', a 'top 5 teams of the 12-team tournament era' and a 'top 5 teams of the 16-team tournament era' without your tweak that attempted to equalize between these eras. It would be interesting then to see how people who like to have fun by discussing the teams on these four different lists respond. How would they vary their tweaks relative to the way you varied your tweaks to rank these teams relative to each other?

It is too bad you were not around a few years ago when I first did this list (w/only champions). I divided the teams into three eras and ranked them that way (no tweak).

As for your suggestion of over-weighting, it is definitely a possibility, and that is why I stated initially that specific rankings should be taken with a grain of salt as realistically they could be +/- a couple spots. I'm not a statistician. Perhaps when this list is complete I'll send you my exact formula and we can take a look at it and improve it if necessary.
 
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It is too bad you were not around a few years ago when I first did this list (w/only champions). I divided the teams into three eras and ranked them that way (no tweak).

As for your suggestion of over-weighting, it is definitely a possibility, and that is why I stated initially that specific rankings should be taken with a grain of salt as realistically they could be +/- a couple spots. I'm not a statistician. Perhaps when this list is complete I'll send you my exact formula and we can take a look at it and improve it if necessary.


Before we look at the formula itself, I would first like to see the same list broken out into four eras, one each based on the number of teams that made the NCAA tournament that year. In fact, I can probably do that work myself....you are already posting your 'tweaked' scores which is fun to see; perhaps you can merely show the 'untweaked' scores for each of the different 'era' teams?

Of course, given that the teams are released once a week, that would be in February or March at this rate!
 
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Of course, given that the teams are released once a week, that would be in February or March at this rate!

As some of you may or may not know, College Hockey Weekly's web guy passed away this week. They are trying their best to do the work to get #14 out this Friday, but I just thought I would caution everyone that it may be a bit delayed.
 
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I realize from your prior news that CHN website has run into some unexpected problems. If those problems in updating their website persist indefinitely, do you drop the series or can you shift to posting the remaining teams here?
 
Re: The Top 25 College Hockey Teams of the NCAA Era

I realize from your prior news that CHN website has run into some unexpected problems. If those problems in updating their website persist indefinitely, do you drop the series or can you shift to posting the remaining teams here?

CHW website (I'm sure they would love to be confused with CHN though ;) )

#14 has been published...so it looks like they have someone updating the site somewhat.

(Direct Link to #14)

If for whatever reason they are unable to keep updating the site, I would post the teams here.
 
Re: The Top 25 College Hockey Teams of the NCAA Era

I'll let it go and get out of this thread. But if you do a "Greatest Programs of ALL-TIME" thread again, you better be crystal clear and HONEST about your approach. I would suggest keeping everything to "Best of the NCAA Era", because you clearly have no appreciation or understanding of the era beforehand.

And if you say you were and/or do, we're back to square one because you clearly were not and do not.

Dude, you care WAY too much. Honestly, it's a college hockey team ranking list, relax.
 
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