The Top 25 College Hockey Teams of the NCAA Era

[mariucci]

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And this isn't "defensive" or "condescending"?

The guy acts like he's THE authority on college hockey history.

If he had in fact read "that site", he wouldn't so easily discount the competitiveness of some of the so-called "amateur" programs of the era. And instead of learning about something he may have missed, he acts like a a-hole.

You arrogant Gopher fan you!! How dare you suggest 23 isn't the guru he claims to be, and dont dare have an opinion or question his autority again, less be ****ed!

 

[JDUBBS1280]

You arrogant Gopher fan you!! How dare you suggest 23 isn't the guru he claims to be, and dont dare have an opinion or question his autority again, less be ****ed!

About right

 

[vizoroo]

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FS23, I enjoy this site and appreciate the work you've done.
And I know I will appreciate it even more when 3 or 4 DU teams show up at or near the top of the list.

 

[FreshFish]

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I said as an example, did you miss that?
I also made it clear that when using SOC or SOS as part of the formula gets dicey which is why I would use a simple point system. Incase you missed that part as well. It was a suggestion, but I suppose you didn;'t read it that way, am I right?

As far as ranking a program which 23 is tempting you would need to tally each season correct? Or do you just shoot in the dark? Read my post, were it says EXAMPLE, read that a few times, heck maybe even write it out on the chalkboard a couple hundred times until it sinks in..

And to 23, my post was intended to be a suggestion, but the weak minded would like to turn that into something entirely different...

Yes, you gave some EXAMPLES that upon examination were a bit problematic. I don't care about ground-dwelling rodents with stripes on their backs or pugilistic native american mascots or any other chest-thumping, although it is mildly entertaining like visiting the primate house at the zoo.

You want to dismiss his formula, fine, you are asked to present one that you would prefer and you start to hem and haw...."I merely gave EXAMPLES because actually thinking it through would be ....." what?

 

[West Texas Wolverine]

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Dammit! There aren't enough Michigan teams listed! Re-work the formula! I don't know what specific change you should make - just do it!

I just wanted to be a part of all this.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

Yes, you gave some EXAMPLES that upon examination were a bit problematic. I don't care about ground-dwelling rodents with stripes on their backs or pugilistic native american mascots or any other chest-thumping, although it is mildly entertaining like visiting the primate house at the zoo.

You want to dismiss his formula, fine, you are asked to present one that you would prefer and you start to hem and haw...."I merely gave EXAMPLES because actually thinking it through would be ....." what?

To be fair, I think he did provide an example of what formula he would have used. You just didn't take the time to read what he had to say.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

Dammit! There aren't enough Michigan teams listed! Re-work the formula! I don't know what specific change you should make - just do it!

I just wanted to be a part of all this.

Just to reiterate. I don't have a problem with his formula, the results, or this thread. I just didn't like being lied to by FS23 in another thread, and then guilted into an apology. And so, I am letting him know about it, despite what that might do to THIS thread.

 

[FreshFish]

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To be fair, I think he did provide an example of what formula he would have used. You just didn't take the time to read what he had to say.

Actually, I did read what he had to say and I gave him a serious, thoughtful response. I noted that the general nature of his formula would reward each team that won a championship the same point total.

In other words, while any one of his various examples would work if you were trying to develop a formula to rank programs over a multi-year time span, none of the examples he gave would work to rank various teams.

Suppose you wanted to develop a way to determine which Minnesota team was the greatest of all time for the long, storied, gloried Minnesota program (did you know it began in something like 1901? That is 110 years of history!). How would you do it?

and no, I am not putting Minnesota down in some weird obscure way by complimenting it.

 

[FreshFish]

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Just to reiterate. ... . I just didn't like being lied to by FS23 in another thread, and then guilted into an apology. And so, I am letting him know about it, despite what that might do to THIS thread.

In my day, if this were a bar and all of us were drinking together, we'd ask the two of you to step outside and settle it without involving the rest of us.

Pity the poor bartender, if nothing else, why smash up his tables and chairs when he has nothing to do with your dispute?

 

[JDUBBS1280]

Actually, I did read what he had to say and I gave him a serious, thoughtful response. I noted that the general nature of his formula would reward each team that won a championship the same point total.

Then this.....

You want to dismiss his formula, fine, you are asked to present one that you would prefer..

Made no sense.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

In my day, if this were a bar and all of us were drinking together, we'd ask the two of you to step outside and settle it without involving the rest of us.

Pity the poor bartender, if nothing else, why smash up his tables and chairs when he has nothing to do with your dispute?

And during my time in the military, we had a way to handle people like you as well

I never claimed to be a saint. I'm upset and I'm letting FS23 know about it. You're just adding fuel to the fire.

And again, this isn't a provincial argument with me. I haven't even looked at his rankings. This is about FS23's approach to handling criticism in the past, the fact that he lied to me, and then guilted me into making an apology.

 

[mariucci]

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Yes, you gave some EXAMPLES that upon examination were a bit problematic. I don't care about ground-dwelling rodents with stripes on their backs or pugilistic native american mascots or any other chest-thumping, although it is mildly entertaining like visiting the primate house at the zoo.

You want to dismiss his formula, fine, you are asked to present one that you would prefer and you start to hem and haw...."I merely gave EXAMPLES because actually thinking it through would be ....." what?

Let me slow this down for you..

By removing the grey area you lessen the debate. I also said that regardless of the formula a quick "off the cuff" glance at the numbers wouldn't put the Gophs any higher on a list. To summarize, it has nothing to do with where the Gophs are ranked. Understood? I dont care if its the Fighting Canucks or the Minnesota Badgers, makes no nevermind to me.

I also stated that regardless of who made the formula that coincedentally put their beloved program in the top would catch some flack, a fighting canuck, rodent, minnesota badger etc.. This is a forumn that attracts a wide array of college hockey fans with input.. Understood yet?

And I just caught your internet tough guy routine with JDubbs, tell ya what champ I work for a Dakota Cty police department with a gym you can use to get rid of all that needless aggresion you have for free, its a fully equipped gym. And holy smokes wouldn't ya know it, theres a few of us Gopher fans you can try and have your old school ways with (that is how you did things back in your day right-your words, not mine)...

 

[GrinCDXX]

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And during my time in the military, we had a way to handle people like you as well

I never claimed to be a saint. I'm upset and I'm letting FS23 know about it. You're just adding fuel to the fire.

And again, this isn't a provincial argument with me. I haven't even looked at his rankings. This is about FS23's approach to handling criticism in the past, the fact that he lied to me, and then guilted me into making an apology.

Could you at least quit with the faces? It obviously wasn't a good natured comment...just a pathetic tough guy routine.

 

[mariucci]

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Could you at least quit with the faces? It obviously wasn't a good natured comment...just a pathetic tough guy routine.

Pretty sure he was replying to the internet tough guy "freshfish" who dealt with things the old school way..

 

[UncleRay]

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My criticism isn't with his formula, or the results. It is with which portions of hockey history he decided were and were not worthy of consideration (not this thread, but the best overall programs).

Asked and answered over and over and OVER AGAIN. We got it. Really. All of us. Every single one of us who is desperately trying to follow this thread. Now do all of us a gigantic favor and shut the **** up!

 

[JDUBBS1280]

Could you at least quit with the faces? It obviously wasn't a good natured comment...just a pathetic tough guy routine.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

Asked and answered over and over and OVER AGAIN. We got it. Really. All of us. Every single one of us who is desperately trying to follow this thread. Now do all of us a gigantic favor and shut the **** up!

My point isn't to explain something. We're long past that point, and the point of doing anyone any favors.

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[FreshFish]

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Made no sense.

Aha, a grammatical purist.

If I may explicate by adding appropriate modifiers while remaining true to the meaning and intent of the original?

In my initial response, I noticed that he said he did not want to use conference schedules, that he only wanted to include tournament performance in his formula. He gave various examples, and every one of them had in common the same consideration: each tournament winning team would have the same score.

While that is fine if you are ranking programs, it is not at all useful if you are ranking individual teams. I then asked him how he would address that meta-consideration, if you will.

He then responded in an evasive and complaining manner. And then you are right, I flamed him. Yes, I did get carried away...but only the second time.

 

[FreshFish]

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Pretty sure he was replying to the internet tough guy "freshfish" who dealt with things the old school way....

by asking two other people to settle their differences elsewhere, so the rest of us wouldn't have to hear their back and forth??

How is that a "tough guy"?

 

[mariucci]

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Ok enough of my bantor..

No more semantics from me, time for me to catch a nap before my shift begins. I hate working fri nights, but some of the drunks make for great stories..

To clarify, I like the idea 23, and im sure the end results would be close to the same (my suggestion would be to minimize or eliminate the grey areas wherever possible, not that my suggestion means a darn), I think the proof is in the pudding "ncaa titles" (not to be confused with league championships)..