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The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...

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Don't count the SUNYAC loser out of the Pool C just yet. I believe both Stevens Point AND Hobart are playing for the Pool B and that's it. One gets it, the other goes home. I DO NOT believe Mass-Boston is a legitimate Pool C candidate given their pathetic SOS. I think they are there to build up the credentials of Babson and Norwich and will be dismissed during the last meeting without question. I also believe Trinity deserves a Pool C and should get one. In the event that anyone not named Amherst wins the NESCAC tourney, Amherst could be out because it's unlikely that the other two 2 Pool C's would come from NESCAC. NCAA will NOT pick 3 teams from same conference unless it's undeniable.

I think Norwich is in pretty good shape for at least a Pool C. Plattsburgh needs more help than Oswego. Should Norwich, Amherst & Adrian win the Cardinal chances are decent. In that case the Pool C's would be Trinity, Plattsburgh and either St. Norbert or Stevens Point. Oswego wouldn't need things to work out quite as well for them to get in. I think they'll be fine as long as TWO of those aforementioned teams comes away with their tourneys.
 
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PSUChamps2001 said:
Agree. I don't have as much of an issue as we have seen in years past and maybe I am selling those non-hockey minds short. One thing people forget is that things can change with one game (especially if its a loss/win to the right person). I still would like to see "hockey" minds only on the committee, but then again too many hockey minds and they would get away from the criteria more and more possibly. I just don't see the reason why they can't sit down and go team by team as to why they were selected and publish all rankings. There should be no hiding and an explanation, and no "Coach McShane told us to do it this way" is NOT one of them like some believe....
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3 non-hockeys, 2 of them AD's, and one Asst AD.
 
peddler said:
3 non-hockeys, 2 of them AD's, and one Asst AD.
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Correct and as I said maybe I'm not judging them fairly enough, but if you've ever talked to a non hockey sports fan and tried to explain the game, let alone the selection process you normally get blank stairs. Just my opinion but because you are a suit and tie administration doesn't mean you understand the game enough.
 
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PSUChamps2001 said:
Correct and as I said maybe I'm not judging them fairly enough, but if you've ever talked to a non hockey sports fan and tried to explain the game, let alone the selection process you normally get blank stairs. Just my opinion but because you are a suit and tie administration doesn't mean you understand the game enough.
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And here I am a lightweight hs football/track jock, who was always relegated to pond hockey goalie when we were kids cause I couldn't skate to save my life :o
 
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Cards81 said:
Don't count the SUNYAC loser out of the Pool C just yet. I believe both Stevens Point AND Hobart are playing for the Pool B and that's it. One gets it, the other goes home.

....Should Norwich, Amherst & Adrian win the Cardinal chances are decent. In that case the Pool C's would be Trinity, Plattsburgh and either St. Norbert or Stevens Point.
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Let's assume your scenario above happens (Norwich, Amherst and Adrian all win). If Hobart also wins and Plattsburgh loses, I don't see the committee giving a Pool C to Plattsburgh over Hobart. I think Platty would be fighting it out with SNC, UMB and W-EC for the last Pool C.
 
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See the other site for bracketology III. Still an 8/3 split with Hobart traveling to Adrian.
 
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llama said:
Let's assume your scenario above happens (Norwich, Amherst and Adrian all win). If Hobart also wins and Plattsburgh loses, I don't see the committee giving a Pool C to Plattsburgh over Hobart. I think Platty would be fighting it out with SNC, UMB and W-EC for the last Pool C.
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It will all depend on what the committee weights this year. The biggest thing Hobart needs to hope for is Nichols to win their conference (leading 2-0 end of 2 currently) to get at least 1 positive for the RNK. A goose-egg in RNK normally does NOT sit well. Plattsburgh currently has 1 win and 2 ties in the RNK. In years past its played a major impact. 2nd thing "Common Opponent". Plattsburgh now sits a 7-3-1 (.660) and Hobart 3-2-0 (.600) even with a Plattsburgh loss 7-4-1 (.604) they would still win that as well. Hobart would take the Win % with a win and Plattsburgh loss (.778 to .741). Hobart also holds the SOS (don't get me started) and would win the Last 25 5-1-1 vs. 7-0-0, again another stat that should more depend on who you've played but isn't.

So if Hobart wins we have:
Win % Hobart
COP Plattsburgh
RNK Plattsburgh
H2H - wash
Last 25 Hobart
SOS Hobart

If Hobart loses, I don't see them overtaking Plattsburgh in any way. The key thing is what will the committee weight more. If they choose RNK and COP, Plattsburgh is in. If they choose SOS (which they didn't last year) Hobart is in.
 
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joecct said:
See the other site for bracketology III. Still an 8/3 split with Hobart traveling to Adrian.
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Webb makes it sound so......logical :cool: because he sticks with what is, and won't speculate about what might/should be.
 
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llama said:
Let's assume your scenario above happens (Norwich, Amherst and Adrian all win). If Hobart also wins and Plattsburgh loses, I don't see the committee giving a Pool C to Plattsburgh over Hobart. I think Platty would be fighting it out with SNC, UMB and W-EC for the last Pool C.
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No point whatsoever in attempting to reason with PSUC. She will (evidently) stay up all night to concoct a cliff for PSU's nearest competitor to fall off, even if she makes no particular sense in the process. She really should have been on OJ's defense team; she uses the same tactics of obfuscation, and she's hoping that The Committee plays their usual Three-Card-Monte in choosing the field. After all, the "criteria" are just a loose set of BS constructs designed to give the politicians free-reign to unaccountably pick and choose as they desire.

Still, if Hobart wins v. Neumann and OSU beats the Cards, the Statesmen get in ahead of Platty if there is a shred of justice in the process. (Yeah, I know...)
 
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peddler said:
Webb makes it sound so......logical :cool: because he sticks with what is, and won't speculate about what might/should be.
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Ha, I'll drop in here to emphasize that what I'm trying to do is stay within the confines of an imperfect process in the best and most fair way possible. It is our interpretation thereof and absolutely not a prediction of what the committee will do. Doing the latter is ultimately impossible without knowing final regional rankings. Thanks for reading :)
 
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No point whatsoever in attempting to reason with PSUC. She will (evidently) stay up all night to concoct a cliff for PSU's nearest competitor to fall off, even if she makes no particular sense in the process. She really should have been on OJ's defense team; she uses the same tactics of obfuscation, and she's hoping that The Committee plays their usual Three-Card-Monte in choosing the field. After all, the "criteria" are just a loose set of BS constructs designed to give the politicians free-reign to unaccountably pick and choose as they desire.

Still, if Hobart wins v. Neumann and OSU beats the Cards, the Statesmen get in ahead of Platty if there is a shred of justice in the process. (Yeah, I know...)
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She is a he.
 
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I don't get the discussion of Plattsburgh vs. Hobart anyway. Plattsburgh, as the rankings stand now, never even gets to the table. Did everyone forget the UMass Boston is still between Plattsburgh and Hobart (not to mention Norwich, who we are all assuming will win on Saturday...not a given - Babson has been here before...)? Plattsburgh is not going to jump two or three places in the rankings after a loss to Oswego. The Cardinals already know they need to win or go home. Hobart knows it needs to win and have Saturday go mostly according to plan (an Oswego win wouldn't hurt the Statesman's chances).
 
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joecct said:
See the other site for bracketology III. Still an 8/3 split with Hobart traveling to Adrian.
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For everyone knocking the system, look on the bright side: the women are steaming toward a scenario where the West #1 seed would have to play at the East #1 seed in the first round (Adrian @ Elmira). The women's process states flights are to be avoided at all costs (once the teams are selected) even at the expense of any sort of bracket integrity.
 
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spwood said:
I don't get the discussion of Plattsburgh vs. Hobart anyway. Plattsburgh, as the rankings stand now, never even gets to the table. Did everyone forget the UMass Boston is still between Plattsburgh and Hobart (not to mention Norwich, who we are all assuming will win on Saturday...not a given - Babson has been here before...)? Plattsburgh is not going to jump two or three places in the rankings after a loss to Oswego. The Cardinals already know they need to win or go home. Hobart knows it needs to win and have Saturday go mostly according to plan (an Oswego win wouldn't hurt the Statesman's chances).
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While I agree that for Plattsburgh it is a win or go home game Sat. but how many times have we seen a Plattsburgh or Oswego not get the SUNYAC bid and think that there is no chance they won't get a bid anyway only to have a lower ranked team receive a bid and not them. It seems that every year a team or 2 get bids over teams that should have got them, this could be the year that Plattsburgh is one of those teams (if they do not win Saturday).
 
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Like I said, I don't see Mass-Boston getting in this tournament with their SOS. Committee just hates weak SOS. Although certainly no lock, I think Plattsburgh has a fighter's chance of claiming the last Pool C should things go their way in other games. That's all I'm saying. I've seen less qualified teams grab a spot in the past. I think it's all moot anyway, Plattsburgh is due to win one of these big games vs. Oswego. The law of averages. There virtually even. Go Cards !
 
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Cards81 said:
Like I said, I don't see Mass-Boston getting in this tournament with their SOS. Committee just hates weak SOS. Although certainly no lock, I think Plattsburgh has a fighter's chance of claiming the last Pool C should things go their way in other games. That's all I'm saying. I've seen less qualified teams grab a spot in the past. I think it's all moot anyway, Plattsburgh is due to win one of these big games vs. Oswego. The law of averages. There virtually even. Go Cards !
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OK, but what you are saying is that you think a Plattsburgh team that loses on Saturday is going to jump over two other teams (one of which won't play and the other can still win another game). The way the process works, Plattsburgh never gets considered until after Hobart and UMass Boston get into the field. Assuming Adrian, Amherst, Oswego, and Norwich all win, the teams up for Pool C (as the rankings stand Tuesday), Trinity, Hobart, UMass Boston all get shots at Pool C before Plattsburgh (not to mention St. Norbert on the other side). I just don't see a scenario where Plattsburgh has a prayer at a Pool C.

Edit: I guess they only have to jump UMass Boston. If the committee felt that way, why not drop them below Plattsburgh on Tuesday? UMass dropping one more spot Tuesday wouldn't have raised any eyebrows. Them dropping behind another team that lost its only game of the week? Oh wait, that was Trinity just last year. Maybe it is possible.
 
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