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The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...

Re: The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...

UCBadger said:
KRACH as of Early Thurs AM:

14 Hobart 295.8 .7242 16t 8-4-0 0.6667 2.000 15 156.6
15 Neumann 290.6 .7211 16t 7-3-2 0.6667 2.000 18 153.9
16 Nazareth 267.4 .7059 33t 5-5-3 0.5000 1.000 1 267.4
17 Utica 232.1 .6791 32 6-5-3 0.5357 1.154 5 203.1
18 Elmira 229.5 .6769 27t 5-4-2 0.5455 1.200 6 194.2

verrrrrry interesting......
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I agree.

That's the W this season. Every team in the conference is pretty good, but none of them appear to be good enough to end-up with the W/L necessary to get a bid. I expect they'll eat their young again this season and be left out. (And yes, to compound the problem, their collective OOC results are not impressive, either.)
 
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joecct said:
After Sundae - based on my computer rankings.
1. Trinity, Oswego, Norwich, Plattsburgh, River Falls
6. Amherst, St. Norbert, Stevens Point, Babson, Adrian
11. Eau-Claire, Mass-Boston, Williams, St. Thomas, Utica

Does not count games vs. D-II or games vs. Aurora or Daniel Webster. Does count Canton
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Interesting! The top offensive team and the two top defensive teams in the nation are in your second tier.
 
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joecct said:
Just look at W's and L's. Margins don't figure in.
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So, River Falls has a loss to an unranked; Oswego has 2 losses two unranked teams; Plattsburg has two L's and they're all in your top tier; while SNC with on loss to a Top 10 team is in the second tier? What kind of computer do you use?
 
snc11 said:
So, River Falls has a loss to an unranked; Oswego has 2 losses two unranked teams; Plattsburg has two L's and they're all in your top tier; while SNC with on loss to a Top 10 team is in the second tier? What kind of computer do you use?
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One that calculates RPI. I wonder what Prof's computer rankings will be on the other site. About the only thing different in our source data is he counts all the games, while i only count the games that count.
 
Ecac/w

Ecac/w

Fishman'81 said:
That's the W this season. Every team in the conference is pretty good, but none of them appear to be good enough to end-up with the W/L necessary to get a bid. I expect they'll eat their young again this season and be left out. (And yes, to compound the problem, their collective OOC results are not impressive, either.)
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Neither poll has an ECAC/W team ranked, and I'd debate with you the assertion that "every team in the conference is pretty good." Rather ... every team in the conference is mediocre.

I realize that conferences change from season to season, but, without a Pool A bid, the strength of the Western conferences, and the prospect of tuition debt, I'm rationally pessimistic about the ECAC/W's future. (that is unless RIT decides to jump back to D3, considering their very recent success, and the lack of fan support - TIC)
 
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joecct said:
One that calculates RPI. I wonder what Prof's computer rankings will be on the other site. About the only thing different in our source data is he counts all the games, while i only count the games that count.
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I've never been a fan of allowing computers to sort out things such as rankings. How about looking at the games? For instance, why not look at how Concordia MN did against Norwich or River Falls and how they did against SNC? What about how Norwich or Oswego did against Buf State verses how SNC did against them? Look at Hamilton. They have played 3 east ranked teams to draws, but lose in their only matchup with a west non-powerhouse team. I suppose you could make that argument for Neumann's win over Adrian as well…and others. I look at River Falls and SNC's games against St. Johns. River Falls wins 4-0 and is outshot 22-14 by St. Johns. If they play 10 times, St. Johns wins 6. SNC plays St. Johns to a 0-0 draw, but outshoots them 45-25 (31 more shots than RF). If they play 10 times SNC wins 7. Computers just can't see those kinds of things. Your computer has St. Thomas in the third tier after just shutting out top tier River Falls. The point being that RPI means very little. You have to get out there and look at the teams play.
 
Re: Ecac/w

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elbojpb said:
Neither poll has an ECAC/W team ranked, and I'd debate with you the assertion that "every team in the conference is pretty good." Rather ... every team in the conference is mediocre.
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I think "pretty good" is more accurate a description that "mediocre", based on OOC results, but that and $5 will get you a latte at Starbucks.
 
Touché

Touché

Fishman'81 said:
I think "pretty good" is more accurate a description that "mediocre", based on OOC results, but that and $5 will get you a latte at Starbucks.
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The most recent iteration of the Inter-Conference Records has the ECAC/W as only second to the WIAC in winning percentage, just ahead of the SUNYAC.

I'll give you "pretty good." Having the best Inter-conference Record in the East, and not one team in either poll's top 15 is tough to explain!? Parity is all I can conjure up on a Friday morning, and doesn't bode well come Pool B/C selection Sunday.
 
Re: Touché

Re: Touché

elbojpb said:
The most recent iteration of the Inter-Conference Records has the ECAC/W as only second to the WIAC in winning percentage, just ahead of the SUNYAC.

I'll give you "pretty good." Having the best Inter-conference Record in the East, and not one team in either poll's top 15 is tough to explain!? Parity is all I can conjure up on a Friday morning, and doesn't bode well come Pool B/C selection Sunday.
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"Parity" is definitely a good description. Another one that comes to mind for me at this point in the season is "good, but not good enough". :(
 
elbojpb said:
The most recent iteration of the Inter-Conference Records has the ECAC/W as only second to the WIAC in winning percentage, just ahead of the SUNYAC.

I'll give you "pretty good." Having the best Inter-conference Record in the East, and not one team in either poll's top 15 is tough to explain!? Parity is all I can conjure up on a Friday morning, and doesn't bode well come Pool B/C selection Sunday.
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Because the conference suicides against each other. You need a team to run off and hide in the regular season, much the way Point did ladt year and Utica the year before.
 
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For what it's worth... (I haven't done the other leagues yet but here's a small sample)

ECAC West "Wins" teams winning % - .416%
SUNYAC "Wins" teams winning % - .456

ECAC West "Loss" teams winning % - .664
SUNYAC "Loss" teams winning % - .614

ECAC West "Ties" teams winning % - .605
SUNYAC "Ties" teams winning % - .514

So while the ECAC West's loses may have come to "better" teams, they haven't beaten the quality teams either. (this goes back to my "who have you beat") Then again if they could have squeezed out a few more win's instead of ties their "Wins vs winning teams" would probably be up a little more.
 
elbojpb said:
The most recent iteration of the Inter-Conference Records has the ECAC/W as only second to the WIAC in winning percentage, just ahead of the SUNYAC.

I'll give you "pretty good." Having the best Inter-conference Record in the East, and not one team in either poll's top 15 is tough to explain!? Parity is all I can conjure up on a Friday morning, and doesn't bode well come Pool B/C selection Sunday.
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Thanks for the link. Hadn't bothered to look for it, but it was an interesting read.

The W hasn't looked all that great the past couple of years, granted... Thing is, that conference doesn't have a second-tier of cupcakes, as so many others do. Ergo, nobody in the W is going to fatten-up on many bad teams and go .500 vs. a few good teams, which usually results in a gaudy (on-paper) record come selection time.

Having seen Plattsburgh, Oswego, Trinity and Amherst this season, I wouldn't predict that any one of them would rack-up the requisite W/L to get a Pool C bid if they were playing in the W this season, even in this off-year.
 
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Re: The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...

Having seen Utica play, they are a 4th or 5th place team in the SUNYAC.
 
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Possibly, or possibly 3rd or 4th... Maybe even better.

I'll tell you this: I'd bet the farm that UC would have a much better in-conference win % in the SUNYAC over the years than they've earned had in the W, and I believe the same could be said of Hobart, M'ville, Elmira and Neumann.
 
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That's probably true. In the past, the bottom of the SUNYAC has been killed by the West. But Brockport and sometimes Buffalo, Cortland and even Morrisville have shown signs of life this year. It's firming up at the bottom somewhat. A while back, the West feasted on poor Leb Valley and Neumann, both quite brutal as I recall. The worst of them, Leb Valley, just up and quit.
 
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Here we go again - my top 15 based on the computer...
Code: 
Current	Name	RPI
 1 	Trinity	 0.6183 
 2 	Oswego	 0.6028 
 3 	Wisconsin-River Falls	 0.6014 
 4 	Amherst	 0.5915 
 5 	Norwich	 0.5895 
 6 	St. Norbert	 0.5895 
 7 	Wisconsin-Stevens Point	 0.5870 
 8 	Plattsburgh	 0.5817 
 9 	Adrian	 0.5748 
 10 	Massachusetts-Boston	 0.5744 
 11 	Babson	 0.5699 
 12 	Hobart	 0.5674 
 13 	St. Thomas	 0.5663 
 14 	Williams	 0.5660 
 15 	Utica	 0.5611
 
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Call the IT guy !! Computer couldn't comprehend Oswego loss to Southeastern Delaware or whoever that team was lol !!!!
 
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Cards81 said:
Call the IT guy !! Computer couldn't comprehend Oswego loss to Southeastern Delaware or whoever that team was lol !!!!
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Since SNHU is a D-II school it does not count towards primary selection. Game against D-II, Aurora, and Daniel Webster are ignored as they won't count in the smoke filled room.
 
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Has that been confirmed that D2 games do not count in primary criteria. I've heard that it now does?? I even asked the question point blank to someone who would know and they said that this year, those D2 games count. Perhaps someone has a definitive answer.
 
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