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The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...
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PSUChamps2001
Member of the REAL Zoo Crew
Re: The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...
Not that is matters entirely here but let's not make it out to seem like UMB spends hours upon hours on a bus.
Over the past 3 years
UMB NC Opponents Average Distance: 50 miles
PSU NC Opponents Average Distance: 116 miles
UMB CONF Opponents Average Distance: 132 miles
PSU CONF Opponents Average Distance: 282 miles
UMB Combined Opponents Average Distance: 181 miles
PSU Combined Opponents Average Distance: 398 miles
While it today's economy saving a penny here and there is always encouraged, but when it comes down to it when you're consistently playing the Wentworths, UMass Dartmouth, Curry, Framingham State, Suffolk, Southern NH, and Tufts for a NC schedule don't come crying come selection time when you get left in the dark. Playing a schedule like that puts a lot of pressure on the Norwich game(s) and Babson. You're really banking on those teams ranked at seasons end.
Not that is matters entirely here but let's not make it out to seem like UMB spends hours upon hours on a bus.
Over the past 3 years
UMB NC Opponents Average Distance: 50 miles
PSU NC Opponents Average Distance: 116 miles
UMB CONF Opponents Average Distance: 132 miles
PSU CONF Opponents Average Distance: 282 miles
UMB Combined Opponents Average Distance: 181 miles
PSU Combined Opponents Average Distance: 398 miles
While it today's economy saving a penny here and there is always encouraged, but when it comes down to it when you're consistently playing the Wentworths, UMass Dartmouth, Curry, Framingham State, Suffolk, Southern NH, and Tufts for a NC schedule don't come crying come selection time when you get left in the dark. Playing a schedule like that puts a lot of pressure on the Norwich game(s) and Babson. You're really banking on those teams ranked at seasons end.
Re: The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...
how is the combined average higher than either the non-conference or the in-conference averages? wouldn't it be somewhere in between?
how is the combined average higher than either the non-conference or the in-conference averages? wouldn't it be somewhere in between?
NU Pastime
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Re: The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...
I'm a firm believer (and I'm assuming that everyone here is, too) that a strong athletic program does wonders for a school in a host of different ways, to include marketing, student experience, alumni relations, and a bunch of different ways that I could get into, but I'll spare people the rant. I noticed that UMass Boston is currently in the midst of an ambitious expansion/renovation of their campus, and I wonder if the funds required for that necessitate a tighter athletic budget?
I'm a firm believer (and I'm assuming that everyone here is, too) that a strong athletic program does wonders for a school in a host of different ways, to include marketing, student experience, alumni relations, and a bunch of different ways that I could get into, but I'll spare people the rant. I noticed that UMass Boston is currently in the midst of an ambitious expansion/renovation of their campus, and I wonder if the funds required for that necessitate a tighter athletic budget?
PSUChamps2001
Member of the REAL Zoo Crew
Re: The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...
Very much so. However that was exactly my point. We are making it out to be like UMass Boston puts more miles on their bus that makes you want to buy stock in Goodyear tires. Let's face it, UMass Boston rivals maybe only Utica for time spent on the bus in regards to a non-conference schedule. Over their last 3 years they've averaged about 50 miles to get to their NC opponent (and I only stopped at 3 because it was pretty repetitive). So then I came up with the "we travel so much in our conference" excuse and found that their conference opponents are on average 131 miles from UMB. So on average they're NC opponents are 50 miles and conference opponents are 131 miles away from UMB... not really road warriors. If a school is having that much of a budget crunch.....
Very much so. However that was exactly my point. We are making it out to be like UMass Boston puts more miles on their bus that makes you want to buy stock in Goodyear tires. Let's face it, UMass Boston rivals maybe only Utica for time spent on the bus in regards to a non-conference schedule. Over their last 3 years they've averaged about 50 miles to get to their NC opponent (and I only stopped at 3 because it was pretty repetitive). So then I came up with the "we travel so much in our conference" excuse and found that their conference opponents are on average 131 miles from UMB. So on average they're NC opponents are 50 miles and conference opponents are 131 miles away from UMB... not really road warriors. If a school is having that much of a budget crunch.....
Re: The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...
I took a 3 year look-back on their schedule and was floored by their obvious avoidance of all Non-Conference opponents that could beat them. I agree, don't come crying about your 20 wins and no Pool C bid. They could step out and play (at least) a quality NESCAC team without busting the travel budget. The Trinity game this year was quite surprising. I'm not saying they couldn't win some tough games....I'm asking why they don't seem to want to play any ??? Until they do, they should be given the same disrespect as Adrian has received in the past.
I took a 3 year look-back on their schedule and was floored by their obvious avoidance of all Non-Conference opponents that could beat them. I agree, don't come crying about your 20 wins and no Pool C bid. They could step out and play (at least) a quality NESCAC team without busting the travel budget. The Trinity game this year was quite surprising. I'm not saying they couldn't win some tough games....I'm asking why they don't seem to want to play any ??? Until they do, they should be given the same disrespect as Adrian has received in the past.
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elbojpb
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Interconference Records
Interconference Records
Especially when the MASCAC has displaced the perennial doormat ECAC/NE as the East's least competitive conference according to the Interconference Records. Even the NE-10 has a better interconference record than the MASCAC. UMB's opponents and opponents opponents records will pale by comparison to any other team in the mix.
Interconference Records
Especially when the MASCAC has displaced the perennial doormat ECAC/NE as the East's least competitive conference according to the Interconference Records. Even the NE-10 has a better interconference record than the MASCAC. UMB's opponents and opponents opponents records will pale by comparison to any other team in the mix.
No kidding. And, according to my computer rankings, it's not even close.
Re: The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...
Who's making it out that UMB are road warriors? I was giving them the benefit of the doubt that their schedule was due to laziness. They have so many teams right close by that they don't bother to schedule further away.
Who's making it out that UMB are road warriors? I was giving them the benefit of the doubt that their schedule was due to laziness. They have so many teams right close by that they don't bother to schedule further away.
PSUChamps2001
Member of the REAL Zoo Crew
Re: The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...
Simply pointing out that while yes there are a ton of teams with in an hour drive of UMB, expanding their horizons to playing QUALITY teams is not a "haul" compared to what other DIII teams do. The fact that they hardly travel to begin with even within their own conference, if "travel costs" is an issue they may want to reconsider. I'm sure a lot of WIAC/NCHA teams would love to average around 131 miles for their opponents. Their longest trip is 219 miles to St.Mikes. 7 of the 8 SUNYAC teams are 220+ miles from Plattsburgh. FWIW the UMB Women have traveled to Buff State for a NC matchup. They also send their girls up to Colby and Bowdoin on a rotating basis for a 1 game night. 3+ hours for one game....
As I said, if you want to sit around playing creampuffs on your schedule, when it comes selection time you can't come crying that you got left out after playing Framingham State, Tufts, Suffolk, Southern NH....Luckily for UMB they, unlike Adrian, have decent "respectable" team(s) in their conference. You go anywhere below .500 against Norwich/Babson with that non-conference schedule, forget it. Thankfully we don't have a mass of Beacon fans invading the board claiming they are the team to beat in all of college hockey. It was less than 10 years ago that UMB was 0-23-3 with a team full of low end Junior and prep school kids to a team this year FULL of NAHL, BCHL, and DI Transfers. Obviously the school and its athletic department have shown signs of wanting an improved hockey program. Are they not playing "better" DIII opponents because they need to save travel budget money? Maybe. Are they not playing "better" DIII opponents because they are trying to pad the stats? Make you wonder. Maybe becoming a DIII contender is so new they don't see the writing on the wall that in order to become respectful, beating up on MASCAC and other weak teams isn't the route to go.
Simply pointing out that while yes there are a ton of teams with in an hour drive of UMB, expanding their horizons to playing QUALITY teams is not a "haul" compared to what other DIII teams do. The fact that they hardly travel to begin with even within their own conference, if "travel costs" is an issue they may want to reconsider. I'm sure a lot of WIAC/NCHA teams would love to average around 131 miles for their opponents. Their longest trip is 219 miles to St.Mikes. 7 of the 8 SUNYAC teams are 220+ miles from Plattsburgh. FWIW the UMB Women have traveled to Buff State for a NC matchup. They also send their girls up to Colby and Bowdoin on a rotating basis for a 1 game night. 3+ hours for one game....
As I said, if you want to sit around playing creampuffs on your schedule, when it comes selection time you can't come crying that you got left out after playing Framingham State, Tufts, Suffolk, Southern NH....Luckily for UMB they, unlike Adrian, have decent "respectable" team(s) in their conference. You go anywhere below .500 against Norwich/Babson with that non-conference schedule, forget it. Thankfully we don't have a mass of Beacon fans invading the board claiming they are the team to beat in all of college hockey. It was less than 10 years ago that UMB was 0-23-3 with a team full of low end Junior and prep school kids to a team this year FULL of NAHL, BCHL, and DI Transfers. Obviously the school and its athletic department have shown signs of wanting an improved hockey program. Are they not playing "better" DIII opponents because they need to save travel budget money? Maybe. Are they not playing "better" DIII opponents because they are trying to pad the stats? Make you wonder. Maybe becoming a DIII contender is so new they don't see the writing on the wall that in order to become respectful, beating up on MASCAC and other weak teams isn't the route to go.
Re: The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...
You and I are making the same point, Remy. I'm saying that they don't schedule better teams because they have so many games close to them. I agree with you that they are cream puffs. I also agree that without a change, it would seem that Pool A is their only NCAA option (unless they can piggyback Norwich and Babson's SOS to a higher NCAA ranking...)
You and I are making the same point, Remy. I'm saying that they don't schedule better teams because they have so many games close to them. I agree with you that they are cream puffs. I also agree that without a change, it would seem that Pool A is their only NCAA option (unless they can piggyback Norwich and Babson's SOS to a higher NCAA ranking...)
NU Pastime
New member
Re: The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...
So in other words UMass-Boston is Baylor - A long-time doormat that hasn't updated its scheduling practices from the days when wins were hard to come by, and now that they are competing against traditional national powers, that outdated practice is proving to be counterproductive towards establishing legitimacy.
So in other words UMass-Boston is Baylor - A long-time doormat that hasn't updated its scheduling practices from the days when wins were hard to come by, and now that they are competing against traditional national powers, that outdated practice is proving to be counterproductive towards establishing legitimacy.
Re: The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...
Working to catch up and get the first iteration of my rankings for the other site. I can tell you what is clear. UMB's OWP is pathetic. Their OOWP is pretty good (because all the ECAC E teams they have played have games against NU and Babo, and games against teams that have played teams with a 9-0-1 and 11 - 0 records adds a lot to your OOWP.)
Working to catch up and get the first iteration of my rankings for the other site. I can tell you what is clear. UMB's OWP is pathetic. Their OOWP is pretty good (because all the ECAC E teams they have played have games against NU and Babo, and games against teams that have played teams with a 9-0-1 and 11 - 0 records adds a lot to your OOWP.)
Re: The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...
And, IIRC, SoS is 2/3 OOWP and 1/3 OWP.
Re: The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...
KRACH as of Early Thurs AM:
14 Hobart 295.8 .7242 16t 8-4-0 0.6667 2.000 15 156.6
15 Neumann 290.6 .7211 16t 7-3-2 0.6667 2.000 18 153.9
16 Nazareth 267.4 .7059 33t 5-5-3 0.5000 1.000 1 267.4
17 Utica 232.1 .6791 32 6-5-3 0.5357 1.154 5 203.1
18 Elmira 229.5 .6769 27t 5-4-2 0.5455 1.200 6 194.2
verrrrrry interesting......
KRACH as of Early Thurs AM:
14 Hobart 295.8 .7242 16t 8-4-0 0.6667 2.000 15 156.6
15 Neumann 290.6 .7211 16t 7-3-2 0.6667 2.000 18 153.9
16 Nazareth 267.4 .7059 33t 5-5-3 0.5000 1.000 1 267.4
17 Utica 232.1 .6791 32 6-5-3 0.5357 1.154 5 203.1
18 Elmira 229.5 .6769 27t 5-4-2 0.5455 1.200 6 194.2
verrrrrry interesting......
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
Re: The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...
After 1/6 I'd move Amherst up to the 2nd tier and move Plattsburgh up to the first.
After 1/6 I'd move Amherst up to the 2nd tier and move Plattsburgh up to the first.
Re: The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...
After Sundae - based on my computer rankings.
1. Trinity, Oswego, Norwich, Plattsburgh, River Falls
6. Amherst, St. Norbert, Stevens Point, Babson, Adrian
11. Eau-Claire, Mass-Boston, Williams, St. Thomas, Utica
Does not count games vs. D-II or games vs. Aurora or Daniel Webster. Does count Canton
After Sundae - based on my computer rankings.
1. Trinity, Oswego, Norwich, Plattsburgh, River Falls
6. Amherst, St. Norbert, Stevens Point, Babson, Adrian
11. Eau-Claire, Mass-Boston, Williams, St. Thomas, Utica
Does not count games vs. D-II or games vs. Aurora or Daniel Webster. Does count Canton
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norm1909
Larry Normandin
Re: The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...
I've had my head-to-head issues with George Roll in the past, but I have decided to let it go at last, Kudos to George and the Nazareth Golden Flyers for being at the top of the ECAC Men's West at this point in the season.
I've had my head-to-head issues with George Roll in the past, but I have decided to let it go at last, Kudos to George and the Nazareth Golden Flyers for being at the top of the ECAC Men's West at this point in the season.