The Patty Kazmaier Memorial Award

[D2D]

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FWIW, I think they're both terrific, and any other team would love to have either. But Ramsey does lead statistically.

Ramsey: 31 points, +40, 14 PIM
McMillen: 25 points, +20, 20 PIM

 

[ARM]

Re: The Patty Kazmaier Memorial Award

FWIW, I think they're both terrific, and any other team would love to have either. But Ramsey does lead statistically.

Ramsey: 31 points, +40, 14 PIM
McMillen: 25 points, +20, 20 PIM

The McMillen penalty numbers are off; should be 22 penalties for 55 minutes, while Ramsey has 14 penalties for 28 minutes.

 

[Eeyore]

Re: The Patty Kazmaier Memorial Award

FWIW, I think they're both terrific, and any other team would love to have either. But Ramsey does lead statistically.

Ramsey: 31 points, +40, 14 PIM
McMillen: 25 points, +20, 20 PIM

Sure, but to me, neither of them is the best defenseman on the team. That's Stecklein.

 

[TicTacToe]

for real? we need to talk

I don't know what you are thinking but, I know all the of these you young ladies, all are exceptional and all are great ambassadors of the sport! But, my vote would have been hands down for Lundberg, that kid played 4 years at a real losing program and ended her career like a real champion. Going into every game knowing that if you give up more than 1 goal you're done has got to be some kind of pressure that and all the records she set both at her school and the NCAA all I can say is my hats off to her!!

 

[FiveHoleFrenzy]

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But that's you, somebody who still hasn't gotten over the fact that Amanda Kessel didn't always score on breakaways. Which Minnesota defenseman is the "best" often comes down to styles and what one likes. Stecklein is the steadiest defensively and the strongest on the puck. McMillen has a ton of ability and can make plays that few others can, but she has the biggest variance from her ceiling to her floor. Ramsey is very good at rushing the puck w/o turning it over, and sees the ice like the Brandts and Panneks of the world, particularly in the O-zone. At the rate she's improving, Baldwin could wind up being the best by the time she is done.

I started reading your last sentence and was getting my hopes up for some hype worthy of a BC fan. I should have known better.

 

[Timothy A]

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Amsley-Benzie has played out of her mind since Christmas, but you have to feel for Hensley and Lundberg.

Desbiens I think is more deserving than A-B. She's played in 6 more games, has 4 more shutouts, and a slightly better gaa. A-B has a better save %. I think the biggest kicker is the games played, the body of work is more substantial. Not that it matters, Carpenter is going to win.

 

[ARM]

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Desbiens I think is more deserving than A-B. She's played in 6 more games, has 4 more shutouts, and a slightly better gaa. A-B has a better save %. I think the biggest kicker is the games played, the body of work is more substantial.

Amsley-Benzie would have a bigger shot at winning if she hadn't been stuck in a rotation early. Once they went to her alone, North Dakota has been a top team and she's been the country's most effective goalie. Wisconsin goaltenders aren't asked to save the game that many times. To be sure, they have to be ready when those plays arrive, but there won't be that many of them. The only common opponent I watched them against was Minnesota, and IMO, A-B clearly played better overall in those games. Desbiens had a stretch in the fall where she seemed a little off and was giving up some goals that weren't exactly weak, but it was a surprise when they went in. I think you even posted as much back then. A-B has been very steady, playing behind a team that wasn't particularly strong for much of the season, and now that they are hot, it is due in large part to her.

Plus, one of the criteria is academic performance, and let's just say that A-B has done as well as anyone in that regard.

 

[DC78-82]

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The funny thing is that I don't think Ramsey is the best defenseman on her team and possibly not even the second best.

The Patty Kazmaier Award is about more than just performance on the ice. Not to take away from the off-ice, humanitarian contributions of anyone not on the list, just a reminder that it's not just a game performance award.

 

[pokechecker]

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Amsley-Benzie would have a bigger shot at winning if she hadn't been stuck in a rotation early. Once they went to her alone, North Dakota has been a top team and she's been the country's most effective goalie. Wisconsin goaltenders aren't asked to save the game that many times. To be sure, they have to be ready when those plays arrive, but there won't be that many of them. The only common opponent I watched them against was Minnesota, and IMO, A-B clearly played better overall in those games. Desbiens had a stretch in the fall where she seemed a little off and was giving up some goals that weren't exactly weak, but it was a surprise when they went in. I think you even posted as much back then. A-B has been very steady, playing behind a team that wasn't particularly strong for much of the season, and now that they are hot, it is due in large part to her.

Plus, one of the criteria is academic performance, and let's just say that A-B has done as well as anyone in that regard.

or it might be that UND is doing a better job of managing their goalies, 2 of the last 3 years over the last half of the season I'd say Amsley-Benzie has been the best goalie in college, and last year was right up there too.

as for Desbians, considering the MN/WI results, I'd have to say Leveille has the edge over her, and Mowat as well
it is somewhat splitting hairs though, they are all good

 

[pokechecker]

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Sure, but to me, neither of them is the best defenseman on the team. That's Stecklein.

everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I think ARM nailed it, especially the last statement

Which Minnesota defenseman is the "best" often comes down to styles and what one likes. Stecklein is the steadiest defensively and the strongest on the puck. McMillen has a ton of ability and can make plays that few others can, but she has the biggest variance from her ceiling to her floor. Ramsey is very good at rushing the puck and passing out of the zone. At the rate she's improving, Baldwin could wind up being the best by the time she is done.

it's fun to watch Stecklein play keep-away from the opponent chasing her in the Gopher zone
maybe it has only happened at home games, but McMillen hasn't seemed to shoot much this year from the blueline

 

[ARM]

maybe it has only happened at home games, but McMillen hasn't seemed to shoot much this year from the blueline

I think a part of that is they have used her low on the backdoor on the PP. Last year, 13 and 5 ran the two PP units from the top, but with the return of Lee, she is on top for the second unit.

 

[pokechecker]

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I think a part of that is they have used her low on the backdoor on the PP. Last year, 13 and 5 ran the two PP units from the top, but with the return of Lee, she is on top for the second unit.

I understand that, and agree their positions on the PP make a lot of sense
but at even strength, she has not shot much from the blueline, at least at home games
again, that may be because of the other blueliners

but when you need a goal
granted it may end up 20 feet over the net
but it's just as likely to end up in the net as anyone, probably more so

last year in the championship game when time was running out, I was hoping to see her get a shot
can't think of anyone I'd like more to see take a shot in that situation

IMO she had a great year last year
but this year it is disappointing that they haven't gotten more out of her, not that she's had a bad year
just that I think there is so much more there

given it's tough to stand out from the other team mates
it's nice one of the Gopher D got a nomination
there just isn't room for more than one

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

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I feel like pokechecker's posts lately would go well to music

 

[Eeyore]

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I feel like pokechecker's posts lately would go well to music

Indeed.

 

[KTDC]

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I understand that, and agree their positions on the PP make a lot of sense
but at even strength, she has not shot much from the blueline, at least at home games
again, that may be because of the other blueliners

but when you need a goal
granted it may end up 20 feet over the net
but it's just as likely to end up in the net as anyone, probably more so

last year in the championship game when time was running out, I was hoping to see her get a shot
can't think of anyone I'd like more to see take a shot in that situation

IMO she had a great year last year
but this year it is disappointing that they haven't gotten more out of her, not that she's had a bad year
just that I think there is so much more there

given it's tough to stand out from the other team mates
it's nice one of the Gopher D got a nomination
there just isn't room for more than one

Last year's goal to beat St Cloud at 18:51 for 61 wins in a row was a spectacular play.

Her top end is pretty darn 'top'.

 

[pokechecker]

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Last year's goal to beat St Cloud at 18:51 for 61 wins in a row was a spectacular play.

Her top end is pretty darn 'top'.

also had the game winner vs. Badgers in the first game at Ridder last year, one of the greatest women's game ever
and nearly had the tying goal in the loss to UND that ended the streak, missed the right corner

the downside to her shot is that not much opportunity for a tip by a forward, or even a rebound, just get the H out of the way and look for the puck coming off the glass

or in the net

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

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Final 3 was announced:

1) Alex Carpenter, BC (will win)
2) Hannah Brandt, UM (obviously deserving, clearly won the race for 2nd place I described earlier in this thread), and
3) Marie-Philip Poulin, BU (????????????????????????)

 

[ne7minder]

Re: The Patty Kazmaier Memorial Award

Final 3 was announced:

1) Alex Carpenter, BC (will win)
2) Hannah Brandt, UM (obviously deserving, clearly won the race for 2nd place I described earlier in this thread), and
3) Marie-Philip Poulin, BU (????????????????????????)

Nah, they gave it to a player from out East last year (Rattray from Clarkson) so that makes Brandt a lock!

 

[ne7minder]

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Indeed.

Ah yes, I'll never forget that song, it was playing the first time I made love.

 

[Shotblocker]

The Patty Kazmaier Award is about more than just performance on the ice. Not to take away from the off-ice, humanitarian contributions of anyone not on the list, just a reminder that it's not just a game performance award.

USA Hockey has forgot all about what the award was ALL about "the best All around player,athlete,citizen" like the 18s, 22s & National Team, they get a lot right and a lot wrong! Politics are ALWAYS A HUGE FACTOR