The Patty Kazmaier Memorial Award

[TonyTheTiger20]

Re: The Patty Kazmaier Memorial Award

I am sorry I just had to chime in here.

Wow. Where to begin with this.

Cracks me how some get caught up in the moment. None of you have ever mentioned Poulin, Brandt, Picard, Saulnier, Coyne, MacAuley or Hensley.

That's because 1) the thread is like 12 hours old, and 2) none of those players are the top player in Division I women's ice hockey, with the possible exception of Brandt, who *was* mentioned.

Also, PICARD??

From what I read, the award is NOT about [a] how many points you can get behind a stacked team, what your last name is, [c] how much press you get or [d] where you (or were not) born !

Literally zero (0) people in this thread have said, implied, or believe that , [c], or [d] have anything to do with the Kaz. However, while [a] is not in and of itself "what the award is about," it is nonetheless pretty damn good quantitative evidence that can be used to help determine who the top player in Division I women's ice hockey is.

I read things like clutch player, love of the game, individual and team skills, competitiveness & love of hockey.

I will give it to you on this one. The top players in any sport routinely are not clutch, are not competitive in the least, and hate the game they play. Hate it. This is well known.

NOTHING about it being a popularity contest.

Please find one person in this thread who thinks this is about it being a popularity contest. In fact the bulk of this thread has been about which under-appreciated players from lesser teams should get some love in the voting -- a totally valid argument to be made. Which honestly might even be your point, I can't really tell.

How did you get "popularity contest" out of that?

I am not saying who should win or who should not win. I am just saying that the fact that NONE of these ladies were even mentioned shows me it is turning into a popularity contest.

I literally have no idea what this means.

A criteria, I would guess, was never entered into the origin of this honorary award.

Post #1 of this thread outlines the very clear criteria for which the Kaz is awarded. The post is actually labelled "The selection criteria"

Women's hockey has grown exponentially in the past several years. Lets let our minds grow as well.

Yeah man, like, dude, we should, like, EXPAND OUR MINDS! Start a team in Colorado while we're at it.

This is ridiculous. The award is about the top player in the sport. Not everyone gets to be the top player in the sport and very few are even worthy of consideration.

Lets not get caught up in archaic female bantering of Miss Popularity.

THIS IS NOT A THING

Lets try to be the athletically intelligent people that all of these wonderful ladies deserve. Good Luck to ALL. I personally would like to thank all of these ladies and many more for bringing women's athleticism to another level. You are all pioneers and winners in my book.

That's adorable. There are lots of very good players. But this is a thread for discussion about who wins the award for the top player in women's hockey. If you want to create an award for "all these ladies and many more who are all winners in my book" then you might want to start a new thread.

 

[YabaDabaDoo]

Well stated,
I started this thread for that very purpose. Anytime I see something administered by USA Hockey I get a little nervous. But it's not just the Kaz! Almost all the recognition awards albeit, weekly, monthly and All American "1st & 2nd team" selections seem to go to that great athlete on that great team "not always, but most of the time" and as I perused the lists and read the justifications I felt that they fit a larger cross section. I would like to see consideration given role reversal, example, 10 shutouts, a great feat yes but what about the defense that kept 5 of those to single digit save games? Is there any starting goalie in D1
That wouldn't have 5 shutouts then? We'll never know but I think so.
It's easy to look at the numbers and make a call and sometime it would seem that is the process.

I am sorry I just had to chime in here. Cracks me how some get caught up in the moment. None of you have ever mentioned Poulin, Brandt, Picard, Saulnier, Coyne, MacAuley or Hensley. From what I read, the award is NOT about how many points you can get behind a stacked team, what your last name is, how much press you get or where you (or were not) born ! I read things like clutch player, love of the game, individual and team skills, competitiveness & love of hockey. NOTHING about it being a popularity contest. I am not saying who should win or who should not win. I am just saying that the fact that NONE of these ladies were even mentioned shows me it is turning into a popularity contest. A criteria, I would guess, was never entered into the origin of this honorary award. Women's hockey has grown exponentially in the past several years. Lets let our minds grow as well. Lets not get caught up in archaic female bantering of Miss Popularity. Lets try to be the athletically intelligent people that all of these wonderful ladies deserve. Good Luck to ALL. I personally would like to thank all of these ladies and many more for bringing women's athleticism to another level. You are all pioneers and winners in my book.

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

Re: The Patty Kazmaier Memorial Award

If the season ended right now Alex Carpenter would win the award in a runaway because she best fits the award criteria. So, I totally appreciate the appeal of discussing under-appreciated players who should be included in the battle for 2nd place.

 

[brookyone]

Re: The Patty Kazmaier Memorial Award

Carpenter.

It's a battle for 2nd place.

Wrong.

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

Wrong.

I respectfully disagree.

 

[brookyone]

Re: The Patty Kazmaier Memorial Award

I respectfully disagree.

Not a whole lot of respect in declaring a winner well before the first half concludes. As I see it anyway.

 

[ARM]

Re: The Patty Kazmaier Memorial Award

If the season ended right now Alex Carpenter would win the award in a runaway because she best fits the award criteria.

The "runaway" part kind of undermines any creditability that we may otherwise "grant" you. In terms of on-ice performance, both Alex Carpenter and Hannah Brandt have strengths that one can tout. Carpenter has the better scoring average. Brandt has played against more tough defenses and has the same number of points. Carpenter has led her team to an undefeated season by blowing away opponents early in most games. Brandt's team has lost once, being shut out for the only time in her three years -- and it was the only game in that time that she has missed. Brandt has better production at crunch time, but you can't really fault Carpenter, because she has so seldom had games get to a crunch time. Carpenter bears a bigger leadership role overall. Brandt is the second-most (or third-most, depending on how we categorize Amanda Kessel) productive active player (203 points), trailing only Brianne Jenner (206 points); that's pretty impressive as a junior. Both are centers who have great faceoff numbers. Things like "love of the game" or "ambassador of the sport" are a wash, because both are top notch in that regard. Two excellent choices. Only a tool would be dismissive of either.

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

Re: The Patty Kazmaier Memorial Award

Oh for Christ's sake you guys... I'm a fan being overly confident about my team's player.

I'm sorry you thought I disrespected Brandt.

 

[vicb]

Re: The Patty Kazmaier Memorial Award

......

I'm sorry you thought I disrespected Brandt.

You did and you should be very sorry young man. Now go to your room and stay off your computer for 1 hour.

 

[ARM]

Re: The Patty Kazmaier Memorial Award

Now go to your room and stay off your computer for 1 hour.

These days, you have to include all electronics if you want an hour of peace.

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

Re: The Patty Kazmaier Memorial Award

I have to say, my Brandt-Cameranesi tag team has been killer for our second half fantasy league.

 

[ARM]

Re: The Patty Kazmaier Memorial Award

I have to say, my Brandt-Cameranesi tag team has been killer for our second half fantasy league.

Is Pannek still available? She doesn't have Brandt's overall game, but she has the same knack for putting a pass just when and where it needs to be.

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

Is Pannek still available? She doesn't have Brandt's overall game, but she has the same knack for putting a pass just when and where it needs to be.

Nope she was snapped up a long time ago. I'll have to show you the rosters when I get to my computer.

 

[Hux]

Re: The Patty Kazmaier Memorial Award

Top Ten named.


2015 Patty Kazmaier Award Top-10 Finalists

Shelby Amsley-Benzie ......University of North Dakota ......G .........Junior (redshirt)
Hannah Brandt ................University of Minnesota ..........F .........Junior
Dani Cameranesi ..............University of Minnesota ..........F .........Sophomore
Alex Carpenter ................Boston College ......................F .........Junior
Kendall Coyne .................Northeastern University ..........F .........Junior
Brianne Jenner ................Cornell University ..................F ..........Senior
Emily Pfalzer ...................Boston College .....................D ..........Senior
Marie-Philip Poulin ............Boston University .................F ..........Senior
Rachel Ramsey ................University of Minnesota .........D ..........Senior
Haley Skarupa .................Boston College .....................F .........Junior

 

[Ted Knight]

Re: The Patty Kazmaier Memorial Award

Top Ten named.


2015 Patty Kazmaier Award Top-10 Finalists

Shelby Amsley-Benzie ......University of North Dakota ......G .........Junior (redshirt)
Hannah Brandt ................University of Minnesota ..........F .........Junior
Dani Cameranesi ..............University of Minnesota ..........F .........Sophomore
Alex Carpenter ................Boston College ......................F .........Junior
Kendall Coyne .................Northeastern University ..........F .........Junior
Brianne Jenner ................Cornell University ..................F ..........Senior
Emily Pfalzer ...................Boston College .....................D ..........Senior
Marie-Philip Poulin ............Boston University .................F ..........Senior
Rachel Ramsey ................University of Minnesota .........D ..........Senior
Haley Skarupa .................Boston College .....................F .........Junior

what a team that would be

 

[KTDC]

Re: The Patty Kazmaier Memorial Award

Top Ten named.


2015 Patty Kazmaier Award Top-10 Finalists

Shelby Amsley-Benzie ......University of North Dakota ......G .........Junior (redshirt)
Hannah Brandt ................University of Minnesota ..........F .........Junior
Dani Cameranesi ..............University of Minnesota ..........F .........Sophomore
Alex Carpenter ................Boston College ......................F .........Junior
Kendall Coyne .................Northeastern University ..........F .........Junior
Brianne Jenner ................Cornell University ..................F ..........Senior
Emily Pfalzer ...................Boston College .....................D ..........Senior
Marie-Philip Poulin ............Boston University .................F ..........Senior
Rachel Ramsey ................University of Minnesota .........D ..........Senior
Haley Skarupa .................Boston College .....................F .........Junior

what a team that would be

With lots of players returning next year

 

[wwhyte]

Re: The Patty Kazmaier Memorial Award

Amsley-Benzie has played out of her mind since Christmas, but you have to feel for Hensley and Lundberg.

 

[Ted Knight]

Re: The Patty Kazmaier Memorial Award

Amsley-Benzie has played out of her mind since Christmas, but you have to feel for Hensley and Lundberg.

for real? we need to talk

 

[Eeyore]

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The funny thing is that I don't think Ramsey is the best defenseman on her team and possibly not even the second best.

 

[ARM]

Re: The Patty Kazmaier Memorial Award

The funny thing is that I don't think Ramsey is the best defenseman on her team and possibly not even the second best.

But that's you, somebody who still hasn't gotten over the fact that Amanda Kessel didn't always score on breakaways. Which Minnesota defenseman is the "best" often comes down to styles and what one likes. Stecklein is the steadiest defensively and the strongest on the puck. McMillen has a ton of ability and can make plays that few others can, but she has the biggest variance from her ceiling to her floor. Ramsey is very good at rushing the puck w/o turning it over, and sees the ice like the Brandts and Panneks of the world, particularly in the O-zone. At the rate she's improving, Baldwin could wind up being the best by the time she is done.