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The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

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slowe said:
Travel subsidy is an issue that concerns me on behalf of Huntsville. I wonder if Huntsville has one proposal with travel subsidy and one without. Based on the previously linked article, they have a mock 10 member schedule which demonstrates that total travel cost wouldn't be so bad (reducing Alaska trips). I hope they can demonstrate the cost effectiveness quite clearly though. I could see nWCHA requesting (or extorting) Huntsville to include it regardless, since well all know who has the leverage here.
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We'd be idiots to make a proposal that didn't involve a travel subsidy. We're not idiots. This town put a man on the moon. :)

GFM <-- has not seen the proposal, but does know that there's a subsidy.
 
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gfmorris said:
We'd be idiots to make a proposal that didn't involve a travel subsidy. We're not idiots. This town put a man on the moon. :)

GFM <-- has not seen the proposal, but does know that there's a subsidy.
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This article, posted earlier in the thread today, quotes Chargers' Athletic Director E. J. Brophy as saying there will be, specifically:

http://miningjournal.net/page/conte...uss-travel-subsidy-with-members.html?nav=5010

Chargers' Athletic Director E. J. Brophy believes Karr, Haynes and the rest of the league will like what UAH President Robery Altenkirch has to say on that subject (about travel subsidies).

"I'm not going to go into detail right now," Brophy said by phone from Huntsville on Monday. "I'll only say our president will be addressing that Thursday and the people sitting in that room will be very happy with what he has to say."
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From where I sit, this sounds like the issue is going to become a moot point, based on that quote.
 
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manurespreader said:
The cost of a ticket from Marquette to Huntsville is 1700 dollars with a stop in Detroit. Let's say you can get it down to 1500. that's still a lot. For 29 people it's 43,500. For a charter it's 3.6 hours and costs 14,500 round trip, very roughly,But if you are from Anchorage, it's two stops, and about 800 dollars round trip, but it takes a really long time.
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Actually, that ticket is $465 from MQT to HSV right now (http://www.delta.com/booking/retrie...UIStatus=P&flexSearch=on&ts=1358346025740#top), booking three weeks out. I've checked it a few times this year, and it's ranged from the high 600's to where it is now. My understanding is that Huntsville and the Alaskas would just take care of their own travel when playing each other. The new subsidies for the Alaska schools to the rest of the new WCHA are likely to be payments to the other schools based upon the cost of the trip to Fairbanks or Anchorage vs. the cost of an average trip. Teams will make their own arrangements, hotel accommodations, etc.

As for the comment about "extorting" Huntsville, that's hardly the case. A trip to Huntsville is far more expensive than a trip to Big Rapids from Marquette, or to Bemidji from Houghton. Same as with the Alaska schools, None of these schools has the extra room in the budget.

I'm hoping UAH's proposal has enough to convince at least 7 schools to vote for them.
 
davyd83 said:
I'm hoping UAH's proposal has enough to convince at least 7 schools to vote for them.
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Well, if the Alaska's see it as a wash, you're left with seven schools to get five votes from. Not saying they're automatic yeses though.
 
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aparch said:
Well, if the Alaska's see it as a wash, you're left with seven schools to get five votes from. Not saying they're automatic yeses though.
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It's hard to gauge the level of support. I think there are those who are hoping that the Huntsville proposal meets the needs for a yes vote. But since none of the Presidents or ADs hadn't seen the actual proposal, there is no way of know if it's a yea or a nay for them.
 
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In terms of similarities in terms of research and academic programs, UAH would definitely be more of a like-minded institution to Michigan Tech.
 
Re: The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

For those looking for updates, the NCAA is utilizing #NCAAconv on Twitter when posting. Hopefully a few Twitter savvy people are in on the hockey meetings.
 
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Flashy Man said:
In terms of similarities in terms of research and academic programs, UAH would definitely be more of a like-minded institution to Michigan Tech.
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The whole "like minded" and academic things are nothing more than window dressing. There are only two real concerns. Dollars and cents. If the proposal doesn't work financially for at least three members, it doesn't pass, no matter how "like minded," they may be. Take a look at all the football conference realignment. How "like minded" are Rutgers and Minnesota? How about Maryland and Iowa? Was Rutgers key point for Big Ten admission its like mindedness, or is it that they deliver the New York market to the Big Ten Network. They could be exactly the same minded, but if they sat in Huntington, WVa, would they have gotten invited?
 
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If you heard the uscho radio show last night, gwoz was his BS artist best self, saying, "oh they'll be fine" and blah de blah. If you ask me the national should be called the regional. But whatever, I hope Hunstville get in. I think it's a net benefit, But I don't see them playing 500 hockey within two years.
 
Re: The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

Did you expect less from Gwoz? His school helped orchestrate the whole NCHC. Making a nice new conference left the 'old, established conference open for expansion.'

Gwoz just hopes you don't mind him dripping blood on your carpet because he can't wash his hands of UAH, and the "non-like-minded" schools (read: Anchorage, Houghton, Bemidji) fast enough.
 
Re: The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

All quiet on the Western (Collegiate Hockey Conference meeting) front. Apparently none of the AD's or members in the meeting have Twitter downloaded on their smart phones.
 
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Posting from mobile, so I can't copy and paste easily. Matt Wellens tweeted that UAH makes their proposal this morning. Presidents to discuss their proposal in afternoon/evening. A formal decision could be made at a later date to give time for Univ reps to digest UAH proposal and decide if best for their schools.

So don't expect a quick answer tonight. Ugh.

Also oon the docket is the approval of Championship location(s).
 
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UAH has got my vote to join the nWCHA (not that it means anything in an official sense). :)
 
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If this whole UAH in or out debate is really about money and making at most one trip a year down there (and you won't have to every year) there really isn't any debate to be had. Even if the cost of the trip is $10,000, that might be a lot of money for Joe Blow on the street but for a D-I hockey program?? If you can't find an extra $10k for your travel budget, maybe you shouldn't be in D-I hockey? I think the value of putting the WCHA in another market/region alone is worth whatever the cost would be of getting down there for a couple games. We (fans) have been hashing and reshashing this debate for months, but it seems that all we talk about is dollars. I hope the people actually "in the room" are looking at the bigger picture. There are plenty of ways to make/save money (many have been suggested here), but there are items that the addition of UAH to the WCHA will bring that you can't put a price on...
Ryan J
 
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beaverhockeyfan said:
Doing something for the good of college hockey, unlike the Big Ten or the NCHC. :D
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The addition of UAH would be good for UAH in the short term for sure. However, all the doomsayers think the nWCHA teams will all fold within x number of years due to having no big name schools. So is it really for the good of college hockey? :p

On a serious note, I really did want to hear what intangible things UAH brings to the table for the nWCHA that don't relate to the travel cost issue.
 
JohnsonsJerseys said:
Even if the cost of the trip is $10,000, that might be a lot of money for Joe Blow on the street but for a D-I hockey program?? If you can't find an extra $10k for your travel budget, maybe you shouldn't be in D-I hockey?
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Double check that there aren't any glass windows behind you (your University) before you start throwing rocks (budget concerns) around...
 
Re: The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

Budget concerns are a very real issue for the Misfit Toys. There is very little question that total attendance is going to be down significantly, and some schools were barely getting by as it was. MSU is already discussing what to do about ticket pricing for next year, under the concern that people aren't going to be as willing to pay for a game against LSSU or Ferris as they were for one against Minnesota, North Dakota, or Wisconsin.
 
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